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alterfurz

(2,469 posts)
Sun Sep 13, 2020, 11:29 AM Sep 2020

New England Journal of Medicine: Face masks may be helping to provide immunity

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/face-masks-could-giving-people-covid-19-immunity-researchers

Face masks may be inadvertently giving people Covid-19 immunity and making them get less sick from the virus, academics have suggested in one of the most respected medical journals in the world.

The commentary, published in the New England Journal of Medicine, advances the unproven but promising theory that universal face mask wearing might be helping to reduce the severity of the virus and ensuring that a greater proportion of new infections are asymptomatic.

If this hypothesis is borne out, the academics argue, then universal mask-wearing could become a form of variolation (inoculation) that would generate immunity and “thereby slow the spread of the virus in the United States and elsewhere” as the world awaits a vaccine.

It comes as increasing evidence suggests that the amount of virus someone is exposed to at the start of infection - the “infectious dose” - may determine the severity of their illness. Indeed, a large study published in the Lancet last month found that “viral load at diagnosis” was an “independent predictor of mortality” in hospital patients.

Wearing masks could therefore reduce the infectious dose that the wearer is exposed to and, subsequently, the impact of the disease, as masks filter out some virus-containing droplets.
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New England Journal of Medicine: Face masks may be helping to provide immunity (Original Post) alterfurz Sep 2020 OP
This is not the time for such irrational concepts. FarPoint Sep 2020 #1
How does this not? n/t rzemanfl Sep 2020 #2
Masks are the standard precautions. LisaL Sep 2020 #5
Yes... Yes mask is protocol... FarPoint Sep 2020 #13
It's far from irrational. gulliver Sep 2020 #8
I understand the concept...sure... FarPoint Sep 2020 #15
Another time ...I say. FarPoint Sep 2020 #18
But, This Is The Opposite ProfessorGAC Sep 2020 #20
Can't go wrong complying with precautions. gulliver Sep 2020 #21
Masks are among the standard precautions and protocols Bettie Sep 2020 #17
I would hazard the irrational concept... LanternWaste Sep 2020 #22
Glad to see this view getting some traction. Mme. Defarge Sep 2020 #3
My wife taught school for decades, and never caught colds, the flu, etc. empedocles Sep 2020 #6
+1 Hugin Sep 2020 #7
Face masks are an important part of the way we approach covid19. CaliforniaPeggy Sep 2020 #4
face masks stop or even slow the spread gristy Sep 2020 #9
The only triad we have right now is distancing, staying home, and masks over the pie hole. Hugin Sep 2020 #11
Exactly.... FarPoint Sep 2020 #16
Read this a few days ago. Igel Sep 2020 #10
Commentary - not peer reviewed science jpak Sep 2020 #12
Very, very good point. FarPoint Sep 2020 #19
Proven or unproven, it's a good argument to wear your damn mask Buckeyeblue Sep 2020 #14
to keep track of it n/t w0nderer Sep 2020 #23
We can get rid of this virus without a vaccine Yavin4 Sep 2020 #24
Fantastic point! phylny Sep 2020 #25
Too much traveling between countries. scipan Sep 2020 #26

FarPoint

(12,287 posts)
1. This is not the time for such irrational concepts.
Sun Sep 13, 2020, 11:39 AM
Sep 2020

Focus on the standard COVID-19 precautions and protocols....

LisaL

(44,972 posts)
5. Masks are the standard precautions.
Sun Sep 13, 2020, 11:46 AM
Sep 2020

We don't have a vaccine or a cure.
So what you got is a mask.

FarPoint

(12,287 posts)
13. Yes... Yes mask is protocol...
Sun Sep 13, 2020, 12:31 PM
Sep 2020

I just don't want people say.. reusing a mask without changing, washing etc for example...plus if it help fine but such discussion and beliefs can take one off the Protocols and risk clinical consequences....Just keep it simple essentially.

gulliver

(13,168 posts)
8. It's far from irrational.
Sun Sep 13, 2020, 12:01 PM
Sep 2020

Let's say you have a fifteen-minute conversation with a COVID patient without a mask. You inhale, say, fifteen million viral particles spread evenly throughout your lungs and sinuses. How long would it have taken to reach fifteen million particles if you had only inhaled, say, a few thousand, because you wore a mask and they did too? That time is extra time for your immune system to respond.

FarPoint

(12,287 posts)
15. I understand the concept...sure...
Sun Sep 13, 2020, 12:42 PM
Sep 2020

Maybe public discussion at this time is a risk as we already have tRumpsters non compliance to deal with and too much variable speculation could become more confusing....

FarPoint

(12,287 posts)
18. Another time ...I say.
Sun Sep 13, 2020, 01:03 PM
Sep 2020

It's entertaining discuss but compliance with COVID-19 precautions remains my simple focus...that's all I'm saying. .

ProfessorGAC

(64,852 posts)
20. But, This Is The Opposite
Sun Sep 13, 2020, 01:21 PM
Sep 2020

News like this isn't going to dissuade people already cooperating.
It's giving them another reason TO wear a mask, not to quit wearing one.
Because now, there's more evidence that the mask protects the wearer, not just others.
That adds to the reasons to cooperate.

gulliver

(13,168 posts)
21. Can't go wrong complying with precautions.
Sun Sep 13, 2020, 01:22 PM
Sep 2020

This new information, if borne out, simply makes it clearer and clearer that those precautions were correct.

Bettie

(16,071 posts)
17. Masks are among the standard precautions and protocols
Sun Sep 13, 2020, 12:44 PM
Sep 2020

this simply points out a possible additional benefit of masks.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
22. I would hazard the irrational concept...
Sun Sep 13, 2020, 01:41 PM
Sep 2020

is the immediate rejection and denial of a peer reviewed hypothesis.

"Focus on the standard COVID-19 precautions and protocols...."
The allowance of one does not imply the denial of another. That is also irrational.

Seems you're creating a pattern here.

Mme. Defarge

(8,012 posts)
3. Glad to see this view getting some traction.
Sun Sep 13, 2020, 11:45 AM
Sep 2020

The L.A. Times had a story on it a few months ago but it didn’t get much attention overall. It makes a considerable difference for me if I have a sound reason to believe that my health and safety is not completely dependent on the behavior of others.

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
6. My wife taught school for decades, and never caught colds, the flu, etc.
Sun Sep 13, 2020, 11:50 AM
Sep 2020

She attributed her good health to being exposed to all sorts of viruses and germs present in the classroom

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,523 posts)
4. Face masks are an important part of the way we approach covid19.
Sun Sep 13, 2020, 11:46 AM
Sep 2020

This simple act needs to be emphasized for the greater benefit of all.

Of course, we need to keep searching for possible ways to stop or even slow the spread. But there is no reason at all to disregard this important tool.

We can chew gum and walk at the same time.

gristy

(10,667 posts)
9. face masks stop or even slow the spread
Sun Sep 13, 2020, 12:06 PM
Sep 2020

We should keep searching for OTHER possible ways to stop or even slow the spread. But I'd be shocked if, except for a vaccine, anything is found to beat a facemask.

Hugin

(33,047 posts)
11. The only triad we have right now is distancing, staying home, and masks over the pie hole.
Sun Sep 13, 2020, 12:11 PM
Sep 2020

A combination of those practices seems to be effective.

Igel

(35,274 posts)
10. Read this a few days ago.
Sun Sep 13, 2020, 12:10 PM
Sep 2020

Not convinced, but open to the possibility.

I honestly think that a fair number of posters didn't even bother to read past the subject line.

FarPoint

(12,287 posts)
19. Very, very good point.
Sun Sep 13, 2020, 01:05 PM
Sep 2020

So, let's continue our reiteration of essential compliance of COVID-19 precautions and Protective Protocols.

Buckeyeblue

(5,499 posts)
14. Proven or unproven, it's a good argument to wear your damn mask
Sun Sep 13, 2020, 12:37 PM
Sep 2020

It makes sense to me that a larger the infectious dose, the higher than chance that you would have a severe infection. I'm going from memory here, but wasn't the same (or a similar) conclusion made with HIV? Maybe the difference was the viral load of the person passing on the virus. But I still see it as a similar conclusion.

Yavin4

(35,421 posts)
24. We can get rid of this virus without a vaccine
Sun Sep 13, 2020, 02:24 PM
Sep 2020

Wearing masks, social distancing, testing, and contact tracing all combined would drive down the infection rate to almost 0. See NY as an example. The virus cannot live unless it's in a host. Take away that host, and the virus dies.

If we had been taking basic social measures from the start, again see NY as an example, we would have this thing under control and life would be returning to normal.

scipan

(2,337 posts)
26. Too much traveling between countries.
Sun Sep 13, 2020, 05:12 PM
Sep 2020

If you had a real good test, isolate program for all those coming in from other countries, maybe? But I don't see even just the US getting rid of it. We have so many idiots here.

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