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electric_blue68

(14,891 posts)
Sun Sep 13, 2020, 09:30 PM Sep 2020

How I fell in love w the Twin Towers as buildings (before 9-11 fades for this year)

I was in the Art & Architectural division of a College as an Art student. I also loved Architecture from a young age, so I often hung out with those students as well. I watched them being built from not so far away less than about 2 miles at the edge of The East Village.

They were slagged! I wasn't totally fond of them, but I didn't hate them either.
The best joke was "they were the Boxes that the real buildings came in!" Still a pretty funny joke.

So how did this come to pass? It started by me working there in the South Tower (#2) for 49 weeks from Sept '80 through mid-late Aug '81. They were soooo tall! On the Monday I started through that Thurs I got out of my subway train car, and walked southward underground toward the WTC's massive hustling, bustling, and pretty cool Concourse. I went in there, found my building, and took two elevators to the 73rd flr to the Northeast Corner's big office.

I had no trouble going right to the north windows first time on mid-morning break to look outward (what a view!) then down (what a drop!). Still, it took me till that same week's Friday to actually go outside of the subway station on to the street by one of the complex's smaller buildings (#'s 3, 4, 5, 6 + hotel), march halfway across the Plaza to look up - take a deep breath, and then go inside.
It was that unnerving to me at first! In fact the smaller buildings were actually 10 stories high. I had no idea since The Towers we're almost 10x's taller. I thought they were about 4-5 stories.

What made me fall in love over time was how they became canvases for the sky, light, and clouds. They were clad in white marble which would take on the color s of the sky at different times of the day, evening, white, yellow's, orange, light and vivid pinks, blues changing from light to dark, to black silouettes. And greys on the cloudy . The narrow uninterrupted strips of window glass would reflect sky, and clouds. The fact that there were
two of them made then extra special.

Everyday a changing canvas of light, color, and spaciousness!

The fact that there were two them increased this sense of space they "enclosed", and yet it also to me sent that special space beyond it's you boundaries.

Finally one of the most glorious views was looking up at them in just the right way, and time. While I took a bunch of photos over time out the north and east windows from our high perch this other circumstance was amazing.
From a certain area on the ground (in the Plaza) on a very sunny day (?Spring - Summer) facing west, and bit south you would have the the South Tower (#2) to your left, the North Tower (#1) to your right, and you'd be standing at a centered angle between them.

When you gazed upwards like you might do when seeing a big, puffy cloud fairly high in the sky with the sun behind but near an upper edge. How the rays of light would burst out in beams from behind it?!
Well The Towers did something similar. You'd be seeing the cast of shadowed light fron each building from above, and at each side of you. Those parts of the sky were a mid sky blue. While from where you stood and above in between the towers a lighter blue perhaps tinging towards a lighter green because of the sunlight - it could have even "felt" palish yellow the sunlit sky burst between the buildings eastwards to Queens, Brooklyn, and Long Island.

It was majestic! My wonderful, beautiful Twin 💖 Towers!



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How I fell in love w the Twin Towers as buildings (before 9-11 fades for this year) (Original Post) electric_blue68 Sep 2020 OP
I was never a fan - tall, boxy, conformist Dennis Donovan Sep 2020 #1
Why don't you read how I did fall in love with... electric_blue68 Sep 2020 #4
I did read what you wrote Dennis Donovan Sep 2020 #7
Ok 🙂 electric_blue68 Sep 2020 #8
Welcome to DU, fellow architectural fan! Dennis Donovan Sep 2020 #13
TY! electric_blue68 Sep 2020 #18
Sounds amazing MustLoveBeagles Sep 2020 #2
Awww, thanks : ) electric_blue68 Sep 2020 #5
I liked looking at them while walking south on 5th Ave BigmanPigman Sep 2020 #3
I know that view... electric_blue68 Sep 2020 #6
I liked them too steve2470 Sep 2020 #9
Cool! Trying to remember whether... electric_blue68 Sep 2020 #12
maybe it was Hors or Cellar in the Sky, cannot remember... if I had a pic, maybe I could steve2470 Sep 2020 #19
Once I went to Windows of The World... electric_blue68 Sep 2020 #24
They were so absurdly tall BeyondGeography Sep 2020 #10
I understand... electric_blue68 Sep 2020 #14
I like them much more after... LakeVermilion Sep 2020 #11
That was so amazing... electric_blue68 Sep 2020 #15
In 1999 I accepted a position in NYC, moving after my 3 1/2 yr stint in the French Quarter... not_the_one Sep 2020 #16
You saw them like... electric_blue68 Sep 2020 #20
My favorite view was driving down Victory Blvd. toward Bay Street on Staten Island Polybius Sep 2020 #22
That's a cool view... electric_blue68 Sep 2020 #25
Radio Row: A tinkerer's paradise and makerspace, lost to the World Trade Center Klaralven Sep 2020 #17
I can not stand the new design Polybius Sep 2020 #21
I hear you... electric_blue68 Sep 2020 #23
I can't say I loved them, but I didn't hate them either. Straw Man Sep 2020 #26
I can get that... electric_blue68 Sep 2020 #27
I worked directly across the street from the South tower... SeattleVet Sep 2020 #28
Thank you Seattlevet for all your stories... electric_blue68 Sep 2020 #29

electric_blue68

(14,891 posts)
4. Why don't you read how I did fall in love with...
Sun Sep 13, 2020, 09:41 PM
Sep 2020

them, even if you don't agree. 🙂

I like the ESB, love what was supposed to be a mooring mast for zeplins at it's top.

Of those two overall I prefer the Chysler building.

BigmanPigman

(51,590 posts)
3. I liked looking at them while walking south on 5th Ave
Sun Sep 13, 2020, 09:39 PM
Sep 2020

when the two towers were framed by the Wash Sq Arch. The composition of the straight towers inside the arch was my favorite view (I was an art student). I also liked looking straight up while standing at their base...it gave the illusion of it leaning forward against the blue sky.

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
9. I liked them too
Sun Sep 13, 2020, 09:53 PM
Sep 2020

I had lunch with my brother in one of the towers in 1978. The cafe was on the 60th floor (or close to it, do not remember which tower). In 1996 I stayed right down the street from them. That hotel was severely damaged when the Towers went down.

eta: I was wrong. It was an adjacent building that had the severe damage from burning jet fuel.

electric_blue68

(14,891 posts)
12. Cool! Trying to remember whether...
Sun Sep 13, 2020, 10:06 PM
Sep 2020

the ? original hotel, the Vista,, was damanaged in the first attack.
Huh, not sure I knew there was a 60th flr cafe. Probably because I was working half a day in the afternoon, so I had lunch before I arrived.

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
19. maybe it was Hors or Cellar in the Sky, cannot remember... if I had a pic, maybe I could
Mon Sep 14, 2020, 12:02 AM
Sep 2020
Windows on the World, the restaurant on the North Tower's 106th and 107th floors, opened in April 1976. It was developed by restaurateur Joe Baum at a cost of more than $17 million.[109] As well as the main restaurant, two offshoots were located at the top of the North Tower: Hors d'Oeuvrerie (offered a Danish smorgasbord during the day and sushi in the evening) and Cellar in the Sky (a small wine bar).[110]



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center_(1973–2001)#Windows_on_the_World_restaurant

electric_blue68

(14,891 posts)
24. Once I went to Windows of The World...
Mon Sep 14, 2020, 01:10 AM
Sep 2020

with my extended family when my uncle who had moved to Europe for his work was visiting, and he treated us. What fun

And, yes, I was at Cellar in the Sky, too, a few times. Friends, and family.

BeyondGeography

(39,374 posts)
10. They were so absurdly tall
Sun Sep 13, 2020, 09:56 PM
Sep 2020

I studied and worked downtown for many years; my first bank acct was at East River Savings in the south tower—or was it the north...—and I used to kill time during lunch hour at Borders (which was definitely in the north tower).

I couldn’t bear to look up at them up close—it was freaky. But I was very fond of them from a distance. Whenever I came home to NY, whether from the air, one of the river crossings or exiting Newark airport, they were the first thing I looked for. The visual impact of two buildings of that size side-by-side was irresistible to the eye. Plus it was an ideal starting point for the appreciating the totality of the skyline in all of its majesty. I miss them.

electric_blue68

(14,891 posts)
14. I understand...
Sun Sep 13, 2020, 10:17 PM
Sep 2020

it took me a while to be able to walk right to either one of them!

And, thanks! I was trying to remember the name of that book store on Saturday. I loved it, always in there!

I could see them from the GWB going to visit relatives in NJ. Also emerging from tunnel into NJ that's near ?the PA Bus Terminal.

The fact that there were two made it extra special. A focal point for that whole lower area, both NY, and NJ. Almost like a center of a gigantic invisible compass.

electric_blue68

(14,891 posts)
15. That was so amazing...
Sun Sep 13, 2020, 10:21 PM
Sep 2020

Did you ever see the film about it?

Not sure right now whether there was first a documentary, and then years later a fictional version. Hmm, I'm getting a vibe that there were both.

But I remember that - it was magnifique!

 

not_the_one

(2,227 posts)
16. In 1999 I accepted a position in NYC, moving after my 3 1/2 yr stint in the French Quarter...
Sun Sep 13, 2020, 11:00 PM
Sep 2020

My employer had flown me up for the interview, but I could not afford to come back just to rent an apartment. So I had to rent one by phone, sight unseen. You CAN'T really do that for a Manhattan apartment...

So we ended up in Jersey City, on Palisades Avenue. Just down from the apartment there was a small park overlooking the Hudson, with a full, panoramic view of Manhattan.

At that time I didn't have a camera or I would have taken photos. I so wish that I had taken the opportunity. That view of the entirety of Manhattan was absolutely breathtaking, ESPECIALLY at night.

Those two towers stood out like sentinels. They would catch the setting sun's rays and glow, sheathed in gold. Stunning. I had heard how bland and unexceptional they were, but I did not see them that way. They were so hugely overwhelming. By day they often changed colors by the hour, and at night they were towers of diamonds.

By 2000 we had managed to move into Manhattan, so beginning one of my most unexpected dreams come to life. I was at work just across from Central Park when they fell.

The summer before they fell we had to the opportunity to take my sister, who was visiting, out to eat. We couldn't afford Windows on the World, so we went to Wild Blue, the smaller, more affordable (but still quite pricey) alternative. It was one of life's memories that register as really special.

For years after they fell I could not even look towards the lower end of Manhattan. The gaping hole in the skyline was too much to take. I am tearing up right now as I write about it.

The nation changed that day.

electric_blue68

(14,891 posts)
20. You saw them like...
Mon Sep 14, 2020, 12:05 AM
Sep 2020

like I did/do. 🙂


"Those two towers stood out like sentinels. They would catch the setting sun's rays and glow, sheathed in gold. Stunning. I had heard how bland and unexceptional they were, but I did not see them that way. They were so hugely overwhelming. By day they often changed colors by the hour, and at night they were towers of diamonds."


Lovely paragraph! 💖
So true.

Oh I could look but for years I imagined an invisible hand would peel the sky back from East to West and Our Towers would be re-revealed alive and well with all the people returned.

Glad you made it Mahattan.

Polybius

(15,404 posts)
22. My favorite view was driving down Victory Blvd. toward Bay Street on Staten Island
Mon Sep 14, 2020, 12:23 AM
Sep 2020

Seeing those two beauties always made me feel super happy. Then, seeing the empty space and what eventually replaced them made me cry every time. I will never forgive George Pataki and Mike Bloomberg for supporting a new design. We should have built them to look exactly like they looked like before, only stronger inside.

electric_blue68

(14,891 posts)
25. That's a cool view...
Mon Sep 14, 2020, 01:24 AM
Sep 2020

.. looking northward from Victory Blvd. Yeah, you couldn't help but see the absence once they were gone from your vantage point.

I could only in one spot along Flatbush Ave just about see the top 10 floors past the multitude of Manhattan then relarively closer downtown Brooklyn, and closer neighborhood buildings. So I didn't really see the absence from my then home. I however spent a lot time in lower Manhattan, and along the Esplanade, and Plaza of the WFC/Brookfield Pl where it was very obvious.

 

Klaralven

(7,510 posts)
17. Radio Row: A tinkerer's paradise and makerspace, lost to the World Trade Center
Sun Sep 13, 2020, 11:35 PM
Sep 2020

Before the internet and before television, there was radio broadcasting. The advent of radio at the turn of the 20th century had major repercussions on the reporting of wars along with its impact on popular culture, so it’s not surprising that a business district emerged surrounding the sale and repair of radios in New York City. From 1921 to 1966, a roughly 13-block stretch going north-south from Barclay Street to Liberty Street, and east-west from Church Street to West Street, was a thriving small business stronghold known as Radio Row.

At its peak, more than 300 businesses and over 30,000 employees were located there. Photos and first-person observation all speak to the clutter and home-grown nature of the neighborhood, with The New York Times calling it a “paradise for electronics tinkerers.” Every storefront and shop interior was jam-packed floor to ceiling with parts. Other enterprising businessmen competed by displaying goods on the street. And more than just radios, it was a destination for surplus including sheet metal and brass–basically anything one would need to create something. It was very much a neighborhood-size Makerspace that spilled out into the streets.

https://www.6sqft.com/radio-row-a-tinkerers-paradise-and-makerspace-lost-to-the-world-trade-center/

New York was home to Bell Labs, RCA, and many other tech businesses. About the time that the WTC went up, it all moved to silicon valley.

Polybius

(15,404 posts)
21. I can not stand the new design
Mon Sep 14, 2020, 12:13 AM
Sep 2020

I will forever love the classic, beautiful design of my beloved Twin Towers.

electric_blue68

(14,891 posts)
23. I hear you...
Mon Sep 14, 2020, 01:02 AM
Sep 2020

{hug}

I like it, ok, but I don't love it.

The angles do remind me of quartz crystals which is kind of cool. But the windows are I guess are darkened even as they are reflective - maybe energy saving hopefully.

But the lightness of The Twins is gone. Which I loved.

This wasn't even the originally decided on building. I'm going to have to find it the story again because I've forgotten.

Straw Man

(6,624 posts)
26. I can't say I loved them, but I didn't hate them either.
Mon Sep 14, 2020, 01:27 AM
Sep 2020

They really couldn't be ignored, though. I guess that was the point.

I actually only went to the complex once, to 6 World Trade Center in 1998 when I moved back to the US from Japan and had to go to the Customs office to get clearance on personal items that I had shipped back. I never went into the Towers, but I could see them from the window of the office where I worked, 5th Ave. and 20th Street, from 1998-2000, and they loomed over my walk home down 5th Ave. to my apartment in the Village.

I left the city for good in the summer of 2001, several months before the attack. I certainly remember NY before the Towers were built, but it's inconceivable to me that they are no longer there. New York before, during, and after the Towers are three different cities to me.

electric_blue68

(14,891 posts)
27. I can get that...
Mon Sep 14, 2020, 01:45 AM
Sep 2020

I was really wasn't old enough to know much of pre Towers NYC since I was hardly every down in way lower Manhattan until after the Towers were built.

SeattleVet

(5,477 posts)
28. I worked directly across the street from the South tower...
Mon Sep 14, 2020, 02:42 AM
Sep 2020

from 1984 to 1992, at 130 Liberty Street (1 Bankers Trust Plaza). That was the 40-story big black building that the tower damaged when it fell. It was shrouded for several years and had a huge flag hanging on it in many of the photos of 'Ground Zero'. My cubicle was on the 38th floor, and if I turned away from my desk and looked out the window I had a panoramic view of all of lower Manhattan, the Statue of Liberty, Staten Island, Governor's Island, Verrazano bridge, and the rest of the harbor. When the south tower fell parts of the debris put a 24-floor gash, 1 office deep, down the font of the building. It stood empty and rotting for several years, and was eventually dismantled floor by floor, as there was no room to do any other type of demolition.

I was up in the office for the Statue of Liberty Centennial, looking *down* onto the fireworks. They had the parade of tall ships, and the Navy had several ships that also came in for the celebrations, including the aircraft carrier, John F. Kennedy. We used to watch the QE2 sail out down the Hudson and through the harbor and thought that it was a pretty big ship, but it was sailing out while the JFK was arriving, and when they passed each other the QE2 looked almost like the ships boat for the carrier. They brought the JFK into the Hudson river and then some tugs turned it around, and it looked like it stretched almost from the shore in NYC to the shore in New Jersey. It's hard to describe just how freaking BIG those things are!

We used to be able to watch that bastard Reagan when he flew into NY for various functions (UN, speeches, fundraisers, etc.) as they landed at the Battery Park heliport.

We used to go for lunch from time to time at Windows on the World or The SkyDive, a restaurant at the 44th floor SkyLobby. Our building had a skybridge that went from our plaza level to the WTC plaza, across Liberty Street, and there were a lot of events and things going on in the plaza...festivals, community groups, bands, dancers, etc. The WTC plaza was 'Oz' in the movie version of The Wiz. Many lunches were spent shopping (and eating) at places under the WTC towers and plaza; it was a huge multi-level shopping complex. My subway stop was the E train under the WTC, at the end of the line.

I left NYC for Seattle in 1992, a few months before they set off the truck bomb in the parking garage of the WTC. I was able to take my wife to the top of the WTC when we visited, and then we went to the empty pit where the towers had stood before they built the current memorial park on our last visit.

I had a cousin that lived on W 8th Street, right next door to the Electric Lady Studio that Jimi Hendrix built shortly before his death. She said that the worst thing after the WTC came down was the smell of death, which lingered for many months and got into everything for a long time afterwards.

We spent a lot of time in and around the towers. The last time we went back to NYC the entire area was so changed as to be pretty unrecognizable, but O'Hara's pub was still there on Cedar Street - that was our usual after work hangout for several years. I'll have to dig around and see if I can find a fisheye photo I took of the towers framed by the circular fountain that we had at 130 Liberty, and some I took from the base of one of the towers looking straight up along the stainless steel external structure. It really was a beautiful - and very functional - structure. I was heartbroken watching them fall that day.

electric_blue68

(14,891 posts)
29. Thank you Seattlevet for all your stories...
Mon Sep 14, 2020, 04:01 AM
Sep 2020

Yeah, I remember that building, and the terrible gash it had after 9-11.

You had your own splendid view looking southward (except when Rotten Ronnie was arriving/departing) !

From our NE perch: northward I could see to the Tappenzee Bridge, and somewhat beyond. Eastwrd past JFK Airport. In fact I saw The Concord take off from there in it's early flights (with binoculars)!

I'll have to find my combo calendar/date book and see where my sis and I were for that Centennial. We're big fireworks fans, and until the last few years (she has knee problems) we'd be down looking over to the Hudson River, or on the Eastside for The 4th's fireworks depending on where they were. Such fun!

I just looked up The Intrepid Air, Space and Sea Museum which I'm half shocked to find it opened in '82?! Sworn it was in the early '90's .
Reminded me bc of your mention of The JFK turning in the Harbor. I went to visit irge museum after 9-11. Yeah, the Intrepid was Big! Quite amazing, too.

I could have walked by O'Hara's at some point. I loved The Concourse because it had so many different types of shops! I could get a lot of shopping done there for necessary, and fun stuff before heading home.

Yeah, I remember that smell, horrific. But when I was about 1 1/2 miles or less away northwards from there afterwards luckily it didn't reach us there.

I was quite miffed when I learned afterwards, but maybe I forgot early on that you could go up to the roof top of Tower 2. Never did.

I loved the Plaza, and The fountain, and sphere. It was a vast space filled with light.

I'll look forward to any photos you find. 🙂

You stay safe out there!

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