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Chuck Schumer keeping it real (Original Post) bigtree Sep 2020 OP
Fucking A !!! SamKnause Sep 2020 #1
"MAKE IT SO!" MagickMuffin Sep 2020 #2
Yes it has... Blue Owl Sep 2020 #3
Is well past time Mersky Sep 2020 #4
True that! nt Wounded Bear Sep 2020 #12
Legalize it, don't criticize it. MasonDreams Sep 2020 #5
Classic Schumer incrementalism "decriminalize" instead of "legalize" Fiendish Thingy Sep 2020 #6
decriminalize still solves problems stopdiggin Sep 2020 #7
tell that to the folks who can't get jobs because of pot convictions bigtree Sep 2020 #8
Most significant progressive changes did *not* happen incrementally Fiendish Thingy Sep 2020 #9
you're dead wrong bigtree Sep 2020 #10
History lesson learned- moral lesson...TBD nt Fiendish Thingy Sep 2020 #11

SamKnause

(13,101 posts)
1. Fucking A !!!
Mon Sep 14, 2020, 11:09 PM
Sep 2020

It never should have been criminalized.

It was a crime against humanity.

Criminalizing cannabis has caused the deaths and the destruction of countless lives.

It should be legal and we should be allowed to grow it.

MasonDreams

(756 posts)
5. Legalize it, don't criticize it.
Tue Sep 15, 2020, 01:22 AM
Sep 2020

It's always been just an excuse for the lizard assouls to ruin human being's lives.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,601 posts)
6. Classic Schumer incrementalism "decriminalize" instead of "legalize"
Tue Sep 15, 2020, 01:37 AM
Sep 2020

Still playing those Third Way word games...

stopdiggin

(11,302 posts)
7. decriminalize still solves problems
Tue Sep 15, 2020, 01:48 AM
Sep 2020

Would I like more? Yep. But not a big proponent of the "Go big, or go home!" slogans. That usually works better on sports gear than it does in real life.

bigtree

(85,996 posts)
8. tell that to the folks who can't get jobs because of pot convictions
Tue Sep 15, 2020, 06:12 AM
Sep 2020

...disproportionately affecting young black men.

Almost all major progressive changes occurred incrementally. Decriminalization is a good step forward.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,601 posts)
9. Most significant progressive changes did *not* happen incrementally
Tue Sep 15, 2020, 09:34 AM
Sep 2020

Medicare, Social security, Voting Rights ACT, Civil Rights ACT, Marriage equality, Women’s choice, all created by a single bill or court ruling, in many cases after years of struggle against those who cautioned supporters to “go slow”. Even a worker’s right to organize, IIRC, was the result of a court decision, again after years of struggle.

The only Incremental progressive changes I can think of are the state-by-state legalization of medical, then recreational cannabis use, and Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell.

Nationwide legalization of cannabis *includes* decriminalization, whereas decriminalizing cannabis does not mean legalizing it.

In almost every instance, incrementalism is/was a political tool used to impede, not facilitate, progress, and provide political cover to the status quo.

Nina Simone said it best:

bigtree

(85,996 posts)
10. you're dead wrong
Tue Sep 15, 2020, 09:39 AM
Sep 2020

...and I'm not going to provide you a series of history lessons, much of them based on my own life experience.

Still, I can't resist at least one lesson (it's me, not you)...

Take the beginnings of Social Security. FDR was bold and progressive, but he left a lot of people out in the cold on Social Security:

from wiki:

____ Most women and minorities were excluded from its benefits of unemployment insurance and old age pensions. Employment definitions reflected typical white male categories and patterns.

Job categories that were not covered by the act included workers in agricultural labor, domestic service, government employees, and many teachers, nurses, hospital employees, librarians, and social workers. The act also denied coverage to individuals who worked intermittently.

These jobs were dominated by women and minorities. For example, women made up 90% of domestic labor in 1940 and two-thirds of all employed black women were in domestic service. Exclusions exempted nearly half the working population.

Nearly two-thirds of all African Americans in the labor force, 70 to 80% in some areas in the South, and just over half of all women employed were not covered by Social Security. At the time, the NAACP protested the Social Security Act, describing it as “a sieve with holes just big enough for the majority of Negroes to fall through.”


. . . just a reminder that most legislative progress has been historically incremental (and progressively evolving), even with passage of sweeping initiatives. FDR also had problems with his 'rollout'.

from Reuters:

Created in 1935, the program took 40 years just to include all working Americans in its basic coverage. When the old-age insurance program launched in 1937, barely more than half the labor force participated.

A series of amendments to the Social Security Act gradually expanded coverage. By 1979 it finally reached 90 percent of American workers. Over the decades, Congress repeatedly retrofitted Social Security: adding dependent and survivor benefits; balancing payments between early participants and later retirees; including farm workers, domestic laborers and the self-employed, and introducing annual cost-of-living adjustments.

Social Security’s first baby steps proved especially uncertain. Of course, opponents denounced the pension plan as the leading wedge of a socialist revolution. One senator warned that the nationalization of wheat fields would soon follow. Former President Herbert Hoover suggested the law would reduce once-hearty Americans to servile passivity. “Our people are not ready to be turned into a national zoo,” Hoover warned, “our citizens classified, labeled and directed by self-approved keepers.”

But it was not just dissident conservatives who issued ideological censure. Even friendly critics disparaged the program for its incompetent personnel, confusing procedures and widespread abuses. One watchdog group particularly disapproved the rapid hiring of thousands of untrained, ill-qualified workers to staff the program.

In response, the fledgling Social Security administration launched a massive PR campaign to educate Americans about the intricacies of the program and broaden support for it . . .


Sound familiar? Perspective.
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