All the Republicans who are wringing their hands about Trump

[edhopper]

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and saying they can't vote for him, will fall in line next time behind Nikki Haley or Tom Cotton or whatever Rethug they pick to run and whose policies will be identical to the Orange Menace. They just won't be as insane or damaged. But they will lie as much and they will try to do the same things.
The GOP will not change after Trump.

[hlthe2b]

1. True for many, but not all. I think some will have a very hard time backing any Trump enablers.

That doesn't mean they will do a 180 on policy and philosophy, but there will be lingering resentment.

[N_E_1 for Tennis]

2. They will get worse...

They learned lessons from their great leader.

[Escurumbele]

17. I agree with you 100%

They have learned that the law, or the turtle pace the law works allows them to do damage while Democrats react and the law takes its time to prepare the documents to try to stop the damage, but by the time all these convoluted process is ready, the damage has been done.

When Biden wins he, congress, and hopefully a Democratic Senate will have to change a ton of laws, because we will still have people like Haley & Cotton waiting to become president, and they are not stupid like trump, they know the laws, they are smart, and those will be more dangerous. I believe those are already the people who are pulling the strings, lets face it, trump signs stuff that he doesn't understand, that he cannot explain, all he does is sign then show his signature pretending he was the author of the bill.

I don't understand why journalists who have interviewed trump have not asked him to explain any of the bills he has signed, I bet he can't.

The rules for the president must be changed, his/her powers must be watered down. If trump has shown us something is that the president has too much power, which in the wrong little hands is very dangerous.

[SleeplessinSoCal]

37. It's not just politicians who learned.

Our civics challenged youth and wannabe "business" tycoons will likely add threats, mob tactics, racism and misogyny to their repertoire of attributes.

[Demsrule86]

3. I am concerned with this year. And I believe we now have permanent voters who have

left the Republican Party for good...they will be on the moderate side. But we are a big tent and can handle that.

[Claustrum]

5. I am one of those. If you asked me back in 2015 and I would say I lean right

I was listening to both sides at the time and trying to decide which party/candidate to vote for. As soon as Trump was rising, I quickly realize I will be voting for Hillary because I am sane. As Trump won and the republican party expose their hypocrisy. I found myself to be voting straight democratic for the next 10 years. I will never vote for anyone who vocally supported Trump.

I still hope for the day when I can have 2 candidates that I consider to vote for but I don't think it will be soon.

[lastlib]

11. Welcome to the light!

There is a home in our party for those who love the country, but see its problems and are willing to lift ALL of our people, not just those already at the top.

[Claustrum]

13. Thank you. I kinda think of myself as a recovering addict

I fell for the slogans of the republican party when they don't actually believe or do any of the things they say they hold dear.

[DownriverDem]

12. Folks need

to look at a party's goals. A candidate runs on those goals.

[panader0]

31. Wait, you voted straight Democratic for the next ten years after 2015?

Who was our candidate in 2024?

[Claustrum]

32. I mean I will be voting straight democratic for the next 10 years. Please excuse my English

if it isn't clear. Not everyone is a native English speaker.

[DownriverDem]

10. Yes we can

The Dems are not as far left as folks who identify as progressive think we are However progressives need to understand that it's not their way or the highway. We welcome all. Besides if Biden/Harris doesn't win progressives can kiss their goals bye bye.

[Demsrule86]

46. Elections are won in the middle...always have been.

[Claustrum]

4. I think the republican party will be less pro-russia and less insane w/o Trump

I am not saying republicans will be sane but they will be less insane. Like Russian and foreign attacks, they have been around for many many many years. Conspiracy nuts have been around for many years. The difference is Trump vocally magnifies and enables them. Making them mainstream is a big problem imo.

I don't think another republican like Haley will be as crazy. I don't know about Cotton though.

[flying_wahini]

6. Romney is the lone voice in the GOP wilderness. He will get the nod when Trump is retired.

[DinahMoeHum]

14. Romney's still a private-equity leveraged-buyout prick, though.

What he's doing right now is window dressing for his own ambitions. He's playing a very long game.

[Volaris]

38. This is truth.

[Cosmocat]

23. No he won't

there is a reason he literally is the only DC elected R who has broke ranks, he is a man alone.

The party has irreversibly fully mutated into a white supremacist conspiracy theory freak show.

Romney can do what is he is doing because it is Utah and he is mormon.

Even if he loses 45 almost assuredly will remain the power in the party and if not it will be someone similarly oriented.

[Statistical]

27. I doubt that.

The crazies run the party now. If you can't appeal to Trump voter you won't be the next nominee. The person who comes after Trump will be the person who can out Trump all the other sociopaths trying to out Trump Trump.

[JI7]

43. That makes no sense at all.

[Demsrule86]

47. Romney wants to end Social Security and the ACA. He is not middle of the road to say the least.

[BComplex]

7. I agree. The republicans will eventually succeed at turning this country into a fascist state.

It's been their direction ever since FDR (thank the good lord for Smedley Butler), and eventually they will have a person with trump's disposition who will actually be smart enough to do it.

If we don't plug some of the legal holes that trump has shown are gaping to be filled, there will be no stopping the next fascist.

[Lonestarblue]

8. One of the biggest--and hardest--legal holes to plug is the Electoral College.

It has outlived its usefulness. Assuming Democrats are in control of Congress in 2021, they should propose an amendment to the Constitution to revoke the Electoral College and to elect the president by a national popular vote. It would require ratification by 28 states. That might take awhile, but it would at least start the process. While they’re at it, they should also write a proposal governing gerrymandering. Getting rid of gerrymandered districts would Give fair representation to all voters.

[BComplex]

16. That would be a good start.

[Jimbo S]

26. 38 states (?)

75% rule, I believe.

[Statistical]

29. Wyoming rule would reduce the impact of the EC by making the house larger.

Trying to pass an amendment that fails would simply energize the Republican voters and accomplish nothing

How about:
* open PR to statehood
* open DC to statehood
* pass the Wyoming rule to expand the size of the House

At the state level if we can flip a couple more states blue then have those states pass the national popular vote interstate compact.

[Lonestarblue]

35. The national popular vote interstate compact is good, but not permanent.

A state legislature that votes now to support the compact could vote in a couple of years to rescind their support, something that’s likely to happen if a state legislature flips from Democratic control to Republican control. Democrats should certainly still work for that, but a longer-term amendment would be harder to overturn. That said, an amendment will be hard to pass also, because the proposal requires a two-thirds majority vote in both the Senate and the House. Then it requires approval by 38 state legislatures (75% of the 50 states). Assuming that Republicans would not vote for this amendment because the EC mostly benefits them, only 24 states currently have Democratic leaders, and some of those states, like Wisconsin, have Republicans in control of the legislature. So definitely an uphill battle, but one worth fighting in my opinion.

[Ferrets are Cool]

9. True. AND, all the ones who say they wont vote for OrangeAnus will STILL

vote for every other repug on the ballot.

[usaf-vet]

25. You are right. In my neighborhood I see lots of (R) down ballot signs. BUT no tRump unlike 2016.

[Fla Dem]

15. You're exactly correct. They'll just wrap up their policies in a prettier bow.

There may not be as much overt support for the RW supremacists, but the support will be there just as it has been since the Civil War.

I'm not drinking the Lincoln Project kool-aid either. Right now they're the enemy of my enemy. But if Biden gets elected, they will quickly turn their sights on Biden and the Dems as we try to right the "Ship of State". It's not like they've gone all liberal on us. They, to their credit, are just not aligned with the autocratic fascist administration of Donald Trump.

[DIVINEprividence]

18. This certainly is a possibility or....

We are seeing a realignment similar to the Dixiecrats turning Republican after LBJ pushed Civil Rights.

[Chainfire]

19. If Trump crashes and burns

The Republican party will struggle for years to overcome his legacy.

If Trump wins, we will have an effective one party state for the foreseeable future. If we, as a party can not beat the worst president to ever serve, then Democrats are done as a political force. If Trump wins and the Democrats end up with small majorities in the House and Senate, then the power of the President + the power of the courts will render the legislative branch impotent.

We have one chance to save this sinking ship.

[Statistical]

30. Agreed. This is it. We are playing for all the chips here.

[Ligyron]

45. I'm afraid you're right.

This is it folks.

[NoMoreRepugs]

20. I'm with those that are of the opinion the RePutinicans will get worse.

The days of our entire government at the federal level working for the common good of all its citizens is history for now. Possibly our youngest grandchildren will see a return to normalcy in their lifetimes but maybe not.

[Cosmocat]

24. YEP

they are a full blown white supremist conspiracy freak show now.

[Pepsidog]

21. Like they did under W. It was chaos back then just not flagrant insanity like now

[theaocp]

22. Whose side will Lincoln Project support? N/t

[usaf-vet]

28. I would like to think some of them see continuing danger on the (R) side of politics.

I'm chuckling to myself because I have not seen one mention of Pence as the future of the (Rs).

Gee, I wonder why........ isn't the VP next in line.

Boy did he hook his wagon to the WRONG team.

[GoneOffShore]

49. The guys involved with The Lincoln Project are now 'damaged goods' & viewed

by pmurTer's as traitors to the 'cause'.

In addition, most Democrats will always view them with distrust.

They've burned their boats.

[1plus1equals1]

33. Trump is the Republican Party; the Republican Party is Trump!

I've watch it since the early 80s. It's a long running agenda of control, not freedoms. To end this is to end the Republican party. If these defectors want prove anything then they should truly abandon the party and start another one with new ideas that benefit the whole and not the privileged few.

[Warpy]

34. No, he's only the worst symptom. The Republicans are the disease.

They have bought into too many fallacies:

Winning is everything.

Unattainable ends justify unacceptable means.

Everything works from the top down.

Women can't be trusted with big decisions.

[LymphocyteLover]

36. they will change when they realize they can't win races anymore & can't hold meaningful power

[FakeNoose]

39. Not to disagree, but ...

... I doubt that Nikki Haley will ever get the same level of popularity and insane following as Chump. I doubt that anybody who is currently in politics will get to his level.

We've learned from Chump that the Repukes don't really care about a person's political leanings as long as they're a rockstar or a TV star, they'll do. It's the cult of personality and I don't think Nikki Haley has it. Besides that she's a smart woman and Chump has trained his followers - rightly or not - to hate and resent smart women.

No they're going to turn over rocks and find somebody new, somebody (male) who's got the right kind of personality and is willing to be schooled in their evil politics.

Maybe Nikki will be invited to run as VP? Who knows, but it seems a good possibility.

[lambchopp59]

40. Concur, but Ed, pull-ease correct that glaring foible in your OP title

Son of an English teacher with one mean 16 inch ruler. I can't help this.

[edhopper]

41. Oops!

will fix. Was writing on the run.

[JI7]

42. Who gives a shit. it's not as if they are claiming to be liberals

Why do you have a problem with getting all the support possible to defeat Trump ?

I want them to vote Biden now even if they vote Republican again afterwards.

I want to get Suprme Court Justices.

The country is moving more liberal so they won't be needed in the future as much. But they are needed this election.

Stop acting like politics is religion.

[edhopper]

44. Because President Cotton

would be just as bad, if not worse.

[Beartracks]

48. People need to know: the problem isn't just Trump.

It's also the Republican party, which gave rise to him, succored him, covered for him, lied for him, cheered him, and would do it all again. The Republican party needs to be shrunk down small enough to be drowned in a bathtub so that their hysteria, hypocrisy, and hubris can't hurt this country anymore.

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