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Tue Sep 15, 2020, 10:28 AM

Donald Trump is not the problem and removing him from office will not fix the problem.

62,984,828 of your friends, neighbors, co-workers, and family members voted for this narcissistic buffoon. Over the last 4 years he has proven to be just as incompetent, vile, hateful and ignorant as we all knew he would be - but his support remains steadfast amongst these people.

Our government will be better off under Joe Biden but our country, at its core, will be just as rotten as it is right now. All the Trump supporters will still be here, seething in their deplorable ignorance. These people are the real problem and Donald Trump is the symptom.

Dealing with these people is the solution. Our country will be in a world of shit until we figure out how to do that.

The damage that Republicans are doing to the country may already be irreparable. If we must wait another two decades for the demographics to shift - for old, ignorant white voters to die off so that educated, progressive minority voters become the majority, it will likely be far too late to take meaningful action on climate change. The longer we delay taking action to fix issues like income inequality, the harsher that action we will have to be.

This isnít mean to be alarmist but letís be honest: damn near half the voters in our country support Donald Trump. If that isnít alarming, what is?

Be prepared for hell come November. Things are going to get ugly.

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Reply Donald Trump is not the problem and removing him from office will not fix the problem. (Original post)
PTWB Sep 15 OP
at140 Sep 15 #1
PTWB Sep 15 #6
onetexan Sep 15 #13
Demsrule86 Sep 16 #24
PTWB Sep 16 #27
Celerity Sep 17 #35
liskddksil Sep 15 #7
Demsrule86 Sep 16 #25
liskddksil Sep 16 #26
dubyadiprecession Sep 15 #8
at140 Sep 15 #11
dubyadiprecession Sep 16 #23
at140 Sep 15 #10
sarcasmo Sep 16 #29
at140 Sep 17 #34
sarcasmo Sep 17 #39
northoftheborder Sep 15 #2
Initech Sep 16 #32
Phoenix61 Sep 15 #3
dubyadiprecession Sep 15 #4
Alacritous Crier Sep 15 #5
Meadowoak Sep 15 #9
Celerity Sep 17 #37
Spazito Sep 15 #12
H2O Man Sep 15 #14
Buckeyeblue Sep 15 #15
DSandra Sep 15 #16
Tumbulu Sep 16 #22
Arthur_Frain Sep 15 #17
TheBlackAdder Sep 15 #18
dalton99a Sep 17 #36
Statistical Sep 15 #19
LovingA2andMI Sep 15 #21
ego_nation Sep 15 #20
Initech Sep 16 #28
NameAlreadyTaken Sep 16 #30
Zing Zing Zingbah Sep 16 #31
marlakay Sep 16 #33
Celerity Sep 17 #38

Response to PTWB (Original post)

Tue Sep 15, 2020, 10:29 AM

1. Biden is going to win in a landslide...nt

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Response to at140 (Reply #1)

Tue Sep 15, 2020, 10:34 AM

6. Perhaps - but that has nothing to do with what I wrote.

Donald Trump isnít the problem. If only 55 million vote for him this year instead of the 62 million in 2016, it should alarm you that Trump would enjoy that level of support after what heís done the last 4 years. These people, his supporters, need to be dealt with - through education, old age or some unknown means. If we canít change them we are in big trouble as a nation.

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Response to PTWB (Reply #6)

Tue Sep 15, 2020, 10:43 AM

13. beg to differ. Removing him - the clear & present danger - is the first step. Rescinding all of his

harmful policies and recreating a functioning government are the next steps. We will not be able to change the minds of his rabid supporters. All we can do is make sure to turn out in great numbers so we get our candidates in office and further curtail their influence, starting with reducing gun violence by taking assault rifles off the streets and shutting down the NRA. The NRA and all RW groups need to be labelled as domestic terrorist organizations.

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Response to PTWB (Reply #6)

Wed Sep 16, 2020, 10:53 AM

24. Donald Trump is the problem and removing him is the answer...nothing else matters

right now.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #24)

Wed Sep 16, 2020, 11:19 AM

27. Donald Trump is a symptom.

The problem is 1/3rd the country ferociously supports him and everything he stands for. THEY are the problem.

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Response to PTWB (Reply #27)

Thu Sep 17, 2020, 01:04 PM

35. +1000

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Response to at140 (Reply #1)

Tue Sep 15, 2020, 10:35 AM

7. Only if we work our butts off and if the election were held today it would be very tight according

to state polling.

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Response to liskddksil (Reply #7)

Wed Sep 16, 2020, 10:54 AM

25. Not true.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #25)

Wed Sep 16, 2020, 10:59 AM

26. Yes true.

All swing states are tied to single-digit Biden leads. Not one is solidly in our column. We are deluding ourselves if we think we have this in the bag. The only way we win is we fight like we are down 10 points until Biden and Harris have their hands on that bible on 1/20/21.

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Response to at140 (Reply #1)

Tue Sep 15, 2020, 10:36 AM

8. That is what is frustrating trump at this very moment.

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Response to dubyadiprecession (Reply #8)

Tue Sep 15, 2020, 10:39 AM

11. Did you notice Trump has gained lot of girth lately

and walks slower? He must be eating more cheeseburgers in frustration, watching Biden polling way ahead of him.

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Response to at140 (Reply #11)

Wed Sep 16, 2020, 10:42 AM

23. Yes, I've seen the changes in his weight.

However, the life sized cardboard cutouts of him always look so slender!

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Response to at140 (Reply #1)

Tue Sep 15, 2020, 10:37 AM

10. Actually it is in context based on familiarity by voters of Trump regime

in 2016, Trump was more unknown quantity than he is now.
That is why he will be going down in humiliating defeat in 2020.

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Response to at140 (Reply #1)

Wed Sep 16, 2020, 11:36 AM

29. Trump will declare victory on November 3rd and lawsuit every swing state Biden wins.



Biden could have 315 and Trump will still declare victory. November and December will make the last four years look sane.

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Response to sarcasmo (Reply #29)

Thu Sep 17, 2020, 01:02 PM

34. not looking forward to Nov 4th!

I hope you are wrong, but anything is possible with Trump.

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Response to at140 (Reply #34)

Thu Sep 17, 2020, 01:51 PM

39. November and December will be beyond Insanity.

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Response to PTWB (Original post)

Tue Sep 15, 2020, 10:29 AM

2. Depressingly true.

Even if Biden wins, it's going to be a long haul toward normalcy.

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Response to northoftheborder (Reply #2)

Wed Sep 16, 2020, 12:09 PM

32. The fact is that these people are bathed in 24/7 propaganda.

They live for it every day. With this administration, they have successfully merged the propaganda arm of the GOP with the government arm. And that's created what I like to call a "bullshit pipeline".

And it's convinced them that their opinion is the only opinion and everyone else is wrong. Until we face reality and start dealing with this, then it's going to be same shit, different year.

Trump is not the problem. He's a symptom of the problem. He is the president of, by, and for AM radio talk show hosts.

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Response to PTWB (Original post)

Tue Sep 15, 2020, 10:32 AM

3. They were seething before Twitler.

They were seething for years but they, for the most part, are a lot older and Mother Nature will take care of them in time. This should make the hard core evangelicals happy as they will finally get to that promised land they are always talking about.

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Response to PTWB (Original post)

Tue Sep 15, 2020, 10:33 AM

4. Reforms are coming for the presidency.

A President Biden can push for those badly needed safeguards, that we werenít aware we needed, until this ďNational accident named TrumpĒ reared his ugly head.

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Response to PTWB (Original post)

Tue Sep 15, 2020, 10:33 AM

5. Some sort of...

return of the fairness doctrine is going to be needed with patches for loopholes that cite channels as "entertainment" vs. news. Also, social networks will also have to toe the line in regard to this.

This hardcore RW propaganda must be dealt with before the masses of brainwashed citizens will stand a chance.

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Response to PTWB (Original post)

Tue Sep 15, 2020, 10:36 AM

9. Fox and hate radio are the real problem.

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Response to Meadowoak (Reply #9)

Thu Sep 17, 2020, 01:07 PM

37. add social media and OANN

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Response to PTWB (Original post)

Tue Sep 15, 2020, 10:41 AM

12. So, what's your solution to what you see as the problem? n/t

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Response to PTWB (Original post)

Tue Sep 15, 2020, 10:48 AM

14. Agree & respectfully disagree.

Trump is not the only problem, but he sure as heck is a problem. The Trump cult, for but one example, doesn't set US foreign policy. Trump does.

It may be more accurate to say that Trump's presidency is a direct result of the sickness that has infected this country, rather than viewing him as a symptom. From that position, it is evident that huge problems will continue to hurt this country after Biden wins in November .... the environmental crisis, violence, etc. As an old psychiatric social worker who has decades of experience with "family systems," I'd wager that we cannot begin to deal with those problems until we get the evil step-father out of the picture .... for while he is not the only problem, none can be addressed and there can be no healing until he is out of the picture.

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Response to PTWB (Original post)

Tue Sep 15, 2020, 11:03 AM

15. I agree that we have a big problem

Essentially a little less than half the population thinks we should cut taxes for the rich, curtail workers rights, eliminate female reproductive rights, eliminate gay rights, that racism is not a problem, etc, etc, etc.

Most of these people are under educated white people who are as poor as church mice.

We need a rational leader who can touch these people's hearts.

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Response to PTWB (Original post)

Tue Sep 15, 2020, 11:11 AM

16. Right Wing Media is destroying this nation, essentially creating an army of hate

That army of hate wonít go away if Trump loses the election. And now they are more emboldened than ever with Trump to combine their attachment with guns to fight and eventually kill liberals to retain power.

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Response to DSandra (Reply #16)

Wed Sep 16, 2020, 01:55 AM

22. I agree 1000 times

And until we deal with the hate media, the catastrophe will only continue.

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Response to PTWB (Original post)

Tue Sep 15, 2020, 11:22 AM

17. I agree with most of what you say

And Iíve been at a loss about what to do with the deplorables when Biden wins.

But then Iím making a very big assumption that Biden will win. In all of this, I have to remember that while I saw him coming, I didnít really think chump could win. (that was my error) I woke up the day after the election in 2016 simply astounded that HRC had lost.

FWIW I think the time between November 3rd and when Biden gets sworn in have the potential to be very violent. We have already passed the point where things have been said that canít be unsaid. Depending on where you live, you should already be taking action to protect yourself and your family on and after the election. Heís already advocating armed resistance if he loses, so before you accuse me of overreacting, think about what the deplorables might be stocking up on right now.

The question as I see it is who could conceivably replace chump? Like him or hate him, he has been able to do this because he possesses quite a bit of charisma. Usually, the leaders of this nationalist/nazi ilk are too slimy to be heeded, the rest of us cringe whenever they get on the podium. But chump was able to hoodwink them, and I think there is the key to how you deal with them.

Got to get them to turn on one another. They suffer from extreme confirmation bias, how can we be the ones doing the hoodwinking? What can we tell them about each other that they already secretly believe is true that can sow discord? Quite a bit comes to my mind.

Iím thinking (only half in jest) that we need a ďStephen ColbertĒ type, but before he took over the tonight show. Just the kind of smarmy, reassuring, over the top, conservative turd theyíd be likely to find comfort in. Send him in (suicide mission probably, so pick someone with a terminal illness) with a conservative message so stupid, so sound in itís circular reasoning, that it canít be resisted. It sounds like a Monty Python outtake, but life has imitated art before.

There might have been a time when I thought the evangelicals were the key. Heh, guess I was way off there. Right now, I think it might be the veterans, but only if the timing works out on his remarks about the military. Sure as hell nothing ever seems to stick to the man, so the actual election is going to depend on what boots get dropped on Monday November 2nd.

I canít believe it isnít going to be a landslide for Biden.

But then I couldnít believe when chump won it in 2016.

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Response to PTWB (Original post)

Tue Sep 15, 2020, 11:29 AM

18. Not the problem, but removing him will remove the problem's direct access to destroying the country.

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Reply #18)

Thu Sep 17, 2020, 01:06 PM

36. +1

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Response to PTWB (Original post)

Tue Sep 15, 2020, 11:33 AM

19. When your house is on fire the first step it to put the fire out ...

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however if the Democrats take both houses and the Presidency they need to act immediately and open DC & PR to statehood and then expand the size of the House with the Wyoming rule.

That would all but ensure the Republican party never retakes the house and would be hard pressed to consistently control the Senate.

Side note while a disgustingly large MINORITY of voters support Republicans they are a minority. The Republican party has remained in power through various mechanism which give the minority viewpoint an outsized influence.

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Response to Statistical (Reply #19)

Tue Sep 15, 2020, 11:53 AM

21. Agree...

Democrats need to END any Future Republican ruling the US House or US Senate. Giving Statehood to D.C. and Puerto Rico would do just that.

Republicans NEVER DESERVE to be IN POWER in WASHINGTON, D.C. EVER AGAIN! That is how we feel about it.

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Response to PTWB (Original post)

Tue Sep 15, 2020, 11:38 AM

20. Can't disagree with anything you wrote. Trump supporters

may be outnumbered (hopefully), but they are not insignificant. And you cannot reason with them.

I really have to wonder if the US can remain intact.

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Response to PTWB (Original post)

Wed Sep 16, 2020, 11:27 AM

28. Fox News and AM hate radio are the biggest problems.

And then there's social media that we also have to contend with. Trump is the president of, by, and for social media trolls. That's why he lives and feeds off of Twitter. It makes him stronger and allows him to command his army of trolls.

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Response to PTWB (Original post)

Wed Sep 16, 2020, 11:56 AM

30. Thankfully, they don't wear masks

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Response to PTWB (Original post)

Wed Sep 16, 2020, 11:59 AM

31. We can't even begin to solve any problems with Trump as president,

so getting rid of him would be a step in the right direction. Also, if the Dems could get a senate majority, that would be some real progress too. Baby steps. We aren't going solve this overnight.

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Response to PTWB (Original post)

Wed Sep 16, 2020, 12:22 PM

33. I know abortion is one reason and he has the pro

Lifers believing he supports them. I thought it interesting as I had conversation yesterday that the guy didn't even try to say Trump was religious or born again, what he said was Trump supported them.

I said he only supports you to get votes he doesn't believe, and when I asked the question who do you think has paid for abortions Trump or Biden silence. They know!

I told him in the future the truth will come out. They agreed the truth will come out their truth. The woman I am acquaintance friends with, used to work with her, then said Trump was going to help our world get better.

This is a lady that posts christian love. She actually thinks Trump will make her world better.

They are completely brain washed, by Trump, by their church, by their group think.

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Response to PTWB (Original post)

Thu Sep 17, 2020, 01:07 PM

38. K & R

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