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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDonald Trump is not the problem and removing him from office will not fix the problem.
62,984,828 of your friends, neighbors, co-workers, and family members voted for this narcissistic buffoon. Over the last 4 years he has proven to be just as incompetent, vile, hateful and ignorant as we all knew he would be - but his support remains steadfast amongst these people.
Our government will be better off under Joe Biden but our country, at its core, will be just as rotten as it is right now. All the Trump supporters will still be here, seething in their deplorable ignorance. These people are the real problem and Donald Trump is the symptom.
Dealing with these people is the solution. Our country will be in a world of shit until we figure out how to do that.
The damage that Republicans are doing to the country may already be irreparable. If we must wait another two decades for the demographics to shift - for old, ignorant white voters to die off so that educated, progressive minority voters become the majority, it will likely be far too late to take meaningful action on climate change. The longer we delay taking action to fix issues like income inequality, the harsher that action we will have to be.
This isnt mean to be alarmist but lets be honest: damn near half the voters in our country support Donald Trump. If that isnt alarming, what is?
Be prepared for hell come November. Things are going to get ugly.
at140
(6,110 posts)PTWB
(4,131 posts)Donald Trump isnt the problem. If only 55 million vote for him this year instead of the 62 million in 2016, it should alarm you that Trump would enjoy that level of support after what hes done the last 4 years. These people, his supporters, need to be dealt with - through education, old age or some unknown means. If we cant change them we are in big trouble as a nation.
onetexan
(13,037 posts)harmful policies and recreating a functioning government are the next steps. We will not be able to change the minds of his rabid supporters. All we can do is make sure to turn out in great numbers so we get our candidates in office and further curtail their influence, starting with reducing gun violence by taking assault rifles off the streets and shutting down the NRA. The NRA and all RW groups need to be labelled as domestic terrorist organizations.
Demsrule86
(68,555 posts)right now.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)The problem is 1/3rd the country ferociously supports him and everything he stands for. THEY are the problem.
liskddksil
(2,753 posts)to state polling.
Demsrule86
(68,555 posts)liskddksil
(2,753 posts)All swing states are tied to single-digit Biden leads. Not one is solidly in our column. We are deluding ourselves if we think we have this in the bag. The only way we win is we fight like we are down 10 points until Biden and Harris have their hands on that bible on 1/20/21.
dubyadiprecession
(5,707 posts)at140
(6,110 posts)and walks slower? He must be eating more cheeseburgers in frustration, watching Biden polling way ahead of him.
dubyadiprecession
(5,707 posts)However, the life sized cardboard cutouts of him always look so slender!
at140
(6,110 posts)in 2016, Trump was more unknown quantity than he is now.
That is why he will be going down in humiliating defeat in 2020.
sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)Biden could have 315 and Trump will still declare victory. November and December will make the last four years look sane.
at140
(6,110 posts)I hope you are wrong, but anything is possible with Trump.
sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)northoftheborder
(7,572 posts)Even if Biden wins, it's going to be a long haul toward normalcy.
Initech
(100,065 posts)They live for it every day. With this administration, they have successfully merged the propaganda arm of the GOP with the government arm. And that's created what I like to call a "bullshit pipeline".
And it's convinced them that their opinion is the only opinion and everyone else is wrong. Until we face reality and start dealing with this, then it's going to be same shit, different year.
Trump is not the problem. He's a symptom of the problem. He is the president of, by, and for AM radio talk show hosts.
Phoenix61
(17,003 posts)They were seething for years but they, for the most part, are a lot older and Mother Nature will take care of them in time. This should make the hard core evangelicals happy as they will finally get to that promised land they are always talking about.
dubyadiprecession
(5,707 posts)A President Biden can push for those badly needed safeguards, that we werent aware we needed, until this National accident named Trump reared his ugly head.
Alacritous Crier
(3,816 posts)return of the fairness doctrine is going to be needed with patches for loopholes that cite channels as "entertainment" vs. news. Also, social networks will also have to toe the line in regard to this.
This hardcore RW propaganda must be dealt with before the masses of brainwashed citizens will stand a chance.
Meadowoak
(5,545 posts)Celerity
(43,333 posts)Spazito
(50,325 posts)H2O Man
(73,536 posts)Trump is not the only problem, but he sure as heck is a problem. The Trump cult, for but one example, doesn't set US foreign policy. Trump does.
It may be more accurate to say that Trump's presidency is a direct result of the sickness that has infected this country, rather than viewing him as a symptom. From that position, it is evident that huge problems will continue to hurt this country after Biden wins in November .... the environmental crisis, violence, etc. As an old psychiatric social worker who has decades of experience with "family systems," I'd wager that we cannot begin to deal with those problems until we get the evil step-father out of the picture .... for while he is not the only problem, none can be addressed and there can be no healing until he is out of the picture.
Buckeyeblue
(5,499 posts)Essentially a little less than half the population thinks we should cut taxes for the rich, curtail workers rights, eliminate female reproductive rights, eliminate gay rights, that racism is not a problem, etc, etc, etc.
Most of these people are under educated white people who are as poor as church mice.
We need a rational leader who can touch these people's hearts.
DSandra
(999 posts)That army of hate wont go away if Trump loses the election. And now they are more emboldened than ever with Trump to combine their attachment with guns to fight and eventually kill liberals to retain power.
Tumbulu
(6,278 posts)And until we deal with the hate media, the catastrophe will only continue.
Arthur_Frain
(1,849 posts)And Ive been at a loss about what to do with the deplorables when Biden wins.
But then Im making a very big assumption that Biden will win. In all of this, I have to remember that while I saw him coming, I didnt really think chump could win. (that was my error) I woke up the day after the election in 2016 simply astounded that HRC had lost.
FWIW I think the time between November 3rd and when Biden gets sworn in have the potential to be very violent. We have already passed the point where things have been said that cant be unsaid. Depending on where you live, you should already be taking action to protect yourself and your family on and after the election. Hes already advocating armed resistance if he loses, so before you accuse me of overreacting, think about what the deplorables might be stocking up on right now.
The question as I see it is who could conceivably replace chump? Like him or hate him, he has been able to do this because he possesses quite a bit of charisma. Usually, the leaders of this nationalist/nazi ilk are too slimy to be heeded, the rest of us cringe whenever they get on the podium. But chump was able to hoodwink them, and I think there is the key to how you deal with them.
Got to get them to turn on one another. They suffer from extreme confirmation bias, how can we be the ones doing the hoodwinking? What can we tell them about each other that they already secretly believe is true that can sow discord? Quite a bit comes to my mind.
Im thinking (only half in jest) that we need a Stephen Colbert type, but before he took over the tonight show. Just the kind of smarmy, reassuring, over the top, conservative turd theyd be likely to find comfort in. Send him in (suicide mission probably, so pick someone with a terminal illness) with a conservative message so stupid, so sound in its circular reasoning, that it cant be resisted. It sounds like a Monty Python outtake, but life has imitated art before.
There might have been a time when I thought the evangelicals were the key. Heh, guess I was way off there. Right now, I think it might be the veterans, but only if the timing works out on his remarks about the military. Sure as hell nothing ever seems to stick to the man, so the actual election is going to depend on what boots get dropped on Monday November 2nd.
I cant believe it isnt going to be a landslide for Biden.
But then I couldnt believe when chump won it in 2016.
TheBlackAdder
(28,186 posts)dalton99a
(81,455 posts)Statistical
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however if the Democrats take both houses and the Presidency they need to act immediately and open DC & PR to statehood and then expand the size of the House with the Wyoming rule.
That would all but ensure the Republican party never retakes the house and would be hard pressed to consistently control the Senate.
Side note while a disgustingly large MINORITY of voters support Republicans they are a minority. The Republican party has remained in power through various mechanism which give the minority viewpoint an outsized influence.
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)Democrats need to END any Future Republican ruling the US House or US Senate. Giving Statehood to D.C. and Puerto Rico would do just that.
Republicans NEVER DESERVE to be IN POWER in WASHINGTON, D.C. EVER AGAIN! That is how we feel about it.
ego_nation
(123 posts)may be outnumbered (hopefully), but they are not insignificant. And you cannot reason with them.
I really have to wonder if the US can remain intact.
Initech
(100,065 posts)And then there's social media that we also have to contend with. Trump is the president of, by, and for social media trolls. That's why he lives and feeds off of Twitter. It makes him stronger and allows him to command his army of trolls.
NameAlreadyTaken
(977 posts)Zing Zing Zingbah
(6,496 posts)so getting rid of him would be a step in the right direction. Also, if the Dems could get a senate majority, that would be some real progress too. Baby steps. We aren't going solve this overnight.
marlakay
(11,451 posts)Lifers believing he supports them. I thought it interesting as I had conversation yesterday that the guy didn't even try to say Trump was religious or born again, what he said was Trump supported them.
I said he only supports you to get votes he doesn't believe, and when I asked the question who do you think has paid for abortions Trump or Biden silence. They know!
I told him in the future the truth will come out. They agreed the truth will come out their truth. The woman I am acquaintance friends with, used to work with her, then said Trump was going to help our world get better.
This is a lady that posts christian love. She actually thinks Trump will make her world better.
They are completely brain washed, by Trump, by their church, by their group think.