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mysteryowl

(7,362 posts)
Tue Sep 15, 2020, 02:02 PM Sep 2020

Breaking: October Surprise via AG Barr going after big name Dems.

John Durham, investigator, has been enlisted by AG Barr in 2019 to look into origins of the government investigating Russian interference in our elections and the link to Trump. Trump all along has said it was illegal.

Washington Post investigative reporter, speaking on NPR today, said several big names will be brought up to the public by AG Barr.
The Washington Post article will be released in a couple days, it is currently with the editors.

(This is my paraphrase of what I just heard on the radio) I don't know exactly what Barr is going to do.

EDIT UPDATE: There are several articles from conservative media sources talking about John Durham and his investigative team working on Spygate crap.

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Breaking: October Surprise via AG Barr going after big name Dems. (Original Post) mysteryowl Sep 2020 OP
Let me guess, Obama, Biden, Hillary are definitely in there Claustrum Sep 2020 #1
Let's hope he is not filing indictments! mysteryowl Sep 2020 #2
you can't file indictments on manufactured crimes. They are simply trying to suggest wrongdoing by onetexan Sep 2020 #20
Okay, sounds right. This is trump's and the GOP's MO. mysteryowl Sep 2020 #24
I assume it's a "Comey 2016" Redux GopherGal Sep 2020 #34
exactly, the Con has done this time & again. Recently he's been accusing Biden of using drugs onetexan Sep 2020 #40
Just remember... 2naSalit Sep 2020 #44
good one! I'll keep that in mind going forward! onetexan Sep 2020 #45
That's a keeper! Talitha Sep 2020 #72
Why can't you file an indictment on a manufactured crime? CanonRay Sep 2020 #51
And if they just start arresting people Mr.Bill Sep 2020 #52
Kerry. blm Sep 2020 #35
AG Barr is going to prison malaise Sep 2020 #3
Only correct answer. Dem2 Sep 2020 #43
Explain to me how Democrats contracted with the Russians to interfere with the 2016 no_hypocrisy Sep 2020 #4
I don't think that is the issue mysteryowl Sep 2020 #6
Strzok's book clearly outlines there was cause radius777 Sep 2020 #65
oh they will, and it will make no sense whatsoever, and 40% of Americans will believe it completely 0rganism Sep 2020 #9
Benghazi !! - Boogaloo. OAITW r.2.0 Sep 2020 #5
Good That The Article Will Be Released Me. Sep 2020 #7
It will help to know ahead of time, but mysteryowl Sep 2020 #12
Why do we care what they think or believe? BannonsLiver Sep 2020 #18
Because Barr has the authority Mr.Bill Sep 2020 #53
He Can Indict? ProfessorGAC Sep 2020 #66
They weren't talking about Barr BannonsLiver Sep 2020 #73
Agree. Get in front and knock the wind out of it. nolabear Sep 2020 #16
That was the topic of the 1-hour radio show! mysteryowl Sep 2020 #21
... Me. Sep 2020 #62
If they start persecuting innocent Democratic leaders we must all arm ourselves PTWB Sep 2020 #8
....... Spazito Sep 2020 #10
You don't think arresting HRC, Obama, etc would provoke a civil war? PTWB Sep 2020 #11
LOL Spazito Sep 2020 #15
I wonder will happen when Trump and Barr and all the rest are arrested? mysteryowl Sep 2020 #17
No, but it should provoke a general strike. Yavin4 Sep 2020 #22
How is that gonna work? TheRealNorth Sep 2020 #36
If everyone with a job just sat at home for one day.... Yavin4 Sep 2020 #37
But that isn't going to happen TheRealNorth Sep 2020 #41
I'm 71 years old. I gotta job & a city apartment. I ain't losing it in a general strike. Sorry NBachers Sep 2020 #48
And that's why things do not change. n/t Yavin4 Sep 2020 #59
You go first, dude NBachers Sep 2020 #67
Gladly. Yavin4 Sep 2020 #70
With made-up evidence, no doubt. GoCubsGo Sep 2020 #13
That will be interesting StarfishSaver Sep 2020 #14
Yep, they're not fooling anyone. GoCubsGo Sep 2020 #19
The blowback is bound to be hilarious C_U_L8R Sep 2020 #23
The media fails us every day. Cracklin Charlie Sep 2020 #25
They'll fall for this hook, line and sinker, like Barr's "Mueller Report Summary". bullwinkle428 Sep 2020 #29
WAG: a lot of noise and fanfare, possibly some real charges over minor infractions... JHB Sep 2020 #26
I hear that the House may impeach Bill Barr in October? kentuck Sep 2020 #27
That would be fantastic!!!! mysteryowl Sep 2020 #28
Do you get the impression that he has a terminal problem Baitball Blogger Sep 2020 #32
He definitely has a problem! kentuck Sep 2020 #33
WOW, they are really desperate . . Iliyah Sep 2020 #30
At some point we need to make adjustments to public figures being fair game, Baitball Blogger Sep 2020 #31
I've been hoping lately that Obama would sue Barr and Trump immediately since many Karadeniz Sep 2020 #47
Only the diehards will believe him. LiberalBrooke Sep 2020 #38
No thinking person will believe any of it Bettie Sep 2020 #39
Swing voters won't buy it. lindysalsagal Sep 2020 #42
Very unprofessional of the Post to publish a hit job on Obama, Biden, whomever the Barr Karadeniz Sep 2020 #46
You are right, why even cover this crap. Pepsidog Sep 2020 #49
We don't know if the Post is.... Spazito Sep 2020 #50
Maybe he'll arrest Obama or more likely Hillary. SoonerPride Sep 2020 #54
Or Biden and Harris. Mr.Bill Sep 2020 #55
I could see that too. SoonerPride Sep 2020 #56
Fine then who or whomever is the target of this crap and just subpoena the Muller Report, Botany Sep 2020 #57
Maybe, just maybe hurple Sep 2020 #58
After November, he'll be #2 on the sh1t list BlueWavePsych Sep 2020 #60
Doesn't surprise me in the least. Shouldn't surprise anyone here! After all that's the way bluestarone Sep 2020 #61
And the way Nazi Germany did it. triron Sep 2020 #64
It will be smoke and mirrors, nothing firm but lots of drama Justice Sep 2020 #63
It's not really an "October Surprise" if they announce their plans ahead of time. Initech Sep 2020 #68
Who is "they"? Who is "their"? mysteryowl Sep 2020 #71
Top prosecutor on Durham team resigned few days ago (likely in protest). radius777 Sep 2020 #69
Ignore him and his crap attacks. He'll be gone soon. Refuse to cooperate with anything he tries. BSdetect Sep 2020 #74
Fuck that corrupt sack of shit Blue Owl Sep 2020 #75

Claustrum

(4,845 posts)
1. Let me guess, Obama, Biden, Hillary are definitely in there
Tue Sep 15, 2020, 02:04 PM
Sep 2020

And it definitely has nothing to do with politics /s

onetexan

(13,020 posts)
20. you can't file indictments on manufactured crimes. They are simply trying to suggest wrongdoing by
Tue Sep 15, 2020, 02:28 PM
Sep 2020

Dems to influence people's votes. Fat chance.

mysteryowl

(7,362 posts)
24. Okay, sounds right. This is trump's and the GOP's MO.
Tue Sep 15, 2020, 02:33 PM
Sep 2020

Just by suggesting apparently makes it so, in this day and age of conspiracy theories being believed by so many.

GopherGal

(2,007 posts)
34. I assume it's a "Comey 2016" Redux
Tue Sep 15, 2020, 03:11 PM
Sep 2020

Toss around a bunch of not proven, but too-hazy to be refutable accusations.

onetexan

(13,020 posts)
40. exactly, the Con has done this time & again. Recently he's been accusing Biden of using drugs
Tue Sep 15, 2020, 03:37 PM
Sep 2020

saying "Many people said...". It's the same crap that gullible people fall for.

CanonRay

(14,084 posts)
51. Why can't you file an indictment on a manufactured crime?
Tue Sep 15, 2020, 04:50 PM
Sep 2020

Most prosecutors can get a Grand Jury to indict anyone. They could drop the charges after November 3rd.

no_hypocrisy

(46,020 posts)
4. Explain to me how Democrats contracted with the Russians to interfere with the 2016
Tue Sep 15, 2020, 02:10 PM
Sep 2020

Elections to let Trump win. How the Democrats wanted Russians to give the e-mails to James Comey to let Trump win. How the Democrats wanted the Russians to do the 2016 October Surprise with Huma Abedin's laptop not only to let Trump win but to essentially destroy Hillary Clinton, Huma Abedin, and her ex-husband, Anthony Weiner.

mysteryowl

(7,362 posts)
6. I don't think that is the issue
Tue Sep 15, 2020, 02:12 PM
Sep 2020

I think it is about blaming Dems for investigating Trump/Russia connection. I will see if I can clear that up.

I edited my original wording for clarity. I hope it is better now.

radius777

(3,635 posts)
65. Strzok's book clearly outlines there was cause
Tue Sep 15, 2020, 06:02 PM
Sep 2020

to investigate Trump/Russia connection and this was bipartisan. The recently released Senate report was bipartisan. Comey, Mueller, Rosenstein, Strzok are all Republicans. A jury did convict Roger Stone.

If anything the FBI/Comey screwed Hillary by not saying they were investigating Trump, while being public about her email investigation.

0rganism

(23,927 posts)
9. oh they will, and it will make no sense whatsoever, and 40% of Americans will believe it completely
Tue Sep 15, 2020, 02:17 PM
Sep 2020

we're in the deep trouble now

i used to believe that Americans could find solutions to our large-scale problems
now our government busies itself with burying truth and polishing turds on behalf of a truly ridiculous egomaniac
we can no longer solve our problems internally
the 40-year project to make us too stupid to survive has succeeded

OAITW r.2.0

(24,287 posts)
5. Benghazi !! - Boogaloo.
Tue Sep 15, 2020, 02:11 PM
Sep 2020

I think this will backfire incredibly. The American people have figured out the Republican game-plan. Project onto Democrats their own crimes.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
7. Good That The Article Will Be Released
Tue Sep 15, 2020, 02:13 PM
Sep 2020

Scoop Barr's own 'scoop'. The October surprise won't be. Let the pushback and innoculation begin.

mysteryowl

(7,362 posts)
12. It will help to know ahead of time, but
Tue Sep 15, 2020, 02:21 PM
Sep 2020

the deplorable base will see this information coming from the top cop of the land and believe it.

Mr.Bill

(24,238 posts)
53. Because Barr has the authority
Tue Sep 15, 2020, 04:55 PM
Sep 2020

to arrest, charge and indict people whether or not he proves anyone guilty in court.

ProfessorGAC

(64,852 posts)
66. He Can Indict?
Tue Sep 15, 2020, 06:06 PM
Sep 2020

I thought that's what grand juries are for.
In questioning, you're sure that the will find a majority to vote to indict when there is public evidence the investigation was started for cause?
Barr can't indict. He can only ask a grand jury to indict.
They don't get to pre-stack the jury, and Barr is not a terribly persuasive speaker.
I think you overestimate his powers.

BannonsLiver

(16,294 posts)
73. They weren't talking about Barr
Tue Sep 15, 2020, 09:31 PM
Sep 2020

They specifically said his “deplorable base” would believe it. Barr is an employee-co conspirator.

nolabear

(41,932 posts)
16. Agree. Get in front and knock the wind out of it.
Tue Sep 15, 2020, 02:22 PM
Sep 2020

Accuse them of politicizing the judicial system, as they have already done. Counter with facts and strong pushback. And push their illegal and immoral acts.

mysteryowl

(7,362 posts)
21. That was the topic of the 1-hour radio show!
Tue Sep 15, 2020, 02:29 PM
Sep 2020

AG Barr politicizing the justice department! Thanks, I forgot that part.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
8. If they start persecuting innocent Democratic leaders we must all arm ourselves
Tue Sep 15, 2020, 02:16 PM
Sep 2020

At least those of us who have not already done so.

mysteryowl

(7,362 posts)
17. I wonder will happen when Trump and Barr and all the rest are arrested?
Tue Sep 15, 2020, 02:22 PM
Sep 2020

Hopefully, the Dems will hold this administration accountable for the multiple crimes.

Yavin4

(35,421 posts)
22. No, but it should provoke a general strike.
Tue Sep 15, 2020, 02:32 PM
Sep 2020

If the blue state workers stay home, that would shut the entire country down.

TheRealNorth

(9,470 posts)
36. How is that gonna work?
Tue Sep 15, 2020, 03:18 PM
Sep 2020

A lot of people struggle to put food on the table and pay rent. You expect people to starve as we do a general strike?

It's not like there there is a geopolitical counterweight like there was back in the 1960's that would prevent Trump from brutalizing his opponents. Trump isn't interested in showing the world that we are the "good guys".

The point is, I don't know if the playbook from the 1960's is still applicable.

TheRealNorth

(9,470 posts)
41. But that isn't going to happen
Tue Sep 15, 2020, 03:44 PM
Sep 2020

a large percentage are on-board with Trump. We would be very lucky to get half the country to participate.

Furthermore, we will then be blamed for the economic pain, so its not like this will win us more supporters.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
14. That will be interesting
Tue Sep 15, 2020, 02:22 PM
Sep 2020

This isn't 2016 and Barr isn't James Comey.

If he tries this, it could very well blow up in his face.

GoCubsGo

(32,074 posts)
19. Yep, they're not fooling anyone.
Tue Sep 15, 2020, 02:25 PM
Sep 2020

Other than their brain-dead flying monkey cult followers. They think we're all stupid.

Cracklin Charlie

(12,904 posts)
25. The media fails us every day.
Tue Sep 15, 2020, 02:33 PM
Sep 2020

President traitor, drugs flying out his nose on camera, putting asylum seekers into long term caging at the border separated from their families, tax breaks for the wealthy, letting a deadly disease spread unchecked through vulnerable populations, breaks every law he contacts, and we get crickets.

AG Barr commissions a fictional account of someone’s fake transgressions that will get prime coverage up to the election.

Failure every day. Feature, not a bug.

JHB

(37,154 posts)
26. WAG: a lot of noise and fanfare, possibly some real charges over minor infractions...
Tue Sep 15, 2020, 02:33 PM
Sep 2020

Last edited Tue Sep 15, 2020, 05:37 PM - Edit history (1)

...with hints of "more to come," and basically blowing smoke in people's faces until the election.

And by smoke I mean the great fog bank of steam that rises off the Himalayas of Horseshit they put out.

And for those wondering, WAG = Wild Ass Guess.

kentuck

(111,052 posts)
27. I hear that the House may impeach Bill Barr in October?
Tue Sep 15, 2020, 02:37 PM
Sep 2020

Looks like he's trying to beat them to the punch?

Baitball Blogger

(46,682 posts)
32. Do you get the impression that he has a terminal problem
Tue Sep 15, 2020, 03:02 PM
Sep 2020

and he's throwing caution to the wind? Knowing that Trump will pardon him, whatever happens?

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
30. WOW, they are really desperate . .
Tue Sep 15, 2020, 02:50 PM
Sep 2020

Don't think the Democrats are not ready for this crapola, they are. Conservative media is the fake news.

treason barr, stone, Pompeo, mcturtle, graham, Johnson, et al all must face the music.

Baitball Blogger

(46,682 posts)
31. At some point we need to make adjustments to public figures being fair game,
Tue Sep 15, 2020, 03:01 PM
Sep 2020

and allow defamation lawsuits against the AG for politically targeting people.

Karadeniz

(22,470 posts)
47. I've been hoping lately that Obama would sue Barr and Trump immediately since many
Tue Sep 15, 2020, 04:39 PM
Sep 2020

Investigations have shown the truth. Just not fair.

Bettie

(16,071 posts)
39. No thinking person will believe any of it
Tue Sep 15, 2020, 03:29 PM
Sep 2020

but we've got a lot of non-thinkers out there and the media will be all over it with 'Well, did it happen? Could have, you never, know, both sides, etc.'

I do think that Barr is off the rails enough to try to make arrests.

Karadeniz

(22,470 posts)
46. Very unprofessional of the Post to publish a hit job on Obama, Biden, whomever the Barr
Tue Sep 15, 2020, 04:37 PM
Sep 2020

Brigade of shady investigations is probing...unless they refute the lies in the same article.

Spazito

(50,151 posts)
50. We don't know if the Post is....
Tue Sep 15, 2020, 04:50 PM
Sep 2020

We don't even know who the person was on NPR or even what they said, we only have some rather vague paraphrasing of what they thought they heard.

Until there is an actual published article we really don't know anything concretely, imo.

Mr.Bill

(24,238 posts)
55. Or Biden and Harris.
Tue Sep 15, 2020, 05:00 PM
Sep 2020

If you don't think they would do this, you haven't been paying attention.

These are the people who are dismantling the USPS right out in the open.

SoonerPride

(12,286 posts)
56. I could see that too.
Tue Sep 15, 2020, 05:01 PM
Sep 2020

But somehow I think his base would be more fired up to see Obama in chains.

Racists are like that.

Botany

(70,447 posts)
57. Fine then who or whomever is the target of this crap and just subpoena the Muller Report,
Tue Sep 15, 2020, 05:05 PM
Sep 2020

the FISA court's ruling that allowed the investigations, and lots of other stuff.

Good God in Butter when are we gonna get rid of these shits?

BTW a good lawyer should be able to tie up Barr and company with a prosecutorial
misconduct filing(s).

Oh Chairman Schiff do you want to come and testify?

hurple

(1,306 posts)
58. Maybe, just maybe
Tue Sep 15, 2020, 05:05 PM
Sep 2020

Getting word out that this is coming ahead of it coming will kill ot dead in its tracks.

I mean if you're planning to rob a bank, and somebody posts the plans to a billboard near the bank... do you still rob the bank?

bluestarone

(16,859 posts)
61. Doesn't surprise me in the least. Shouldn't surprise anyone here! After all that's the way
Tue Sep 15, 2020, 05:28 PM
Sep 2020

RUSSIA does it!!

Justice

(7,185 posts)
63. It will be smoke and mirrors, nothing firm but lots of drama
Tue Sep 15, 2020, 05:35 PM
Sep 2020

Enough to fill airways. It will die away after election, no matter who wins.

radius777

(3,635 posts)
69. Top prosecutor on Durham team resigned few days ago (likely in protest).
Tue Sep 15, 2020, 06:29 PM
Sep 2020
CNN:Nora Dannehy, top prosecutor on John Durham team, resigns
Trump hopes that Durham will discredit the origins of the FBI's Russia investigation into his 2016 campaign, and allies, including Barr, have questioned whether the Russians showed a preference for Trump in 2016. But the US intelligence assessment released last month threatens to undercut those goals, making clear the Russians are doubling down on their pro-Trump efforts to undermine Democratic nominee Joe Biden's 2020 campaign.
...
More likely, some officials believe, is a harshly critical report on the conduct and decisions of top intelligence and law enforcement officials who oversaw the investigation of the Trump campaign's ties to Russians.
...
Shapiro added that the interview occurred at CIA headquarters and Durham had told Brennan he is a witness and isn't a target of the probe, meaning they are not pursuing charges alleging wrongdoing by Brennan. Brennan told Durham that Barr has politicized Durham's investigation, and the former CIA chief asked why the agency's intelligence work on Russian election interference in 2016 is being scrutinized when it's been validated by the Senate Intelligence Committee and former special counsel Robert Mueller.


Barr/Trump are grasping at straws as 'spygate' only resonates with their crazed base, not anyone in the reality based community.
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