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RandySF

(58,662 posts)
Tue Sep 15, 2020, 09:26 PM Sep 2020

Cook: Trump's Ceiling Is Too Low for Him to Be Reelected

But this is also why those who are convinced that he will make a spectacular comeback are likely to be wrong as well. His standing is impervious to events. The vast majority of voters decided a long time ago whether they liked him or not, whether they would approve of his actions, and whether they would support his candidacy. For many voters, this cake is baked.

As for those who keep coming back to the nostrum that he won four years ago, proved everyone wrong, and can do it again: They ignore that this time, he doesn’t have Hillary Clinton as an opponent. While Clinton is an incredibly bright and accomplished person, she accumulated an enormous amount of political baggage during her quarter century on the national stage. Until the #MeToo movement arrived, her husband went through his career as if he had a Teflon coating—nothing stuck to him. But Hillary was Velcro; seemingly everything stuck to her.

Comparing how Hillary Clinton was perceived in the 2016 campaign with Biden now defies logic. The CNN poll taken at the beginning of September 2016 showed Clinton with 41 percent of registered voters giving her a favorable rating and 57 percent giving her an unfavorable rating, for a net favorability of -16 percent. Trump showed a 42-percent-favorable, 56-percent-unfavorable split, for a -14 net rating. The new CNN poll gives Biden a 48-percent-favorable, 43-percent-unfavorable rating for a net of plus-5 points. Trump’s current numbers are 40 percent favorable, 56 percent unfavorable—a net -16 points.

Obviously, we are talking about anticipating human behavior, which is always problematic. But given that voting has already begun in some states, Trump does not even have 54 days to make a comeback. Similarly, an October Surprise may need to happen in mid-September for it to have any impact. It is a good bet that a lot of votes will be cast before that first debate on Sept. 29.

I understand the caution that many in my business have after the surprising outcome in 2016, but the only way this year resembles 2020 is that they both are presidential years, Trump is the Republican nominee, and both years begin with a 2. That’s it. Alan Greenspan’s irrational exuberance has given way, in my mind, to irrational caution. This is not 2016.



https://cookpolitical.com/analysis/national/national-politics/trumps-ceiling-too-low-him-be-reelected

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Cook: Trump's Ceiling Is Too Low for Him to Be Reelected (Original Post) RandySF Sep 2020 OP
Yesssssssss, I want the biggest crushing in election history...... a kennedy Sep 2020 #1
THIS malaise Sep 2020 #4
At this point, if the earth were to open and swallow up the whole festering lot... bhikkhu Sep 2020 #29
a lopsided result just might convince his base to reexamine the "facts" that they get from Faux nooz Demovictory9 Sep 2020 #34
Yep! I predict: a 16 million vote margin for Biden, 390 electoral votes. We win! machoneman Sep 2020 #37
Makes a lot of sense! Thekaspervote Sep 2020 #2
'irrational caution.' elleng Sep 2020 #3
I like Charlie Cook's analysis of the political landscape still_one Sep 2020 #5
If they have some data or some sort of analysis to back up their call, show it. Yavin4 Sep 2020 #8
They don't. The JP Morgan jackass I was referring to was basing it on HIS observation of the still_one Sep 2020 #10
The debates won't matter a bit - everyone has already decided FakeNoose Sep 2020 #6
Great GIF! Poiuyt Sep 2020 #31
Finally! A pollster who uses the data to make a statement. Yavin4 Sep 2020 #7
Charlie Cook is a straight shooter Wanderlust988 Sep 2020 #9
Big fan of Charlie Cook BannonsLiver Sep 2020 #11
K&R betsuni Sep 2020 #12
To put it mildly... Blue Owl Sep 2020 #13
The fact that tRUMP lost the election in 2016, relying mainly on ratfucking, means that he can't abqtommy Sep 2020 #14
He still has a lot in place from 2016 BigmanPigman Sep 2020 #26
An October Surprise may need to happen in mid-September for it to have any impact. yortsed snacilbuper Sep 2020 #15
What about the other factors at play in 2020? Martin Eden Sep 2020 #16
Agree, this is the issue not factored by pundits radius777 Sep 2020 #18
Yep, this is why Cook's (and others) happy days act is problematic at best Celerity Sep 2020 #19
Don't become overconfident Shoonra Sep 2020 #17
Political junkie here TheDemsshouldhireme Sep 2020 #20
I have suspected this for a long time. He never gets above 43% even when things are going well. nt Quixote1818 Sep 2020 #21
very good analysis, agree with it for the most part. But BootinUp Sep 2020 #22
What is his ceiling in PA, WI, MI, AZ, FL etc. ? That is where it counts A LOT. nt Quixote1818 Sep 2020 #23
Good point.. honest.abe Sep 2020 #39
That's where the ceiling should be & into Cha Sep 2020 #24
NO COMPLACENCY!!! VOTE VOTE VOTE!!! Beartracks Sep 2020 #25
I still won't feel safe until he and Barr are rotting in prison. I'd love it if we turned him... NNadir Sep 2020 #27
Best of luck TallMike Sep 2020 #28
Yes, sheer ignorance, that's why I'm still very worried. OverBurn Sep 2020 #33
Wonder how many Republicans (in comparison to Dems) who lie on polls? summer_in_TX Sep 2020 #30
They will try every dirty trick they know struggle4progress Sep 2020 #32
K & R BadgerMom Sep 2020 #35
The Incredible Shrinking President. oasis Sep 2020 #36
That's what Stormy said: shrinking and mushroom-shaped! LOL machoneman Sep 2020 #38
Charlie Cook guaranteed victory for Hillary on Oct. 14, 2016. bullwinkle428 Sep 2020 #40
It would have been except for the Comey memo. honest.abe Sep 2020 #41

a kennedy

(29,642 posts)
1. Yesssssssss, I want the biggest crushing in election history......
Tue Sep 15, 2020, 09:30 PM
Sep 2020

A CRUSHING, A CRUSHING, A CRUSHING, A CRUSHING, A CRUSHING, A CRUSHING, A CRUSHING, A CRUSHING, A CRUSHING, A CRUSHING.

bhikkhu

(10,714 posts)
29. At this point, if the earth were to open and swallow up the whole festering lot...
Tue Sep 15, 2020, 11:43 PM
Sep 2020

I'd go on about my day. "It is what it is".

Of course that won't happen, but I'd be happy (and also somewhat more realistic about human nature) if people had to hide the crazy again, if it weren't ok to hate in public, and if all that hatred and crazy shit were no longer a part of our civil government.

Demovictory9

(32,443 posts)
34. a lopsided result just might convince his base to reexamine the "facts" that they get from Faux nooz
Wed Sep 16, 2020, 04:55 PM
Sep 2020

still_one

(92,110 posts)
5. I like Charlie Cook's analysis of the political landscape
Tue Sep 15, 2020, 09:37 PM
Sep 2020

I find it interesting when Wall Street analysts, especially from JP Morgan push that “don’t be surprised if trump wins”, as tough they have some magical insight that no one else has


Yavin4

(35,427 posts)
8. If they have some data or some sort of analysis to back up their call, show it.
Tue Sep 15, 2020, 09:44 PM
Sep 2020

Collect your data. Process it. Make your analysis. Show your work.

still_one

(92,110 posts)
10. They don't. The JP Morgan jackass I was referring to was basing it on HIS observation of the
Tue Sep 15, 2020, 09:49 PM
Sep 2020

protests, and internet betting sites


Pure garbage analysis

Yavin4

(35,427 posts)
7. Finally! A pollster who uses the data to make a statement.
Tue Sep 15, 2020, 09:42 PM
Sep 2020

Everyone else is hedging like mad because they're too afraid of being wrong on election night which makes their analysis worthless.

The weatherman whose forecast always calls for a 50% chance of rain is a terrible weatherman.

Wanderlust988

(509 posts)
9. Charlie Cook is a straight shooter
Tue Sep 15, 2020, 09:48 PM
Sep 2020

and has never come across with any biases. He's very careful too in his analyses and predictions. I agree with him that Trump's numbers are way too low to win without a third party candidate. Biden is close to, at, or over 50% in nearly every good poll I've seen. All Biden has to do is win 2-3% of the undecided vote and he'll get Obama's numbers in 2008 or more. This isn't nuclear science.

abqtommy

(14,118 posts)
14. The fact that tRUMP lost the election in 2016, relying mainly on ratfucking, means that he can't
Tue Sep 15, 2020, 10:03 PM
Sep 2020

be re-elected. If he ever wins a fair and secure election it'll be the first time.

BigmanPigman

(51,582 posts)
26. He still has a lot in place from 2016
Tue Sep 15, 2020, 11:13 PM
Sep 2020

and now he is paying trolls in the US (teens even), Putin has gotten better at sowing division, questions in election interference by the GOP and USPS, Fakebook spreading BS more than ever, etc. Americans are still as gullible/clueless as 2016 if not more so. I hope for the best and prepare for the worse.

Martin Eden

(12,859 posts)
16. What about the other factors at play in 2020?
Tue Sep 15, 2020, 10:21 PM
Sep 2020

As in voter suppression, sabotage of the Postal Service, and other forms of cheating.

radius777

(3,635 posts)
18. Agree, this is the issue not factored by pundits
Tue Sep 15, 2020, 10:32 PM
Sep 2020

who are looking it from 2 dimensional view, based only on numbers.

It's why we have to play the game as if it's tied and not rest on any lead we may (or may not) have.

We can't give up on trying to improve our message, reach out to all groups (such as Latinos and young people) who may not be as strongly behind us as we would like.

Because Trump/Barr/Russians/etc will do anything to retain power... anything.

Shoonra

(518 posts)
17. Don't become overconfident
Tue Sep 15, 2020, 10:29 PM
Sep 2020

The only poll that really matters is on November 3rd and Trump might still pull a rabbit out of the hat.

On Nov. 3, go and vote even if you have ro crawl through broken glass!

20. Political junkie here
Tue Sep 15, 2020, 10:38 PM
Sep 2020

and a PA resident in deep red part. Two things give me hope, looking at 2016 3rd party candidates got 200k votes in PA in 16, dont see that happening this year, hard to see Biden not got more of those votes than Trump. Also seeing more Biden signs by the day.

BootinUp

(47,135 posts)
22. very good analysis, agree with it for the most part. But
Tue Sep 15, 2020, 10:51 PM
Sep 2020

Hillary wasn't as bad of a candidate as he paints. The truth is that glass ceiling in this country is pretty damn thick. Lots of thick heads around too.

honest.abe

(8,649 posts)
39. Good point..
Thu Sep 17, 2020, 09:16 AM
Sep 2020

but I think what Cook is saying is if Trump cant get break out of the low 40's nationally then he simply can't win enough states to win the election. Of course this election is very different from any other so I suppose its possible for Trump to win by a hair in those few key states and get slaughtered in the other blue states which could result in losing the popular vote by a large (> 5%) percent. Not likely but possible.

Cha

(297,029 posts)
24. That's where the ceiling should be & into
Tue Sep 15, 2020, 10:59 PM
Sep 2020

the gutter.. slowly slowly Slowly.. until election day. Boom

NNadir

(33,509 posts)
27. I still won't feel safe until he and Barr are rotting in prison. I'd love it if we turned him...
Tue Sep 15, 2020, 11:19 PM
Sep 2020

...over to the Hague.

TallMike

(161 posts)
28. Best of luck
Tue Sep 15, 2020, 11:22 PM
Sep 2020

As a hair on fire lib-tard in a very, very red part of California, All I see is Trump this and Trump that. Antifa are collectively organizing and starting the fires. And OMG, the gooks, chinks, flips, women, gays, horse rustlers, claim jumpers and, wait for it... THE NIGGERS!
Never underestimate the power of sheer ignorance my friends.
Never...

summer_in_TX

(2,727 posts)
30. Wonder how many Republicans (in comparison to Dems) who lie on polls?
Wed Sep 16, 2020, 12:10 AM
Sep 2020

A Republican friend (well longtime friendly acquaintance) in my small town was on the local community radio station talking to Matthew Dowd, a pollster who once worked for George W. Bush and is a regular on ABC with George Stephanopoulos. He lives here and about once a week unless he's away he spends an hour talking about this and that including the political situation.

The Republican (retired military brass) who has a weekly breakfast group they call the "Deplorables" that meets at a local café, mentioned how much he enjoys lying to pollsters. Blew Matthew Dowd's mind.

That's the situation I worry about. Those who actively distort the polling. I don't know (but have my suspicions) that is more likely done by Republicans than Dems.

bullwinkle428

(20,629 posts)
40. Charlie Cook guaranteed victory for Hillary on Oct. 14, 2016.
Thu Sep 17, 2020, 09:25 AM
Sep 2020
One of the most respected election handicappers in the country says the presidential race between Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton is now “over,” with victory assured for Clinton, the Democratic nominee.

“Take a close look at the new Fox News poll,” tweeted Charlie Cook, publisher of the Cook Political Report.

“This race is OVER.”


https://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/301082-respected-election-handicapper-calls-election-for-hillary

The moral of the story : PLEASE DON'T TAKE ANYTHING FOR GRANTED!!
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