ALAS! I just found out that one of my all time favorite musicians is a Staunch Conservative

[pepperbear]

I love, love, LOVE this lady's work and I'm certainly not going to boycott the Beach Boys, but this breaks my heart.

One of all my time favorite bassists, the legendary Carol Kaye is BoogalooWakaWakaMumboJumbo CrayCray, and to make matters worse, her rant is a poorly written mess filled with half truths, false assumptions, and out and out lies.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=796930257710243&id=100021798276932&sfnsn=mo&extid=GpcDu2vHKrSA206F

[yankeepants]

1. I wished I'd never read this but thanks for the reality check. nt

[lagomorph777]

26. +1 Gives another meaning to the name "Wrecking Crew."

Very disappointing.

[Codeine]

2. Word salad.

Not doing the intellectual reputation of bass players any favors, Carol.

[msongs]

3. some interesting interview with her youtube. she has a bit of a shoulder chip nt

[Patterson]

8. I agree. As a musician, I greatly appreciate her contribution, but she is a snowflake.

[stopdiggin]

10. probably wrong word

it's your post -- but, in today's environment, I think I would have gone with "complete flake."

'N it's always a disappointment to find out someone we admire for their skills .. is not really somebody we'd chose as a neighbor (or family member). Sigh.

[zipplewrath]

4. Artists tend to be...

Easily swayed by the idea of the moment that is the most convenient. Just enjoy the art, ignore the vessel.

[brush]

7. Not really, artists and intellectuals are the ones dictators target for jailing...

because they are usually progressive. Obviously there are some exceptions.

[stopdiggin]

13. hmmm. think I'd put that one up for a vote.

Unconventional. Outside the box. Non-linear. I can think of a lot of descriptors I'd use before going to shallow or gullible.

[GReedDiamond]

5. Reminds of, Mo Tucker is a teabagger/trumphumper...

...Mo being the drummer of Velvet Underground, for those who may not know.

Not sure if she's a T-Humper, but prolly, I spose.

Plus, Carol Kaye played on a lotta stuff besides the Beach Boys, and, like you, I will continue to listen to those tunes too.

If I were gonna "boycott" the Beach Boys - whatever that means - it would be because of Mike Love.

[Withywindle]

14. I know that about Moe Tucker and that really breaks my heart.

I remember interviewing her for a zine in the early 90s and was thrilled to just be in her presence.

She wasn't like that then. At the time, she was a big union activist. She worked for Wal-Mart, and was up front about their abusive labor policies. I don't know what happened. I guess maybe the Fox News mindworm got her.

She and John Cale are the only original VU members left alive. (He is definitely NOT a Trump fan). It's very sad.

[ooky]

6. Scuze me while I go delete her material from my YouTube channel.

Damn good bass player, but sure drank the Fox News Kool-Aid in her golden years.

[Ron Green]

16. That'll be difficult; she played on just about everything.

She’s from the old school - lots of reactionary people in that age group. I’m guessing plenty of other “Wrecking Crew” players are wingers.

[ooky]

25. I'm not talking about the bands.

If she played on a particular record then that's that, but there is material on youtube about her recording sessions that are about her and Wrecking Crew session musicians specifically.

[Midnight Writer]

9. That's really sad.

[Progressive Jones]

11. Sad to read. nt

[Skittles]

12. I have never heard of her

but in any case, she sounds like she has severe mental health issues or else she's just a flat out racist

[Patterson]

17. She doesn't like when people have never heard of her.

[Skittles]

18. I imagine that is true of most, er, "legends"

[Mister Ed]

19. You've never heard of her, but you've definitely heard her.

She's the studio musician who played bass on a huge number of hits in the 1960's, from the "Batman" theme to the Grassroots' "Midnight Confessions to...well, the list goes on and on.

[Codeine]

27. She's on half the music recorded in the 60s.

At a certain point the musical ambition of The Beach Boys exceeded the ability of most of the members, so session musicians took care of a lot of the recordings. She’s probably most famous for that, but she’s on a shedload of records from back in the day.

[Withywindle]

15. I hate to even ask this, but...does she have dementia?

This is weird word salad. I hope she's getting help.

[luvs2sing]

20. As a fellow female bass player..

well...student..I followed her on FB for several years. I noticed that her posts slowly started devolving into random unhinged rants about how people hadn’t treated her right or honored her brilliance. She was furious about The Wrecking Crew movie. Hell, she was furious about everything. I decided a few years ago that she must have some mental health issues and unfollowed her.

[Le Roi de Pot]

22. Do you Follow Mohini Dey ? She is a phenom ..

Though I don't buy into her hype .. She is very good. She has toured with Steve Vai and Guthire Govan .. And has collaborated with Jordan Rudess ( I was heartbroken to learn John Petrucci is Trump Supporter)

Her solo begins around 1.57

[luvs2sing]

23. I haven't, but I will now.

Thanks for the recommendation!

[PCIntern]

24. Wow!

Thanks for that! Going to expand my music collection today.

[pecosbob]

21. You don't have to look very far to find immensely talented people who are also horrible individuals

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[OregonBlue]

28. Michelle Shocked really shocked me with her racist rant a few years ago. I loved her music but

haven't played it since. I know just how you feel. Sad.

[edhopper]

29. SAD

[cwydro]

30. Wow, she sounds nuts.

The bad grammar and odd capitalization makes her a good trumper I guess.

She had to kill her pets? Wtf was that about?

[Initech]

31. I listen to Neal Morse, and a lot of his music is downright religious.

Though he does have Mike Portnoy as his drummer, and Mike is an outspoken anti-Trump advocate, so that kind of makes me wonder which side of the fence he's on.

[Brother Buzz]

32. That is sad, and I offer an explanation, NOT an excuse

She's 85 and bitter about a ton of stuff, and people; she thinks she got short changed. I studied The Wrecking Crew ten ways to Tuesday, and followed up on a lot of the artists featured. Carol Kaye was one of them; she has a substantial YouTube footprint. I came to realize there was always an undercurrent of anger festering inside of her, and there were things she would not talk about.

She has had issues for a LONG time.

[pepperbear]

35. Actually you're right....

I was a FB friend, and I remember when the Wrecking Crew movie was released, she "drunk dial" posted about how Hal Blaine couldn't keep time to save his life and how Denny Tedesco was an egomaniac. It was incoherent and rambling, like this post. If only she knew how important she is to popular music. I wish she wasn't angry at the wrong people.

[Brother Buzz]

37. Actually, Hal Blaine had the huge ego, and there WERE songs he couldn't keep time to

Two instruments generally keep time to a song: The drums or the bass. And some songs dictate the bass lead, but Mr. ego, Hal could never, even do that. Ironically, Earl Palmer, who got Hal Blaine started, intuitively knew when to pass it to the bassist, and more times then not, it was Carol. Earl and Carol were tight, and I'm guessing it pissed Carol off that Hal's ego and relentless 'self promoting' sorta walked all over Earl's turf. And the kicker was, when Earl Palmer was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, he told the powers that be that Hal should be inducted, too. How's THAT for being a team player with an ego totally in check?

Denny Tedesco was just being Tedesco, the class clown. The entire Wrecking Crew had egos, and I'm guessing Tedesco's high jinx simple rubbed Carol the wrong way. It is what it is.

I guess we'll never know for sure, but the musicologists claim Earl Palmer recorded a lot more than Hal Blaine ever did. And to think he did all that session work just so he could afford to play Jazz drums, his genuine passion.

[pepperbear]

38. I'm a huge earl fan. Hal was great but he was too

Impressed with his own drum kit.

[Brother Buzz]

39. KISS was Earl's philosophy; he could finesse as much out of his simple drum kit as....

Mr. Ego, Hal Blaine could with his monster steroid drum kit.

Hal actually had two of these wheeled kits, both labeled "B" (that's another self promoting story), and had a permanent driver who hopscotched them from one studio to another.

[maxsolomon]

33. I felt sadness when I learned the same about Maureen Tucker

the drummer for the Velvet Underground.

RW Hate Radio and Fox News are powerful brainwashing tools, and they work on a lot of people, particularly as they age.

https://www.thebrainwashingofmydad.com/

[Norbert]

34. I was going to say the same thing.

Carol probably isn't as busy of musician any more being an octogenarian. This si a perfect setting for Rush, Sean and company. Carol got hooked. A long time friend of mine had the same scenario and he was brainwashed too.

I'd like to remember her for her accomplishments though, and there are many.

[Lady Freedom Returns]

36. I feel ya.

During the bushy administration I found out my beloved Meat Loaf is a Republican.