Is Trump Planning a Coup d'tat? The Nation

[superpatriotman]

Please read this and do a gut check:

https://www.thenation.com/article/society/trump-coup-elections-gop/

...participants formed the Transition Integrity Project, which includes campaign experts such as Michigan Democratic ex-governor Jennifer Granholm and Democratic Party consultant Donna Brazile, along with Steele and other old-guard GOP stalwarts. They fear that if mail-in votes are still being tabulated weeks after the election and—as seems increasingly likely—barrages of lawsuits are filed by the candidates’ campaigns, conditions could be ripe for Trump to create maximum mayhem...In their sobering 22-page report, they write of the potential for “escalating violence” if Trump loses and refuses to bow out gracefully. Given the administration’s record of embracing “numerous corrupt and authoritarian practices,” huge numbers of Americans must be ready to take to the streets should Trump and his henchmen try to illegally curtail the counting of mail-in ballots.

Trump has talked vaguely about the extraordinary powers he could seize during a putative national emergency. He has demanded—and largely won—increasingly politicized enforcement actions from the Departments of Justice and Homeland Security and other key agencies. And in recent weeks he’s leaned on legal advice from people such as John Yoo, an author of the infamous torture memos used by the George W. Bush administration, who advocates the use of executive orders to exert virtually unfettered presidential power.

Democracies survive when all major players respect the ground rules. They crumble when significant players start to flout those rules—and get away with it. Gerson has concluded that Trump is only too willing to circumvent Supreme Court decisions, is perfectly capable of issuing illegal orders to the military to attack domestic political opponents, and would likely show no compunction in ignoring an election result that doesn’t go his way. Each time he’s gotten away with crashing through a democratic constraint, his ambitions have escalated. During the impeachment hearings, Trump’s lawyers argued that as president, he was above and outside the law. Postimpeachment, he has sought to implement this theory of governance.

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[TEB]

1. He will attempt to with his lapdog billy Barr

[Miguelito Loveless]

2. I would say the plan is well under way.

[soothsayer]

3. Can he coup d' his own tat?

I think he’s currently the tat.

Oh I see, try to steal the election? We shall see. But I don’t think so.

[Hoyt]

4. No worried about that.

[Drunken Irishman]

5. No. And this fearmongering is getting ridiculous.

It's like we're trying to convince ourselves there's no way to win.

[Alacritous Crier]

6. Yes!

He and Barr are getting more and more unhinged daily. Even though he has his hardcore Cult45 nut jobs, the American public is seeing Trump for what he really is.

He's toast on Election Day!

[mitch96]

8. Or get our ducks in a row if he try's anything.. Being prepared can't hurt... nt

[Drunken Irishman]

11. What the hell are you and I going to do?

It's fine if the DNC wants to have their ducks in a row. It's a whole notha to push this to the voters and scare them into conceding no matter what they do on election day, Trump is going to declare victory anyway. There's no easier way to discourage people to vote than to constantly remind them over and over again that their vote won't count - or matter.

[doc03]

9. I think it is getting ridiculous. I have been around

here since 2003, there wasn't as much then but I remember similar talk when "W" was president. I also remember talk of "W" being a Nazi. People need to chill.
I think it was Micheal Cohan that said don't pay attention what he says it's just a distraction. As long as the MSM
Is talking about him stealing the election they aren't talking about COVID or a dozen other things.

[Drunken Irishman]

12. Absolutely it's a distraction.

He's trying to get everyone riled up and depress turnout for the Democrats and motivating his base to come out and support him.

But you're right. His constant playing about election fraud does three things:

1. It moves everyone off COVID.
2. It discourages Democrats from voting by mail - which is the easiest, most accessible way to vote (and helps drive up turnout).
3. Fires up his base so they come out and 'un-steal it' from the Democrats.

Oh and it adds another thing for him personally: when he loses, he can sulk about fraud and not have to concede he lost because he fucked up the COVID response.

What he gets is that a huge chunk of the party, even if that isn't the breakdown of DUers, lives in urban areas and their whole plan is to force Democrats to wait in line and vote for hours, hoping they'll give up.

[Cosmocat]

14. dude, michael cohen has said directly he won't leave office

"Michael Cohen predicts that Trump will 'never leave office peacefully' because he's terrified of being sent to prison"

https://www.businessinsider.com/michael-cohen-book-foreword-trump-will-never-leave-office-peacefully-2020-8

[Cosmocat]

13. I would say it is completely zeroing in on just how important is it is that we do win

You are a great poster here, but he IS going to challenge this election and his party and the tens of millions of braindead voters will back his play.

It is going to be a shit show.

[Drunken Irishman]

17. He's bluster. He won't challenge it.

[Cosmocat]

18. OK

nm

[TheRealNorth]

16. Frankly,

I am concerned that people that dismiss the possibility of Trump going full-Putin are going to be the ones that will meekly accept it because they will refuse to make the necessary sacrifices to stop him.

Thomas Paine would call this being a "Sunshine" Patriot".

[Drunken Irishman]

19. Frankly,

I think this type of fearmongering is going to depress turnout. if you keep telling people over and over again Trump is not going to leave peacefully, or he's going to steal the election regardless of ANYTHING we do, no matter how many of us vote, you're going to see a huge chunk of Democrats just say fuck it and not vote.

And that's what Trump wants.

I'm starting to think that's exactly what a lot of people here want too. Weird.

[superpatriotman]

21. What you are saying is 100 percent incorrect

Respectfully

[Drunken Irishman]

22. Not really. It's a tried and true method.

Keep telling people that even if they vote, Trump will refuse to leave and you'll find a lot of people who just don't seem to care.

[TheRealNorth]

24. Republicans seem to think fearmongering increases turnout

Look, there is a difference between saying it doesn't matter what you say or do because Trump is going to steal the election versus being prepared for the possibility that Trump could ignore the results.

This is going to be a fight... for people who are purged from the voter roles.... for people who are confronted by alt-right poll watchers.... for people who are going to be bombarded with false information. And after that, there probably will be challenges to throw votes out. And there may be attempts by state legislators in certain states to attempt appoint a different slate of electors from what was voted on under the pretense of "voter fraud".

[Celerity]

20. +1000

[Brother Buzz]

7. I can believe he will try, but I also believe, like everything he's tried in his life...

it will be a miserable failure. Hell, Trump et al, will end up doing most of the prosecutors ground work.

[TheRealNorth]

10. I am preparing for the possibility

I put the probability that he does try it at 60%. I was at 50-50 two weeks ago and around 25% in May.

[Cosmocat]

15. YEP - it upticks every day now

it IS going to happen.

[brooklynite]

23. No he won't because he can't

Trump doesn’t have the type of corrupt military leadership needed to resist the civil authority of the States that will say that Biden has won.

[TheRealNorth]

25. Trump has been quiety replacing military leadership for 2 years now

including USCentCom (Middle East), USEUCommand (Europe), and USNorthcom (North America) which have most of the forces.

In the military, you don't follow what retired generals say, you follow the commands from the top. It gets very dicey and unpredictable when those orders are ignored.