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Amishman

(5,554 posts)
1. Given 538's model and how it accounts for time until election, even steady polls should raise Biden
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 09:41 AM
Sep 2020

One of the interviews Nate gave mentioned that his model includes time until election as a moderating measure. A 10% lead six weeks out raises win probability much less than the same six days out.

Claustrum

(4,845 posts)
4. Yup. Basically, it's a republican/Trump bias that they put in
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 09:46 AM
Sep 2020

due to the fact that most presidential race tightens as it gets closer to election day. I think Nate said that if the model is only based on polling, Biden would have had 90% of winning while the chance at the time was around 70%.

Amishman

(5,554 posts)
5. In this scenario it is a pro Trump bias, but more accurately it is a bias towards the losing side
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 09:53 AM
Sep 2020

The model would be behaving the same way if the polls were switched.

I'm a huge nerd and data geek, I have a very favorable view of Silver's methodology.

Claustrum

(4,845 posts)
6. I like Silver's methodology and his reasonings toward the polling
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 09:58 AM
Sep 2020

He wasn't wrong in 2016. It is just that people took 70% chance of winning as if Hillary was a sure win. But it wasn't. If lottery has a 1-in-3 chance of winning, I would buy it in a heart beat. But real lottery chance is 1-in-a million.

When people believe that Trump had no chance lands more toward their emotion or their belief that Trump's actions and words are so bad that no one would vote for him. Of course, I would prefer to be on the 2-in-3 chance side, but that doesn't mean I would be winning for sure.

BComplex

(8,029 posts)
3. North Carolina is not going to go for trump, but he may try to steal it.
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 09:44 AM
Sep 2020

He just doesn't have the votes here.

BComplex

(8,029 posts)
9. Yes, I'm in NC. No real "proof", but I can tell you that the GOTV is big here this time,
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 10:29 AM
Sep 2020

and when that happens, republicans lose. Plus, there are a few people in my very red area that are making noises like they're thinking Biden might not be so bad after all.

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