Don't you dare fucking blame RBG for the shit show we find ourselves in.

[boston bean]

Blame fascists, blame cons, blame leftistS who thought Hillary was worse then trump.

Don’t anyone breathe even one faint hint that our condition is her fault.

[TreasonousBastard]

1. Nobody's blaming RBG. For anything.

[boston bean]

5. Oh yeah? Look around.

[TreasonousBastard]

28. I wondered who, then saw the "should have retired under Obama" bullshit...

Are these the same people blaming Woodward for not saving us from Covid?

Regretting that she was not replaced by an Obama appointee is normal. Not understanding that she would have been another Garland is forgivable. Putting any sort of blame on her is irresponsible bullshit and one sure sign of a troll.

[boston bean]

32. They aren't regretting anything. They are blaming her for not giving up

her seat.

That is disgusting.

[TreasonousBastard]

40. Isn't that what I said?

[boston bean]

48. No. Regret and blame are two very different things.

[TreasonousBastard]

51. I thought I made that clear.

[boston bean]

52. See post #46 in this thread and go take up some of their time.

[Demsrule86]

80. We had the Senate until 14...so no we could have gotten another Justice through. It was

her right of course. I don't blame her. I blame the 'but her email' crowd who didn't vote for Hillary.

[TwilightZone]

12. There are a few.

They're of the "she screwed us because she didn't retire under Obama" banner.

It's nonsense, of course, and it shouldn't be taken seriously. That doesn't mean it's not happening. I can't really condemn them - everyone is pretty stricken at the moment.

[TreasonousBastard]

31. I think it's trollery. Just the sort of thing the Kremlin would come up with.

[boston bean]

34. Then why are you so concerned with someone stating how wrong it is?

Instead of going after that bullshit? Hmmm,mmm

[TreasonousBastard]

43. Where am I not going after the bullshit?

[boston bean]

45. You're spending a lot of time in this thread trying to say how it means nothing or isn't happening.

[TreasonousBastard]

54. I'm spending most of my time in this thread trying to explain to you why I am not the...

bad guy here.

I'm thinking that may be a waste of time.

[boston bean]

55. Again, if you need proof of my point go see #46 in this thread.

Good evening.

[TreasonousBastard]

59. See for yourself-- it's been removed.

[boston bean]

61. I saw it obviously. The post called her selfish.

Let me see... was that regret or blame ....

[TreasonousBastard]

64. That's blame. Regret is being sad at what happened regardless of fault.

[boston bean]

74. Right. And I provided evidence of which I speak.

[muntrv]

2. Thanks Jill Stein!

[LiberalLoner]

3. She is a hero.

According to Jewish tradition, a person who dies on Rosh Hashanah, which began tonight, is a tzaddik, a person of great righteousness. Baruch Dayan HaEmet.

[Eliot Rosewater]

4. Blame "gonna have to hold my nose to vote for her" they alone ...oh fuck this shit

She was a GREAT PATRIOT and I a mad as hell...

[JI7]

20. And you know those fucks didn't actually vote for the democratic candidate

[Eliot Rosewater]

22. Yeah, some of them STALK ME on certain political sites...I NEVER respond to them, drives

em nuts, I am not saying where this happens, by the way.

[Demsrule86]

7. I don't blame her. It was those who did not vote for Hillary and promoted Stein. But, I would be

lying if I didn't admit, I wish she would have retired in 13 when we still had the Senate.

[StevieM]

41. Gary Johnson also took more votes from Hillary than he did from Trump.

He was a bigger factor than she was.

Not that I will ever focus on that part of the election. We lost because of James Comey's antics. He dominated that election from start to finish.

[Demsrule86]

76. Nope it was stein and the green left that did this...they took votes from Hillary. They took

enough that she lost.

[StevieM]

82. I don't dispute that Stein took votes away. Here is what I do dispute:

1) The belief that Gary Johnson was a non-factor. He took more votes from HRC than he did from Trump.

2) The minimization of James Comey's actions. He absolutely cost us that election, more than all other factors put together IMO. He devastated her three times. First by publicly placing her under FBI investigation in the middle of an election. Then by holding that destructive July press conference. Finally by turning the election upside down at the end when he re-opened the investigation with less than two weeks to go.

Without Comey's antics we would have destroyed Trump. Stein (and Johnson) only made the difference in a close election, which is bad of course. But Comey dominated the election from start to finish. And he deliberately destroyed the once-solid reputation of the Democratic nominee. Nobody is more to blame than he is for Donald Trump's ascension to the White House.

[sheshe2]

8. Who is saying that?

I am a little confused here.

[boston bean]

10. She should have resigned under Obama bullshit.

[BigmanPigman]

9. I don't see anyone on DU blaming her.

[boston bean]

15. Then you need to read more threads.

[JI7]

17. I did

[jimlup]

11. I think we maybe have just enough time...

Happy Rosh Hashsanah!

I may be wrong but I think we've made it. WE won't know for quite awhile unfortunately.

[Mister Ed]

13. No, don't dare.

I've already heard that there are those who say she should've resigned while Obama was still president. Well, we've seen what happened when Obama appointmented a justice 3/4 of the way through his term.

[JI7]

14. Anyone who didn't vote for Gore and Hillary in 2000 and 2016 is not a liberal, progressive or gives

a shit about women's rights plus much more.

[lunatica]

16. No one here will blame her for anything.

On the contrary.

[boston bean]

19. Oh yeah? I must not know how to read.

[lunatica]

26. You don't need to pick a fight with me

We’re on the same side.

Just ignore the blamers. Don’t give them a minute of your time. Fuck them.

[boston bean]

29. I am honoring RBG. And I am not picking a fight with you.

[lunatica]

49. I know

[boston bean]

50. Look at post #46 in this thread.

[lunatica]

53. F#*@ that response!

That IS irritating as hell!

[USALiberal]

58. lighten up! nt

[boston bean]

62. You have any other orders for me? nt

[USALiberal]

63. LOL, who STARTED giving orders?????????? nt

[boston bean]

66. LOL. You Lighten up, then.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

18. I don't blame her

But I do blame so called leftists like Ralph Nader and Jill Stein

[LakeArenal]

21. She is great. No one got to decide but her.

She did well. We will make it.

Thanks Ruth. We will have to take it from here. ❣️🇺🇸❣️

[TwilightZone]

23. Don't take them seriously.

I agree that it's nonsense, but frustration is going to manifest in myriad ways. Everyone is pretty stricken at the moment.

[RockRaven]

24. This mess is entirely of Americans' making. Some more than others.

RBG less than almost everyone else.

It's not like McConnell didn't refuse to confirm a SCOTUS nominee during Obama's second term. For all we know there just would have been a second Garland/Gorsuch.

[Codeine]

25. I blame only those on the Left who refused

to vote for Clinton. Republicans are going to do their thing regardless; blaming them is like blaming a dog for barking.

[dawg day]

27. I blame "DINOS" who just couldn't bring themselves to vote for a strong woman

Yes, I'm thinking of you BC and you LR especially.
"I just... don't trust her. So I wrote in Martin O'Malley."

I just don't trust YOU, BC and LR!

[mcar]

30. This!

This disaster is on the heads of anyone who voted for Jill Stein because "that woman!"

[bluestarone]

33. Hell if Americans fought like RBG. did

We would win this election by 90%!!!! LOVE HER and we ALL need to fight like she did!!!

[boston bean]

44. Oh yeah all this shit is her fault. Get a grip.

She didn’t have to retire. None of this is her fault. Zero. Zip. Nada.

[FBaggins]

36. Recognizing that it was a mistake to stay when Obama could have replaced her...

... is not "blaming" her.

You can respect and honor her 1000% and still admit that she made a mistake.

She could still be proven right if her passing inspires a rising up of citizens and shames McConnel/Trump away from doing what we all fear they are about to do... but now we can only hope.

[boston bean]

37. No. She didn't need to resign under Obama. Wtf?!

[FBaggins]

56. Obviously she didn't "need" to

But she should have.

That doesn't take one ounce from the weight of what she contributed to the nation (including after that point)... and it doesn't "blame" her. Much more blame goes to those who put Trump and McConnel in the position to replace her. But we can wish that she had been more strategic. Not as much as we wish her to survive another decade or more... but still.

[boston bean]

60. Why in 2014-15 she had a crystal ball of trump and her death?

Why is this in any way her fault?

There is a lot to blame. One thing not to I blame is RBG.

[FBaggins]

67. You were around DU in 2012-2014

She was a giant... but she was rolling close to 80 and had already faced cancer twice.

The second time was pancreatic cancer (which reportedly is what eventually caught up to her) just 3-5 years earlier. Reportedly... the 5-year survival rate for that is about 50/50.

So yes... from the moment Obama was sworn in with a solidly Democratic Senate... there were large numbers of Democratic court watchers who expected her to retire in the following two years (just as there are watchers on both sides who expect Thomas to retire in the next two years if Trump/McConnel somehow retain control).

[boston bean]

68. Yeah, I was around. Still it is not her fault for where we find ourselves today.

[FBaggins]

69. Of course it isn't her fault

Which is why you keep getting told that nobody (ok... let's say "few" ) are BLAMING her.

But we can still wish that she had taken advantage of the opportunity to enjoy a well-earned retirement.

[boston bean]

71. Ok then why bring it up? Why all the she didn't do this or that. If she had, what?

And because she didn’t what?

If it’s not her fault then period it is not her fault.

[qazplm135]

70. I think it doesn't take a crystal ball

To know there was a decent chance a republican would win in 2016.

It was a mistake but we are where we are now and have to make our way forward.

[boston bean]

72. A mistake. The mistake was America's not Ruth Bader Ginsburg.

[qazplm135]

78. Little of both

I think.

[boston bean]

79. No. Not her fault in any way shape or form.

[qazplm135]

83. I have no problem lionizing her

She deserves it, but sorry not going to deify her.

She made a bad choice. So did some Americans in voting for Trump. You can argue more blame goes to the latter and I'm fine with that, but not going to agree that sticking around was a good choice.

[boston bean]

84. I am sorry but putting blame on her in equity with blame for trump, turns my stomach.

[qazplm135]

85. I mean I just said

You could more blame on the people who voted for Trump so pretty sure that's a pretty blatant mischaracterization of what I just said.

[boston bean]

86. I am not into blaming Ginsburg for anything but having a wonderful mind.

A great honor and service she gave to this country.

Blaming her for the place we find ourselves in in this country truly just makes me sick.

[qazplm135]

87. Ok

Well sorry it makes you sick.
I can hold both the idea that she was great and she made a bad call in my head at the same time.

[boston bean]

88. She was a feminist and to state she should resign when she was not ready

Also rubs me the wrong way.

Nothing happening to our country right now is the fault of any decision she made. To say it is, is truly is stomach churning.

[RhodeIslandOne]

65. The proper word is retirement

Stop trying to weaponize it like it would have been a failure or a firing.

Breyer should have considered it too if Hillary had been rightfully elected. 80 years old is a good time to retire.

[bullwinkle428]

75. How do you know McTurtle wouldn't have pulled the same shit he did

with Merrick Garland?

[FBaggins]

77. Because he was in the minority?

He didn't have the power to pull it.

[robbob]

38. Hey, IF she had retired in 2014 Obama could have filled the seat, but...

hindsight is 20/20. Did anybody in 2014 seriously think we would be in this shitshow we are currently living in? If she had waited until 2015 McConnell would have blocked any new nomination (we actually KNOW this for a fact). The world is full of Monday morning quarterbacks. God bless, peaceful passage RBG, and fuck ANYBODY who would blame her for ANYTHING. She fought the good fight. Who could have predicted tRump and the clusterfuck he has brought to America?

[dewsgirl]

39. WTF? No one said anything of the sort.

[Dennis Donovan]

42. Um... wut?

Perhaps calm down?

[boston bean]

47. Umm wut? You calm down.

[Codeine]

57. Read the room, dude. nt

[Dennis Donovan]

90. Read most of the replies to this OP, Sparky...

[bullwinkle428]

73. You'd have to be the same kind of fucking monster that would call disabled

and K.I.A. troops "suckers" and "losers", if you in any way blame RBG for the state we're in as a nation right now.

[Demonaut]

89. wtf are you talking about, get a grip