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Dear Susan Surandon (Original Post) zipplewrath Sep 2020 OP
Thanks for reminding me...She is very much responsible for this as is EVERY Person who EVER Eliot Rosewater Sep 2020 #1
I would outright say it demtenjeep Sep 2020 #2
I typed both my adult kids that might introduce me to one of those people and making clear to them LizBeth Sep 2020 #8
She did her part for sure still_one Sep 2020 #3
They can go chug shit dustyscamp Sep 2020 #4
No need to stop there. This goes all the way back to Nadar MaryMagdaline Sep 2020 #5
it's like election night 2016... stillcool Sep 2020 #6
Every single one of them. Everyone I argued with 2015, 2016 who called themselves progressive, LizBeth Sep 2020 #7
Add me to the FU co-sponsor list pandr32 Sep 2020 #9
Tens of millions of non voters would like a word Sympthsical Sep 2020 #10
To be quite honest zipplewrath Sep 2020 #11
+1. Sarandon is an alt-left accellerationist radius777 Sep 2020 #18
Many Stein voters were never Democrats -- we never had their votes. Earthshine2 Sep 2020 #12
Likewise zipplewrath Sep 2020 #13
This population? They are not some homogenious group. They are decentralized without organization. Earthshine2 Sep 2020 #16
I don't care about organization zipplewrath Sep 2020 #17
You give them far too much credit and power. Earthshine2 Sep 2020 #20
I give them little credit at all,except for stupidity. zipplewrath Sep 2020 #22
No, it implies that you are making it all about you. Earthshine2 Sep 2020 #24
Agree completely leighbythesea2 Sep 2020 #15
This is what people who voted for Jill Stein wanted. In fact I bet many actually voted Trump JI7 Sep 2020 #14
Don't forget Eddie Glaude jr. Trumpocalypse Sep 2020 #19
Yes, FU & FO Forever. Cha Sep 2020 #21
She said Hillary was more dangerous than Trump. A warmonger. betsuni Sep 2020 #23
Every Jill Stein voter, just like every Ralph Nader voter in 2000, created this situation DirkLerxst Sep 2020 #25

Eliot Rosewater

(31,106 posts)
1. Thanks for reminding me...She is very much responsible for this as is EVERY Person who EVER
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 08:45 PM
Sep 2020

uttered the hold my nose or both sides.

LizBeth

(9,952 posts)
8. I typed both my adult kids that might introduce me to one of those people and making clear to them
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 08:52 PM
Sep 2020

that if I ever hear one speak, I will be in their face with just that, til the day I die.

stillcool

(32,626 posts)
6. it's like election night 2016...
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 08:51 PM
Sep 2020

after all the crap that's gone on, the surreal effect of that night is like a yard stick, by which I gauge my horror.

LizBeth

(9,952 posts)
7. Every single one of them. Everyone I argued with 2015, 2016 who called themselves progressive,
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 08:51 PM
Sep 2020

and I stated SC every time and not one had the timidity to acknowledge the SC as they whined, but HRC.

Sympthsical

(9,038 posts)
10. Tens of millions of non voters would like a word
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 08:56 PM
Sep 2020

Why are they forever let off the hook on these things?

Trump won by 80,000 votes in three states.

80,000, not all of them Stein supporters to put it generously, vs tens of millions who didn’t care.

But Sarandon is the arch villain here.

Semi-retired Hollywood actresses have far more power than I ever imagined.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
11. To be quite honest
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 09:37 PM
Sep 2020

The Stein voters I knew would have never voted for HRC. But, Sarandon helped create a narrative that suggested that HRC losing was a long term success. We'll never know how many people that influenced but it was not helpful. I was not big on HRC, but it was so clearly preferable to the alternative that I was frustrated with the "frustated liberal opposition". Sometimes one must eat a shit sandwich to survive. And really, she was just a non-GMO sandwich.

radius777

(3,635 posts)
18. +1. Sarandon is an alt-left accellerationist
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 10:41 PM
Sep 2020

who believed Trump winning would 'bring about the revolution'. Of course she could advocate for such an irresponsible positon from a place of privilege.

Earthshine2

(3,949 posts)
12. Many Stein voters were never Democrats -- we never had their votes.
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 09:41 PM
Sep 2020

A lot of them are just so fed up with "the system" that they'd never vote for anything Dem or Rep.

Stein just gave them a place to go.

I've met a few.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
13. Likewise
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 10:10 PM
Sep 2020

I've never met a Stein voter that would have voted for HRC. Sarandon appealed to a larger population. None the less, this population made a calculation that was flawed. And they need to be challenged upon it.

Earthshine2

(3,949 posts)
16. This population? They are not some homogenious group. They are decentralized without organization.
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 10:24 PM
Sep 2020

They are people on the fringe.

Rather than chastise this small number of people, I think a better use of energy would be using positive messages aimed at getting out the vote of registered Dems and Indies.

I know people who liked Stein. None of them did so because of Sarandon.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
17. I don't care about organization
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 10:33 PM
Sep 2020

I perceive a collective point of view regardless of coordination. Look, I have friends that were Stein voters. It caused no small issue within my social group. None the less, the lesson is that people on this "fringe" need to understand what they have accomplished and people like me are probably better positioned to explain it. And none the less, explain it we must do. Elections have consequences.

Earthshine2

(3,949 posts)
20. You give them far too much credit and power.
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 10:54 PM
Sep 2020

>> I perceive a collective point of view regardless of coordination.

You give yourself too much credit here.

>> Look?

I don't like your writing style. It reeks of personal ego.

Your points are not made.

Good luck pursuing your friends who obviously don't care what you have to say.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
22. I give them little credit at all,except for stupidity.
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 11:05 PM
Sep 2020

>> I perceive a collective point of view regardless of coordination.

>You give yourself too much credit here.

Hmmm. It implies I am part of the collective which is not true. Maybe it is your "writing style".



Earthshine2

(3,949 posts)
24. No, it implies that you are making it all about you.
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 11:25 PM
Sep 2020

There is too much ego in your words for me to continue this conversation.

leighbythesea2

(1,200 posts)
15. Agree completely
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 10:14 PM
Sep 2020

The Stein voters i know were never Dems in the first place. All Republicans. Anecdotal but my two cents.

betsuni

(25,380 posts)
23. She said Hillary was more dangerous than Trump. A warmonger.
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 11:07 PM
Sep 2020

Yet I haven't heard her say anything about the fact that the Trump administration has done more air and drone trikes in one year than the Obama administration did in eight. And she was worried about fracking. How's the Trump administration on that?

And that nonsense about a revolution!

 

DirkLerxst

(32 posts)
25. Every Jill Stein voter, just like every Ralph Nader voter in 2000, created this situation
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 11:28 PM
Sep 2020

Alito and Roberts are on the court because of Nader.

Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, and soon Barrett will be on the court because of Stein.



Everyone who voted for her created this.
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