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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDear Susan Surandon
Dear Jill Stein:
This is what you have wrought.
FU
Eliot Rosewater
(31,106 posts)uttered the hold my nose or both sides.
demtenjeep
(31,997 posts)FUCK YOU
LizBeth
(9,952 posts)that if I ever hear one speak, I will be in their face with just that, til the day I die.
still_one
(92,061 posts)dustyscamp
(2,223 posts)MaryMagdaline
(6,851 posts)stillcool
(32,626 posts)after all the crap that's gone on, the surreal effect of that night is like a yard stick, by which I gauge my horror.
LizBeth
(9,952 posts)and I stated SC every time and not one had the timidity to acknowledge the SC as they whined, but HRC.
pandr32
(11,553 posts)Sympthsical
(9,038 posts)Why are they forever let off the hook on these things?
Trump won by 80,000 votes in three states.
80,000, not all of them Stein supporters to put it generously, vs tens of millions who didnt care.
But Sarandon is the arch villain here.
Semi-retired Hollywood actresses have far more power than I ever imagined.
zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)The Stein voters I knew would have never voted for HRC. But, Sarandon helped create a narrative that suggested that HRC losing was a long term success. We'll never know how many people that influenced but it was not helpful. I was not big on HRC, but it was so clearly preferable to the alternative that I was frustrated with the "frustated liberal opposition". Sometimes one must eat a shit sandwich to survive. And really, she was just a non-GMO sandwich.
radius777
(3,635 posts)who believed Trump winning would 'bring about the revolution'. Of course she could advocate for such an irresponsible positon from a place of privilege.
Earthshine2
(3,949 posts)A lot of them are just so fed up with "the system" that they'd never vote for anything Dem or Rep.
Stein just gave them a place to go.
I've met a few.
zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)I've never met a Stein voter that would have voted for HRC. Sarandon appealed to a larger population. None the less, this population made a calculation that was flawed. And they need to be challenged upon it.
Earthshine2
(3,949 posts)They are people on the fringe.
Rather than chastise this small number of people, I think a better use of energy would be using positive messages aimed at getting out the vote of registered Dems and Indies.
I know people who liked Stein. None of them did so because of Sarandon.
zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)I perceive a collective point of view regardless of coordination. Look, I have friends that were Stein voters. It caused no small issue within my social group. None the less, the lesson is that people on this "fringe" need to understand what they have accomplished and people like me are probably better positioned to explain it. And none the less, explain it we must do. Elections have consequences.
Earthshine2
(3,949 posts)>> I perceive a collective point of view regardless of coordination.
You give yourself too much credit here.
>> Look?
I don't like your writing style. It reeks of personal ego.
Your points are not made.
Good luck pursuing your friends who obviously don't care what you have to say.
zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)>> I perceive a collective point of view regardless of coordination.
>You give yourself too much credit here.
Hmmm. It implies I am part of the collective which is not true. Maybe it is your "writing style".
Earthshine2
(3,949 posts)There is too much ego in your words for me to continue this conversation.
leighbythesea2
(1,200 posts)The Stein voters i know were never Dems in the first place. All Republicans. Anecdotal but my two cents.
JI7
(89,240 posts)Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)Cha
(296,848 posts)betsuni
(25,380 posts)Yet I haven't heard her say anything about the fact that the Trump administration has done more air and drone trikes in one year than the Obama administration did in eight. And she was worried about fracking. How's the Trump administration on that?
And that nonsense about a revolution!
DirkLerxst
(32 posts)Alito and Roberts are on the court because of Nader.
Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, and soon Barrett will be on the court because of Stein.
Everyone who voted for her created this.