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Hard to Trust This Nation's Ability To Hold The Line of Keeping Whatever Democracy That Exist. We wish Joe and Kamala much luck and will VOTE for both of them 11/3 --- However, we are realizing the reality that this might be our last vote on U.S. shores.
It just got that serious this evening for our Family. Period.
ZZenith
(4,115 posts)LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)We refuse to live in the US with a Trump Supreme Court and Another Presidency -- as Peace of Mind is worth more than if Democracy cannot hold with the end results 11/3.
Take care...
ZZenith
(4,115 posts)you dont deserve it.
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)Have a Targets on our heads/necks/backs/house/walking/running/living/breathing in this NATION already and we NEVER asked to be here nor did our Ancestors. We will be DAMNED if we allow another Election of Donald Trump to take us and our Culture completely out in this nation.
You fight for it. We have been historically beaten and in-slaved for it. It was NEVER OURS to begin with --- as in 3/5th of a Human Being so check that privilege before replying back. #REALTALK
ZZenith
(4,115 posts)No way in hell Im going to bug out. Nowhere in the world is going to be safe if they arent stopped here.
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)We have a Family to Protect. This Country that was never our home - outside of forwarding one LAST VOTE to save whatever "Democracy" is alleged to exist here - is the last THING we are willing to do.
ZZenith
(4,115 posts)LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)Because, you are not. Next....
Maraya1969
(22,464 posts)we will win!
SlogginThroughIt
(1,977 posts)I get it stay and fight. But the reality is why are our children to be subjected to the fight? Honestly... To what? Maybe get the same idilic past we had that is all founded on racism bigotry and breaking the backs of laborers?
Why should our kids be subjected to fighting for things that should be rights? I am tired of raising my kids believing that this is a great place to live when it very fucking clearly is not! They are getting shot in schools, watching black men get killed on tv weekly, president lying while the country dies and so much more.
No fuck that. I have no ill feelings towards someone who is doing something fir the benefit if his family. If I did then I would be like those trumpers wanting to stop people coming here.
HipChick
(25,485 posts)LakeArenal
(28,806 posts)We moved to Costa Rica last year in Sept.
Political reasons were not a factor at the time. However, we are thankful. We feel we got here and settled, our application for residency entered just in the nick of time.
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)Good to hear!
Nevilledog
(51,031 posts)LakeArenal
(28,806 posts)A year here Sept 1. We are in paradise. My journal has a couple of threads about it.
In the mountains near a volcano over looking Lake Arenal.
Come see us first chance you get.
Nevilledog
(51,031 posts)Important for packing purposes.
LakeArenal
(28,806 posts)Once we get residency we wont have too.
Since lockdown we have not been required to renew.
LakeArenal
(28,806 posts)LakeArenal
(28,806 posts)Budi
(15,325 posts)The more serious moment will be in gettiing the Senate & House majority on Nov 3rd.
Those seats are less contestable than President. Which Trump will certainly do.
We absolutely need the Senate & House.
Nov 3 determines everything as to leaving or staying.
Tough decision no one should have ever had to make.
Best to you & your loved ones, & I sincerely mean that.
I doubt you're alone in your thinking tonight.
~peace
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)Until then....let's vote 11/3 and hope for the best.
Budi
(15,325 posts)We do all the good we can & for as long as we can.
Be like RBG ~
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)This!
Budi
(15,325 posts)..you will stay in touch with us.
Some of us may need some future advice...🥂
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)As long as the Internet exist in the US.
Budi
(15,325 posts)I'd like Canada but it is a damned hard process getting in there.
I almost left after Trump was selected in 2016.
Family talked me out of it.
I kind of regret it today.
Canada was an easier entry at that time. Now, not so much. 🙁
Ugh.
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)There's a Way. There is a belief many nations' will see the impossible clusterfuck the "United States of America" has become and has been since 2009. Let us be clear - the Election of Barack Obama was AMAZING. Equally, in 2009, we begun to see the backlash of America's RACIST Past and Present in how Barack Obama was treated and judged. Frankly, we don't know why he or his family put up with the shit, in light of how much a RACIST SOB named Donald Trump has been able to get away with.
Either way, back to the point. Americans seeking Refugee status will have to HUMBLE themselves. Come to the realization that America was NEVER GREAT. Accept that this nation does not WALK ON WATER or have any pillar of DEMOCRACY. Never has as it as always been a show -in different stages of the game. Trying to hold on to ideas that was never true from the Original Constitution - "All Men Are Created Equal". That's BS.
So, yes -- there will be some counties that will take SOME Americans. They will have to move quick after this election --- if the worse happens. We are PREPARED to do just that.
Suggestion - if you are not already prepared - research the refugee policy of the Country sought and be ready to go. Like at the end of November tops.
And remember, there is a WILL, there is a WAY.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,309 posts)LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)Is there a reason not to be honest is a dishonest nation built based on dishonestly, human bondage, slavely and lies?
if this honestly is too much, there are many other posts to read. Many of them.
Yavin4
(35,423 posts)The virus remember.
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)There is a way.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)should bounce. This nation is a joke. A sick, violent, racist joke.
It's quite ok to plan & prepare.
👍
Better to be prepared and at least have some options.
triron
(21,984 posts)Luckily I live in NM which is very blue. Since I am 74 and everything i love and hold dear is here
I will stay put.
Dial H For Hero
(2,971 posts)LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)But we are used to being there and look forward to living there, if necessary.
Budi
(15,325 posts)I love my America but I worry about the future here for my little grandkids.
I would like to have another home for them in a friendlier freer country. In case they chose to join me someday.
Just a thought, I guess.
Night 🍃
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)Take Care, Be Safe!
LakeArenal
(28,806 posts)Costa Rica gets perturbed when we say we are Americans. So are they.
We are from the US.
Budi
(15,325 posts)And yes, it is a true statement.
Thanks..