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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhy not impeach Trump again and Barr before the election?
Why not?
We have more evidence than before.
elleng
(130,861 posts)KeepItReal
(7,769 posts)Trumps entire MO is "who's gonna stop me?"
It needs to be us. Right now.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)PTWB
(4,131 posts)They wont convict so why waste the political capital?
KeepItReal
(7,769 posts)That's how we ended up with Trump in the first place - always backing down from challenging these rabid right wingers.
"Wasting political capital" is DC lobbyist-speak.
How much political capital have we banked over the last 5 years? What can we spend that on? Already safe seats in Congress?
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)uponit7771
(90,335 posts)Zak112234
(12 posts)At best all impeachment ever was, was a symbolic sign of resistance.
Without control of the Senate there was never any practical purpose for the impeachment beyond giving our side something to rally behind
Skittles
(153,142 posts)Democrats did their sworn duty against a "president" gone rogue, it's an ENTIRE POLITICAL PARTY (repukes) that put party above country.
Zak112234
(12 posts)....it's still just a formal accusation that was never going to be investigated seriously by the Senate
KeepItReal
(7,769 posts)Trump is forever IMPEACHED.
Acting like it means nothing helps HIM.
Zak112234
(12 posts)?
KeepItReal
(7,769 posts)Trump's in the history books forever as being impeached for extortion of Ukraine (abuse of power) and obstruction of Congress.
Apparently, we're lucky we even got that.
BGBD
(3,282 posts)He's still in power. That is all that matters.
We're favored to win this election, but doing something like that would be one of the few things that might upend that.
Do you have the 66 votes to take him out? If not, this is an awful idea.
Zak112234
(12 posts)History books a decade down the road saying that congress formally accused him of abuse of power doesn't accomplish anything of value.
Being able to pull out a history book, point to a section on Trump and say "that guy was a real piece of shit, he was even impeached" doesn't matter when he's still in the presidential office
Skittles
(153,142 posts)CORRECT
onenote
(42,687 posts)Sure that matters to historians, but it doesn't matter to a large segment of the population.
TwilightZone
(25,456 posts)The primary intent was to expose Trump, but the vast majority of people picked a side re: Trump long ago, some decades ago. We knew that the Senate was never going to convict. Assertions to the contrary were just wishful thinking.
Welcome to DU.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)
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herding cats
(19,559 posts)What did I miss?
NanceGreggs
(27,813 posts)... two months away from an election, that's why.
KeepItReal
(7,769 posts)He just admitted on tape to deception on COVID-19. 200K+ Americans are dead because if it.
Is that impeachable or not?
If your first thought is about an election, you just lost the moral high ground. And Trump loves it. He thinks, "if I'm so guilty, then why didn't someone stop me?" Just like he said about Bob Woodward writing a book instead of raising an alarm.
Trump shouldn't be salivating over a Supreme Court pick, he should have been retaining lawyers for another impeachment defense.
NanceGreggs
(27,813 posts)Because what we need right now is a distraction from an election we're poised to win.
What we need is to put our energy into an impeachment process, instead of putting our efforts into electing Joe Biden.
Newsflash: Most people already know what Trump admitted to on tape - and they are not the least surprised. People who don't know what he admitted to on tape don't give a fuck what he said or what he's done - they're voting for him anyway.
Starting a second impeachment process - which takes time and effort to put a case together - will only come across as desperation on the part of the Dems and their allies. They can't make the case for why he shouldn't be re-elected, so they've had to resort to this.
By the time an impeachment case is solidified and ready to move forward, the November election will already be in the past tense.
If your first thought is about an election, you just lost the moral high ground.
I would say that if your first thought is that a second impeachment would achieve anything, you've lost all perception of what this election is about, i.e. voting the fucker out.
Silver Gaia
(4,542 posts)Codeine
(25,586 posts)Meaningless posturing is dumb.
JI7
(89,244 posts)JT45242
(2,260 posts)There would be no chance of any Republican senators growing a spine ,but it would potentially put abroad block on judicial nomination hearings.
BGBD
(3,282 posts)Win the election. Win the the White House. Win the Senate. Expand the Majority in the House.
If you don't remember. The last time we tried to impeach him it didn't work. Even worse, he declared himself "VINDICATED" and everyone bought it. His approval ratings hit a highmark for his presidency just after.
You could impeach Trump, if you want to make sure he serves another four years.....or 12. Who knows.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)I don't know why people think slamming our heads into this identical brick wall is going to produce better results.
Vinca
(50,258 posts)It would be a useless exercise and only gin up his base. At this point our best bet is to make sure he's ousted so he can pay the piper as Individual One . . . among other criminal cases.
UTUSN
(70,674 posts)kentuck
(111,076 posts)Have the Articles in the pocket for after the election.. If he wins, give the Repubs one more time to redeem themselves and to do something for the country. There is no doubt in my mind but that he will be impeached at some point in his second term, if he wins. Why not do it early?
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)Play like it's going to be yet another thing he can flout.
Then use inherent contempt and have him arrested. Ideally, keep him jailed until Inauguration Day.