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sl8

(13,720 posts)
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 11:35 AM Sep 2020

Humans Wiped Out Two-Thirds of the World's Wildlife in 50 Years

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/humans-wiped-out-two-thirds-worlds-wildlife-50-years-180975824/

Humans Wiped Out Two-Thirds of the World’s Wildlife in 50 Years

Threats to global biodiversity are also threats to humans, experts warn

By Nora McGreevy
SMITHSONIANMAG.COM
SEPTEMBER 16, 2020

Two major reports released this month paint a grim portrait of the future for our planet’s wildlife. First, the Living Planet Report from the World Wildlife Fund (WWF), published last week, found that in half a century, human activity has decimated global wildlife populations by an average of 68 percent.

The study analyzed population sizes of 4,392 monitored species of mammals, fish, birds, reptiles, and amphibians from 1970 to 2016, reports Karin Brulliard for the Washington Post. It found that populations in Latin America and the Caribbean fared the worst, with a staggering 94 percent decline in population. All told, the drastic species decline tracked in this study “signal a fundamentally broken relationship between humans and the natural world,” the WWF notes in a release.

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Humans Wiped Out Two-Thirds of the World's Wildlife in 50 Years (Original Post) sl8 Sep 2020 OP
So profoundly sad. SharonClark Sep 2020 #1
Give them a few more years and humans will be wiped out too ... seriously. n/t RKP5637 Sep 2020 #2
Good progress Loki Liesmith Sep 2020 #3
Agent Smith : CrispyQ Sep 2020 #4
Indigenous People were in harmony with the world. Kid Berwyn Sep 2020 #6
It seems to be a part of the human condition, CrispyQ Sep 2020 #7
The empires are now corporate. Kid Berwyn Sep 2020 #8
Wow. They took this right out of the republican playbook. CrispyQ Sep 2020 #12
Pre-historic humans are thought to have caused the extinction of many species. Kaleva Sep 2020 #38
Exactly misanthrope Sep 2020 #40
"Wake me when we kill the plankton." Kid Berwyn Sep 2020 #5
We can solve these problems, but ignorance and anti-intellectualism gets in the way. hunter Sep 2020 #9
Maybe plastics will get the rest. moondust Sep 2020 #10
My adult son was reading scientific journals on climate change and I got a call last night. LizBeth Sep 2020 #11
It's a difficult conversation. I just tell mine that there is hope and it's never to late for humans iluvtennis Sep 2020 #13
I do the same. Mine has no want to bring a kid into the world. A generation of aware young people LizBeth Sep 2020 #15
My two have the same sentinment as yours...they don't want children. But I tell them, iluvtennis Sep 2020 #29
I can't say that any more when my son puts up the possibility of him not living out his full life, LizBeth Sep 2020 #31
I feel you. Sending a hug. iluvtennis Sep 2020 #32
Lol... And this, is what we do with the kids. Yup. Losing my ACA in middle of covid I ask my Trump LizBeth Sep 2020 #33
I'm 54 I_UndergroundPanther Sep 2020 #34
That is what choice is all about. LizBeth Sep 2020 #35
I chose because I_UndergroundPanther Sep 2020 #37
First step to any meaningful change is realizing the true situation at hand. roamer65 Sep 2020 #24
Any of the thinking young people certainly agree. When they cannot even see themselves getting LizBeth Sep 2020 #25
Has anyone else noticed that there are no bugs on the car headlights anymore rainin Sep 2020 #14
We had that conversation too, and yes, I have noticed, we do not have to clean our windshields of LizBeth Sep 2020 #16
So, because of these conversations regardless of my fears, I stirred up the courage just now to LizBeth Sep 2020 #18
LOL We stopped killing spiders when we learned they help with mosquitos. rainin Sep 2020 #19
Lol. So, mosquitos. I was reading last night to catch up some to son conversation and they are LizBeth Sep 2020 #21
And, of course, they will be diseases previosly unknown, difficult to diagnose, and impossible rainin Sep 2020 #27
+1 LizBeth Sep 2020 #28
The mosquito species I know of misanthrope Sep 2020 #41
Lots of water in the NW. LizBeth Sep 2020 #43
I understand the PNW's wet reputation but you wrote: misanthrope Sep 2020 #44
Because I did not want to go into all the explanation of what they say will happen with climate LizBeth Sep 2020 #46
Yes. This year the front of the car has been pretty bug free. roamer65 Sep 2020 #22
Same here NickB79 Sep 2020 #26
I have noticed a precipitous decline in moths and other nocturnal flying insects misanthrope Sep 2020 #42
Kick dalton99a Sep 2020 #17
Richmond Valentine from "Kingsman" (2014) roamer65 Sep 2020 #20
Karma's gonna be a bitch. nt Nay Sep 2020 #23
Agriculture Department's 'Wildlife Services' Killed Nearly 1.5 Million Native Animals in 2018 StarryNite Sep 2020 #30
Fucking big agriculture I_UndergroundPanther Sep 2020 #36
Humanity as known to people now alive is toast. PufPuf23 Sep 2020 #39
Every person holding elective office ought to read the novel "The Green King." DFW Sep 2020 #45

CrispyQ

(36,446 posts)
4. Agent Smith :
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 11:46 AM
Sep 2020
I'd like to share a revelation that I've had during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species and I realized that you're not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment but you humans do not. You move to an area and you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed and the only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet. You're a plague and we are the cure.

CrispyQ

(36,446 posts)
7. It seems to be a part of the human condition,
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 12:10 PM
Sep 2020

the competitive world view vs the cooperative world view. You're on your own vs we're in this together.

We watched "Capital in the 21st Century" a few nights ago. Wow. Very interesting documentary. There was a scene about an experiment done with a Monopoly game. They had two players and they flipped a coin. One player got to roll two dice & collect $200 when they passed GO, & the other player only got to throw one die and collect only $100 when they passed GO. Obviously, with such a skewed playing field the player with the advantaged advanced quickly. And in every case, every single one, the winning player turned into a jerk. Some were big jerks and some were just jerkish, but they all took an opportunity to boast about their winning. At the end of the game not one winner said that they won because they won the coin flip—they all claimed they won through superior playing skills.

Kid Berwyn

(14,862 posts)
8. The empires are now corporate.
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 12:55 PM
Sep 2020

Thank you for the heads-up on “Capital in the 21st Century.” You probably know, “The Corporation,” an analysis of the antisocial and even sociopathic behavior by the organized looters.



The bastards are accelerating the ruination of our blue sphere, truly an Eden in space. For money.

Did you hear what the mining company Rio Tinto recently did in Australia to a continually occupied 46,000 year old cave system and its rock art? For iron.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jun/16/rio-tinto-repeats-apology-for-blasting-46000-year-old-rock-shelter-to-expand-mine

Greedheads. For shame.

CrispyQ

(36,446 posts)
12. Wow. They took this right out of the republican playbook.
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 01:43 PM
Sep 2020
“That’s why we haven’t apologised for the event itself, per se, but apologised for the distress the event caused.”




The Corporation should be required viewing. Revoking corporate personhood would go a long way to reining in these behemoths. The founders never meant for corporations to have Constitutional rights like We the People. I had social studies, civics, and American problems in my elementary & secondary education and I never heard of corporate personhood until I read about it in a letter to the editor about five years after high school. So much we should teach our kids but don't.

Meet the Corporation - The Sierra Club

I'm not big on the Bible, but that phrase about love of money being the root of all evil sure rings true.

Kaleva

(36,293 posts)
38. Pre-historic humans are thought to have caused the extinction of many species.
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 10:41 PM
Sep 2020

The Mayan civilization is believed to have collapsed because it had overtaxed the local environment. There is also evdence the same fate befell the Ancestral Puebloans.

"Others suggest that more developed villages, such as that at Chaco Canyon, exhausted their environments, resulting in widespread deforestation and eventually the fall of their civilization through warfare over depleted resources."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancestral_Puebloans#Migration_from_the_homeland

misanthrope

(7,411 posts)
40. Exactly
Tue Sep 22, 2020, 04:10 AM
Sep 2020

We are the same primates we've been for the last 150,000 years. We just acquired more powerful tools to wreak our destruction.

Kid Berwyn

(14,862 posts)
5. "Wake me when we kill the plankton."
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 11:50 AM
Sep 2020

Said the repuglian. Like a runaway diesel locomotive, human stupidity.

hunter

(38,309 posts)
9. We can solve these problems, but ignorance and anti-intellectualism gets in the way.
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 01:12 PM
Sep 2020

Universal realistic sex education works. Free birth control works. Educating and empowering women works. Raising people out of poverty works.

Personally I think we should be paying people to experiment with lifestyles having very small environmental footprints.

What we now call economic "productivity" isn't productivity at all, it is in fact a direct measure of the damage we our doing to earth's ecosystems and our own human spirit.

LizBeth

(9,952 posts)
11. My adult son was reading scientific journals on climate change and I got a call last night.
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 01:29 PM
Sep 2020

He has been reading these papers and having conversation for years but last nights conversation was very disheartening and has stuck with me since. Him talking about this and so much more and how long he has in his lifetime with all that is happening and the stupidity of people. It was such a sad conversation as he considered his and younger folks future.

I was curious how others handle these conversations with their adult kids. Looking at their future and saying they have only so long and won't have the same kind of future that we all have.

iluvtennis

(19,844 posts)
13. It's a difficult conversation. I just tell mine that there is hope and it's never to late for humans
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 02:24 PM
Sep 2020

to start to do the right thing. We gotta have hope or else you feel lost.

LizBeth

(9,952 posts)
15. I do the same. Mine has no want to bring a kid into the world. A generation of aware young people
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 02:31 PM
Sep 2020

that think it is horribly irresponsible to experience the joys of having children. So many of the young kids do not talk about a future with family, but that they adamantly will not have a child with what we create in our greed, stupid, uncaring.

iluvtennis

(19,844 posts)
29. My two have the same sentinment as yours...they don't want children. But I tell them,
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 04:52 PM
Sep 2020

"never say never", things change in life.

LizBeth

(9,952 posts)
31. I can't say that any more when my son puts up the possibility of him not living out his full life,
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 05:23 PM
Sep 2020

as it is.

LizBeth

(9,952 posts)
33. Lol... And this, is what we do with the kids. Yup. Losing my ACA in middle of covid I ask my Trump
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 06:00 PM
Sep 2020

family, while talking to son about his life expectancy. How am I suppose to feel about you people?

Waiting for one to answer.

I_UndergroundPanther

(12,463 posts)
37. I chose because
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 10:32 PM
Sep 2020

I didn't think the world would be around too long.

My father was an asshole but he knew stuff and showed me what exactly was changing. Basically he told me about climate disruption. There was no particular name for what he showed me,but he knew. How he knew I'm left to wonder.

He had a clearance in the military. He told me alot of stuff. And sadly a significant portion of what he told me has come to pass.

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
24. First step to any meaningful change is realizing the true situation at hand.
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 03:32 PM
Sep 2020

The longer we delay, the less the carrying capacity of the planet when any solution is found.

I am extremely glad I don’t have children right now. I strongly encourage young people not to have them.

LizBeth

(9,952 posts)
25. Any of the thinking young people certainly agree. When they cannot even see themselves getting
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 03:36 PM
Sep 2020

to old age, not going to encourage them to have kids.

rainin

(3,010 posts)
14. Has anyone else noticed that there are no bugs on the car headlights anymore
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 02:30 PM
Sep 2020

My car headlights used to be covered with bugs. The windshield, too. Now, there are none. Ever. There is mud, and bird droppings, but no bugs.

LizBeth

(9,952 posts)
16. We had that conversation too, and yes, I have noticed, we do not have to clean our windshields of
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 02:33 PM
Sep 2020

bugs. I can remember when, just driving out of town a short distance into the fields we would have to make a stop to clean off windshield. Or a bug is coming and splat.... eeeew. And we do not have that now.

LizBeth

(9,952 posts)
18. So, because of these conversations regardless of my fears, I stirred up the courage just now to
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 03:05 PM
Sep 2020

"capture" a bee? flying bug and put it outside instead of killing it, lol. That is big, but I have to do my part. .

rainin

(3,010 posts)
19. LOL We stopped killing spiders when we learned they help with mosquitos.
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 03:17 PM
Sep 2020

It's our observation that mosquitoes haven't been impacted by climate change. Ugh!

But, thanks for doing you part

LizBeth

(9,952 posts)
21. Lol. So, mosquitos. I was reading last night to catch up some to son conversation and they are
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 03:21 PM
Sep 2020

saying the NW with dry and increased heat will start being impacted with disease carrying mosquitos and ticks. Some will always survive. My son says our food supply will be cricket guts, or something. Highest protein. He said we will not lose the crickets because will be easy producing to feed us. What a world.

rainin

(3,010 posts)
27. And, of course, they will be diseases previosly unknown, difficult to diagnose, and impossible
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 03:48 PM
Sep 2020

to treat. I'm just being a happy optimist right now. All this cheery news is the 2020 curse. Or is "2020 curse" redundant?

misanthrope

(7,411 posts)
41. The mosquito species I know of
Tue Sep 22, 2020, 04:16 AM
Sep 2020

like heat but can't breed without water. A dry environment wouldn't seem to suit a creature that needs H2O to foster larvae.

misanthrope

(7,411 posts)
44. I understand the PNW's wet reputation but you wrote:
Tue Sep 22, 2020, 02:57 PM
Sep 2020

"– the NW with dry and increased heat will start being impacted with disease carrying mosquitos –"

Though the heat might be in favor of more mosquitoes -- although mosquitoes can be found further north than the PNW as is -- dryness would seem to work against that.

LizBeth

(9,952 posts)
46. Because I did not want to go into all the explanation of what they say will happen with climate
Tue Sep 22, 2020, 03:08 PM
Sep 2020

change in the Northwest. Yes, we have lots of water. And yes it is going to get more dry here, and hotter during the summer months. Our springs are very wet. (I keep editing to add more information to try and nip the ongoing posts.)

Both can be true statements.

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
22. Yes. This year the front of the car has been pretty bug free.
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 03:21 PM
Sep 2020

I am now utterly elated when I see a bumblebee.

kinda elated.

NickB79

(19,233 posts)
26. Same here
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 03:48 PM
Sep 2020

Very few bugs compared to 30 yr ago, and I live in a rural farming area.

Too much insecticide and not enough fallow land.

misanthrope

(7,411 posts)
42. I have noticed a precipitous decline in moths and other nocturnal flying insects
Tue Sep 22, 2020, 04:25 AM
Sep 2020

I live in the rainiest city in the U.S.. The environment is wet and hot, basically a swamp. Our outdoor lights used to have loads of insects around them throughout the steamy summers, so much so that we had geckos on the roof of the carport who ate well all summer long by chasing those that lit on the ceiling.

Over the last seven years or so, the bugs have all disappeared. We don't see them or the geckos anymore.

The love bugs, a species of march fly common to this stretch of the coast would appear in the late summer marking the arrival of hurricane season's height. They were so numerous you would have to clean off your car nearly daily before their acidic guts wreaked havoc on the paint job. Those have waned, too, in the last decade.

Numerous yellow butterflies would appear in September, migrating southward for the oncoming winter. They are more rare now than in previous decades.

StarryNite

(9,442 posts)
30. Agriculture Department's 'Wildlife Services' Killed Nearly 1.5 Million Native Animals in 2018
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 04:59 PM
Sep 2020

WASHINGTON— The arm of the U.S. Department of Agriculture known as Wildlife Services killed nearly 1.5 million native animals during 2018, according to new data released by the agency this week.

The multimillion-dollar federal wildlife-killing program targets wolves, coyotes, cougars, birds and other wild animals for destruction — primarily to benefit the agriculture industry. Of the 2.6 million animals killed last year, nearly 1.5 million were native wildlife species.

“I’m outraged that the Department of Agriculture continues to needlessly slaughter our important native wildlife,” said Collette Adkins, carnivore conservation director at the Center for Biological Diversity. “There’s simply no scientific basis for continuing to shoot, poison and strangle more than a million animals every year. Even pets and endangered species are being killed, and it has to stop.”

According to the latest report, the federal program last year intentionally killed 357 gray wolves; 68,186 adult coyotes, plus an unknown number of coyote pups in 361 destroyed dens; 515,915 red-winged blackbirds; 338 black bears; 375 mountain lions; 1,002 bobcats; 173 river otters plus 537 killed “unintentionally”; 3,349 foxes, plus an unknown number of fox pups in 133 dens; and 22,521 beavers.

More at link:

[link:https://biologicaldiversity.org/w/news/press-releases/agriculture-departments-wildlife-services-killed-nearly-15-million-native-animals-in-2018-2019-06-04/|

I_UndergroundPanther

(12,463 posts)
36. Fucking big agriculture
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 10:28 PM
Sep 2020

Fucking greed fuck the big farms and the murderous Dept. Of agriculture.

We need small farms that are ecologically sound and not abusive to the animals.

Wish Biden would do something about that.

PufPuf23

(8,764 posts)
39. Humanity as known to people now alive is toast.
Tue Sep 22, 2020, 02:51 AM
Sep 2020

Only questions in a population crash is how fast and brutal and how much is self inflicted and how much is nature doing its thing.

DFW

(54,330 posts)
45. Every person holding elective office ought to read the novel "The Green King."
Tue Sep 22, 2020, 03:05 PM
Sep 2020

Of course, then they'd think the guy was crazy..............

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