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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,739 posts)
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 12:47 PM Sep 2020

Trump doubts Ruth Bader Ginsburg's dying wish, claiming Democrats wrote it

Donald Trump has attempted to cast doubt on Ruth Bader Ginsburg’s dying wish, baselessly claiming a statement released by the supreme court justice’s family was written by Adam Schiff, Nancy Pelosi or Chuck Schumer, prominent Democrats in Congress.

The move is likely to anger many who will see it as disrespectful to the millions of Americans mourning Ginsburg’s death, as well as a tasteless attack on the legacy of the pioneering woman justice.

Ginsburg died on Friday, from pancreatic cancer at the age of 87. NPR reported that she had dictated a statement to her granddaughter.

“My most fervent wish is that I will not be replaced until a new president is installed,” it said.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-doubts-ruth-bader-ginsburgs-dying-wish-claiming-democrats-wrote-it/ar-BB19g9bx?li=BBnb7Kz

Always the asshole

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Trump doubts Ruth Bader Ginsburg's dying wish, claiming Democrats wrote it (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Sep 2020 OP
shithole has called RBG's family liars . . Iliyah Sep 2020 #1
Filthy mouth montanacowboy Sep 2020 #2
Fuck HIM spanone Sep 2020 #3
Ditto malaise Sep 2020 #7
If there was HD video with stereo audio of her saying this on her death bed Liberal In Texas Sep 2020 #4
Well I don't believe HE was ever actually elected prez either! Therefore he can't napi21 Sep 2020 #5
Cokie Roberts said there were witnesses. Kid Berwyn Sep 2020 #6
RBG dictated the statement to her granddaughter, who then created a computer document CottonBear Sep 2020 #8
Presidential Slander Under The Radar Sep 2020 #9
You'd think an 87 year old world-class legal scholar would have put something like that in writing Azathoth Sep 2020 #10
I find your inference offensive. not_the_one Sep 2020 #11
Sorry. It happens to be objectively true Azathoth Sep 2020 #14
You are implying that she selfishly remained on the bench? Under The Radar Sep 2020 #17
Yes. She showed the exact same selfishness Lautenberg did Azathoth Sep 2020 #19
Obama had a Republican Senate that rejected all of his nominees Under The Radar Sep 2020 #21
Uh, wrong. Dems not only held, but increased their majority in the Senate in 2012 Azathoth Sep 2020 #22
It was a public interview that she made in Obama's last term Under The Radar Sep 2020 #12
That's different from the claim that this was her final request Azathoth Sep 2020 #15
Being the astute jurists that she was... Under The Radar Sep 2020 #16
Let me see if I have this right... Azathoth Sep 2020 #18
One more time. Under The Radar Sep 2020 #20
He is absolutely repulsive. smirkymonkey Sep 2020 #13

malaise

(268,693 posts)
7. Ditto
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 01:06 PM
Sep 2020

He's a detestable creep - can't wait for people to bury their dead before he spews more undiluted fuckery. puke:

Liberal In Texas

(13,531 posts)
4. If there was HD video with stereo audio of her saying this on her death bed
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 12:58 PM
Sep 2020

he'd still call it Fake.

And his cult followers would believe him.

napi21

(45,806 posts)
5. Well I don't believe HE was ever actually elected prez either! Therefore he can't
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 01:01 PM
Sep 2020

be reelected, but just kicked out of th WH as another vegrant.

Kid Berwyn

(14,795 posts)
6. Cokie Roberts said there were witnesses.
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 01:05 PM
Sep 2020

Last edited Wed Sep 23, 2020, 01:16 PM - Edit history (1)

In a TV interview, she said family and friends were in the room when Justice Ginsburg made the request and will so attest.

CottonBear

(21,596 posts)
8. RBG dictated the statement to her granddaughter, who then created a computer document
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 01:15 PM
Sep 2020

of the statement, and the immediately read it back to RBG, in order to make sure it was correct. The granddaughter is a lawyer, BTW, and she was interviewed NPR this morning. I heard the interview.

Azathoth

(4,607 posts)
10. You'd think an 87 year old world-class legal scholar would have put something like that in writing
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 01:21 PM
Sep 2020

Rather than waiting to make it verbally on her deathbed like some poor soul who's been in a car accident and is dying by the side of the road.

Not that it would matter to the Trump party, but at least it would be *something*.

Azathoth

(4,607 posts)
14. Sorry. It happens to be objectively true
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 01:36 PM
Sep 2020

There are lawyers who make much of their living doing estate litigation, contesting wills and deathbed bequests and fighting with executors and so forth. A leading law professor and Supreme Court justice would know this.

Not only did she pointedly refuse to retire when we could have replaced her, she didn't even memorialize in writing her last desire to be replaced by the next president. She gave us nothing to work with.

Under The Radar

(3,401 posts)
17. You are implying that she selfishly remained on the bench?
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 02:07 PM
Sep 2020

You are either too young or too stupid to know that she continued to work while receiving chemo therapy on 4 different occasions over 12 years. She stayed only because she knew she wouldn’t be replaced by a liberal justice.

Azathoth

(4,607 posts)
19. Yes. She showed the exact same selfishness Lautenberg did
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 02:13 PM
Sep 2020

She was 80 years old when Obama was sworn in for his second term. By then she had accomplished absolutely everything a legal scholar could, including a firm place in the history books. But she wouldn't even entertain the idea of retiring while a progressive replacement could be guaranteed.

Under The Radar

(3,401 posts)
21. Obama had a Republican Senate that rejected all of his nominees
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 02:37 PM
Sep 2020

For 6 of his 8 years in office. The tea Party swept into office in Obama’s 2nd year. RGB was 77 then.

Azathoth

(4,607 posts)
22. Uh, wrong. Dems not only held, but increased their majority in the Senate in 2012
Tue Sep 22, 2020, 10:33 AM
Sep 2020

We didn't lose the Senate until 2014.

There was a reason *every* serious person started asking RBG polite questions about her retirement plans the day after that election.

Under The Radar

(3,401 posts)
12. It was a public interview that she made in Obama's last term
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 01:30 PM
Sep 2020

....that her desire to go into retirement would have to wait because the McConnell lead senate would never confirm a progressive/liberal justice. She said that before Scalia died which of course led to the Garland clusterfudge.

Azathoth

(4,607 posts)
15. That's different from the claim that this was her final request
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 01:41 PM
Sep 2020

The point is not that she wanted to be replaced by a progressive justice, which everyone knows, but that she made this her final request to her family and her country.

The least she could have done was write it down in case something happened to her, so we'd have *something* to waive at the GOP, instead of listening to Trump call her family liars.

Under The Radar

(3,401 posts)
16. Being the astute jurists that she was...
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 01:57 PM
Sep 2020

...I am certain that she knew fair well that her personal wishes had no legal bearing on her replacement and by making her wishes to her family alone, she was cognitive to the end, fully aware and accurately predicted that an immoral and power starved group of men would treat her death as a monumental occasion to strengthen their grip on the civil rights of women and minorities and further the stranglehold of right wing fascism over the rest of us.
She probably could have even predicted that it would be only two republican women that would heed her wishes.
Writing her death wish as announcement to the world to have it publicly shit on would have been an embarrassing mistake that I am sure she recognized

Azathoth

(4,607 posts)
18. Let me see if I have this right...
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 02:10 PM
Sep 2020

You're saying that because her dying wish had no legal weight (true), and was instead a political request designed to pressure the GOP to do the right thing, and because she would feel embarrassed if they ignored it, she decided not to write it down and instead she gave it to her family verbally so they could go out and be attacked as liars and partisans by the Trump GOP.

Really?

Under The Radar

(3,401 posts)
20. One more time.
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 02:20 PM
Sep 2020

She has made clear why she remained on the court several times. She tells her family privately, she didn’t call a press conference.
She wasn’t a politician, she kept her political opinions private throughout her career. So why would you think that she should have given a press release or a press conference to try and force her political wishes?
That would be beneath her. She never made decisions based upon the political winds of the day and she never imposed her beliefs beyond her vote from her seat on the bench.

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