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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsGasping For Air: Autopsies Reveal Troubling Effects Of Lethal Injection
https://www.npr.org/2020/09/21/793177589/gasping-for-air-autopsies-reveal-troubling-effects-of-lethal-injectionSnipped to get to the nut of it:
"I began to see a picture that was more consistent with a slower death," he says. "A death of organ failure, of a dramatic nature that I recognized would be associated with suffering."
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The froth was a clue: It meant that the inmates were still alive and trying to breathe as their lungs filled with fluid, because froth could form only if air was still passing through the lungs. It also meant that the pulmonary edema was being caused by the first drug given during a lethal injection, since the second drug, a paralytic, stops the inmate's breathing altogether.
Now, an NPR investigation has expanded the scope of this evidence of pulmonary edema significantly. A review of more than 200 autopsies obtained through public records requests showed signs of pulmonary edema in 84% of the cases. The findings were similar across the states and, notably, across the different drug protocols used.
Dem2theMax
(9,651 posts)FBaggins
(26,737 posts)because the other options don't fit. It isn't an accident... or natural causes... or unknown... or suicide.
Mariana
(14,857 posts)Telling such obvious lies doesn't help eliminate capital punishment.
Dem2theMax
(9,651 posts)Last edited Tue Sep 22, 2020, 01:50 AM - Edit history (1)
Homicide. There, are you happy?
And how dare you call me a liar. That has no place on this board.
BigmanPigman
(51,591 posts)they don't froth. Why are they doing it this way with people? Do they want people to suffer but not pets? Sick.
OAITW r.2.0
(24,482 posts)Never easy, but I saw no suffering. Just a quite end. Like how I'd want to go.....
BigmanPigman
(51,591 posts)I am still crying every day but I know she didn't suffer.
OAITW r.2.0
(24,482 posts)they become part of the family. When their quality of line flatlines, it has to be totally misery for them and they can't verbalize it. We give them final comfort as they exit. What better, more humane way?
Mariana
(14,857 posts)If the prisoners were visibly frothing at the mouth during executions, no one would have to read autopsy reports to find out about it. The witnesses would see it happening.
Sgent
(5,857 posts)drugs on people vs animals. Many non-US jurisdictions don't allow the export of drugs for use in capital punishment, limiting which drugs can be used in the US. Even many US drug companies won't knowingly sell for that purpose.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,857 posts)I have been with cats when they've been euthanized, and it's very quick. Why can we do this with cats and dogs and not with humans?
Disaffected
(4,554 posts)This entire business of lethal injection has been a cockup from the outset.
IMO China has the most "humane" method (if there has to be one which there shouldn't) - single bullet to the nape of the neck.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,857 posts)as a "humane" way of execution.
Disaffected
(4,554 posts)is that there is reason to believe that unconsciousness does not follow immediately, at least in some cases, and suffering therefore might be experienced.
A well aimed bullet to the base of the skull OTOH destroys the brainstem and is therefore thought to confer instantaneous unconsciousness.
I realize there is no good way of verifying what the subject experiences in these specific instances but it's a pretty good supposition IMO.
misanthrope
(7,417 posts)painlessly euthanizing non-human animals but we can't do the same with these executions? If the answer is that we're capable of having these people "put to sleep" but we just don't care to exercise the mercy, then that makes the sentence less a matter of justice and more one of vengeance.
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)Celerity
(43,358 posts)The only exceptions I might make is for crimes against humanity and/or waging aggressive war, and then it should be tried by an international tribunal.
Treason at a high level too.
Mixed emotions even on that. I think it is the fact that for the first time in my life I want to see some in the US government and/or Trump family executed. Trump, Pence, Barr, Moscow Mitch, Ivanka, Jared, Miller, Don Jr., Eric, De Vos, Mnuchin, Pompeo, Chao, and any other motherfucker who worked with or for Russia at a high level. The QAnon leaders too, they are deserving of execution.
I am so conflicted there. Hate rules my emotions (again for the first time in my life), and I know it is wrong, but millions will die prematurely because of those motherfuckers (COVID-19 being just a small part of the death count btw).
obamanut2012
(26,076 posts)You cannot be anti DP with exceptions. It's like saying you are vegan, except for a nice steak three times a year. You are or you aren't.
Celerity
(43,358 posts)Your steak/vegan example is chalk and cheese.
That is not to say I still may go back to being against capital punishment in ALL cases. Still wrestling with this. The main example of it being perhaps justified was the Nazi leaders.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,344 posts)msongs
(67,405 posts)USALiberal
(10,877 posts)msongs
(67,405 posts)WhiskeyGrinder
(22,344 posts)obamanut2012
(26,076 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)If not, what is the precise and specific relevance of your sentiment?
EX500rider
(10,847 posts)Crunchy Frog
(26,584 posts)Blue Owl
(50,373 posts)Let's find out...
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,344 posts)PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,857 posts)Or, as it should more correctly be called, judicial murder.
Oddly enough, we are one of the very few countries who still murders people this way. We're in the excellent company of Saudi Arabia, China, Afghanistan, and several others.