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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,741 posts)
Tue Sep 22, 2020, 03:23 PM Sep 2020

'I beat the socialist': Biden reminds voters 'worried about socialism'

that he won the party nomination, not Bernie Sanders

Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden aimed to assuage voter concerns about socialism by flatly pointing to his recent primary win during an interview on Monday.

"I beat the socialist," Biden said in a local news interview in Wisconsin. "That's how I got elected. That's how I got the nomination. Do I look like a socialist? Look at my career — my whole career. I am not a socialist."

The former vice president was referring to his victory over former 2020 Democratic rival Sen. Bernie Sanders for the party nomination earlier this year. A self-declared "Democratic socialist," Sanders is a staunch believer in the government playing a role to provide services to the public, including education and health care, but his thinking differs from "socialists" who generally believe the government should have total control over the economy.

After Sanders dropped out of the race, he endorsed Biden and worked with him to adopt some progressive policies under his platform, such as ensuring wealthy Americans and large corporations a fair amount in taxes.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/i-beat-the-socialist-biden-reminds-voters-worried-about-socialism-that-he-won-the-party-nomination-not-bernie-sanders/ar-BB19jrTI?li=BB141NW3&ocid=DELLDHP
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'I beat the socialist': Biden reminds voters 'worried about socialism' (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Sep 2020 OP
Some may get upset with Biden over this, but this country is just too stupid Yavin4 Sep 2020 #1
I've heard so many descriptions of socialism since 2019 that no one Budi Sep 2020 #6
All post WWII developed democracies practice Social Democracy Yavin4 Sep 2020 #13
So social democracy isn't Socialism? Odd how when one is questioned .. Budi Sep 2020 #16
Social Democracy Yavin4 Sep 2020 #17
Thanks. Google Socialism. Because for all the differences, the 2 are so often used.. Budi Sep 2020 #18
Joe Biden 2019 "I am not a socialist". Thank You Joe Biden. Budi Sep 2020 #2
Then why are we talking about it? kwolf68 Sep 2020 #4
No. the socialists opposed involvement in WW2 . JI7 Sep 2020 #8
This is the Democratic Party platform it is also the basic tenats of the Party. Budi Sep 2020 #10
Then why call it Socialism? Call socialism by its real name or not at all. Budi Sep 2020 #12
Good talking point I guess budkin Sep 2020 #3
Remember that many of Sanders's ideas polled well mvd Sep 2020 #5
Fact Sanders declares himself a socialist and later softened with Democratic Socialist. Biden spoke LizBeth Sep 2020 #7
He also defended what Castro did in Cuba during the primary JI7 Sep 2020 #9
And if I was Biden, I would stand against that too. I mean. Right? Florida anyone? LizBeth Sep 2020 #11
Yes. but also becsuse Castro did fuck up the country JI7 Sep 2020 #14
Sanders is irrelevant. He handedly lost. He is not the Democratic Party voice. He isn't a Dem, lol. LizBeth Sep 2020 #15

Yavin4

(35,421 posts)
1. Some may get upset with Biden over this, but this country is just too stupid
Tue Sep 22, 2020, 03:29 PM
Sep 2020

to understand the differences between Communism, Socialism, Capitalism, Social Democracy, and Democratic Socialism. Getting into a debate about the differences in an election year is a big loser. People hear the word, "Socialxxx", and they lose their fucking minds.

You have to dumb down your rhetoric in order to communicate to the US electorate.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
6. I've heard so many descriptions of socialism since 2019 that no one
Tue Sep 22, 2020, 03:36 PM
Sep 2020

actually knows the real meaning of the word.
It's been interestong to hear the many ways one can use to sell socialism.

Its like watching a magic show.

No thanks

Yavin4

(35,421 posts)
13. All post WWII developed democracies practice Social Democracy
Tue Sep 22, 2020, 03:44 PM
Sep 2020

including the U.S. Social Democracy is simply having a strong public sector to run alongside a capitalist economy. Comparatively, the U.S. has the weakest public sector, but we do have public schools, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, environmental regulations, etc.

One of the lessons from the first half of the 20th century is that a strong public sector makes for more stable governments which decreases the tilt towards war between nations.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
16. So social democracy isn't Socialism? Odd how when one is questioned ..
Tue Sep 22, 2020, 04:08 PM
Sep 2020

the word socialism is immediately interchanged with social democracy, as if to mainstream the meaning.

I'd prefer not to end up like Venezuela in their grand experiment at Socialism, Social Democracy or any other word used to sell us on it.

Socialism is a means of production.
Govt controls how its distributed.

Rw better never be in power of a socialist nation.

Basically what's been referred to as socialism over the past couple of years, is word salad bs.

No thanks. I'll take our Democratic tenats as we've always had them.


Yavin4

(35,421 posts)
17. Social Democracy
Tue Sep 22, 2020, 04:17 PM
Sep 2020
Social democracy is a political, social and economic philosophy within socialism[1] that supports political and economic democracy.[2] As a policy regime, it is described by academics as advocating economic and social interventions to promote social justice within the framework of a liberal-democratic polity and a capitalist-oriented mixed economy. The protocols and norms used to accomplish this involve a commitment to representative and participatory democracy, measures for income redistribution, regulation of the economy in the general interest and social-welfare provisions.[3] Due to longstanding governance by social-democratic parties during the post-war consensus and their influence on socioeconomic policy in Northern and Western Europe, social democracy became associated with Keynesianism, the Nordic model, the social-liberal paradigm and welfare states within political circles in the late 20th century.[4] It has been described as the most common form of Western or modern socialism[5] as well as the reformist wing of democratic socialism.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy
 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
18. Thanks. Google Socialism. Because for all the differences, the 2 are so often used..
Tue Sep 22, 2020, 04:25 PM
Sep 2020

..interchangeably that one believes there is no diffrence.

It's like pinning down an ever moveing target.
And that movement is intentional.

I fking hate the mixing of the 2.
It gives a false meaning of what can be expected.

What I hate even more is selling socialism as 'no different' than our Democratic Republic.

That is the big fat lie being shoved down the throats of American voters.
And THAT big fat confusing lie is why Joe Biden wiped clean the electoral map in 2019.






 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
2. Joe Biden 2019 "I am not a socialist". Thank You Joe Biden.
Tue Sep 22, 2020, 03:30 PM
Sep 2020

Biden's campaign wiped socialism off the board & clearly it wasn't a point to consider with those who voted Biden as their choice for Dem President.

They voted for the Democrat. Not the Socialist.




kwolf68

(7,365 posts)
4. Then why are we talking about it?
Tue Sep 22, 2020, 03:33 PM
Sep 2020

It's scare mongering red baiting bullshit. My fear right now is not a bunch of Lefties promoting a national health care plan, protecting the planet from rabid greed and exploitation, it's the rise of fascist doctrines. And keep it very much in mind, part of the LIFE BLOOD of the rise of fascism is their antagonism to left-wing ideology.

Who were the biggest opponents of Hitler? That's right? Socialists. I am not "advocating" socialism in the real term that it means where government owns large factors of production, but I sure as hell don't think those owners should have carte blanche to destroy our planet, exploit our people and enrich themselves at the expense of the less fortunate.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
10. This is the Democratic Party platform it is also the basic tenats of the Party.
Tue Sep 22, 2020, 03:40 PM
Sep 2020

"...promoting a national health care plan, protecting the planet from rabid greed and exploitation, it's the rise of fascist doctrines. And keep it very much in mind, part of the LIFE BLOOD of the rise of fascism is their antagonism to left-wing ideology."

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
12. Then why call it Socialism? Call socialism by its real name or not at all.
Tue Sep 22, 2020, 03:43 PM
Sep 2020
"I am not "advocating" socialism in the real term that it means where government owns large factors of production, "

mvd

(65,161 posts)
5. Remember that many of Sanders's ideas polled well
Tue Sep 22, 2020, 03:36 PM
Sep 2020

Many thought Biden was the safer choice against Trump. I disagreed, but my focus now is on beating Trump. We should turn it around on the Repukes by saying they are fine with socialism for the rich and big corporations.

LizBeth

(9,952 posts)
15. Sanders is irrelevant. He handedly lost. He is not the Democratic Party voice. He isn't a Dem, lol.
Tue Sep 22, 2020, 03:51 PM
Sep 2020
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