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Maraya1969

(22,474 posts)
Wed Sep 23, 2020, 06:24 AM Sep 2020

A black man was shot 15 times and killed. He was pulled over for riding his bike the wrong way!

Attorneys say independent autopsy shows Dijon Kizzee was shot 15 times

Attorneys representing the family of Dijon Kizzee said the 29-year-old man sustained 15 gunshot wounds and disputed the Sheriff’s Department’s assertion that he pointed a gun at deputies before he was shot in South L.A. last month.

At a news conference Tuesday, attorney Carl Douglas said deputies fired some of the shots when Kizzee was already on the ground, and that the gunfire didn’t immediately kill him. He said those findings came from an independent autopsy commissioned by the family and displayed a body diagram showing the entry point of each wound.

“What this shows is he was alive and breathing and writhing in pain when the officers continued to stay away,” Douglas said, suggesting that deputies did not render aid during those critical moments as Kizzee bled to death on Aug. 31. Kizzee’s family members stood by, wearing black face masks that said, “Justice for Dijon Kizzee.”

The shooting occurred in the 1200 block of West 109th Place in the Westmont neighborhood after the deputies alleged that Kizzee was riding his bicycle in violation of vehicle codes. The Times has identified the two deputies as a trainee and his supervisor.

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It seems like a discrepancy whether or not he had a gun.

These cops need to be charged with murder!

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-09-22/dijon-kizzee-shot-15-times-attorneys-independent-autopsy?asd

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A black man was shot 15 times and killed. He was pulled over for riding his bike the wrong way! (Original Post) Maraya1969 Sep 2020 OP
Where are the body cams ?! PD's that wont enforce body cams get defunded PERIOD. ENOUGH of this shit uponit7771 Sep 2020 #1
wrong noneof_theabove Sep 2020 #4
Good point. Punish the ones who are responsible. nt reACTIONary Sep 2020 #8
Not the mayor. In some cities the mayor is hostage to police union. lostnfound Sep 2020 #18
💯💯💯 live love laugh Sep 2020 #22
... Duppers Sep 2020 #2
Shot fifteen times DFW Sep 2020 #3
Much worse: intentional murder. marble falls Sep 2020 #9
No question on whether he had a gun FBaggins Sep 2020 #5
oh, you were there?? llashram Sep 2020 #10
Why would I need to be? FBaggins Sep 2020 #15
so it was murder llashram Sep 2020 #16
Could be FBaggins Sep 2020 #17
more militarized police murder. For. riding. a. bike. the. wrong. way. JFC. Evolve Dammit Sep 2020 #6
Why were the police involved in the first place? SallyHemmings Sep 2020 #7
My thought exactly. Why the hell did the police feel the need to stop someone who was on a damn Maraya1969 Sep 2020 #21
I see people riding a bike all crazy ways all the time. Captain Zero Sep 2020 #25
The bottom line is ... If he didn't have a gun he would be alive right now. Snake Plissken Sep 2020 #11
He probably didn't have a gun. nt ecstatic Sep 2020 #14
The bottom line is if he was white he would be alive gun or not. nt live love laugh Sep 2020 #23
There is no guarantee whatsoever he'd be alive right now if he didn't have gun Withywindle Sep 2020 #24
I'm so sick of this "he was no angel" bullshit. Withywindle Sep 2020 #26
I'm so sick of people ignoring how many people every year are killed by illegal firearms Snake Plissken Sep 2020 #28
Even serial killers don't get the death penalty in CA. radius777 Sep 2020 #30
Kyle Rittenhouse is still alive. /nt radius777 Sep 2020 #29
Dupe deleted live love laugh Sep 2020 #31
Cops kill first and fake a weapon concern later. Rinse, repeat. ecstatic Sep 2020 #12
And you know the same people are all up in the NRA Withywindle Sep 2020 #27
Kick dalton99a Sep 2020 #13
Question: LA Police Department..? or Sheriff's Dept of County? Stuart G Sep 2020 #19
K&R for exposure Blue Owl Sep 2020 #20

noneof_theabove

(410 posts)
4. wrong
Wed Sep 23, 2020, 07:31 AM
Sep 2020

defunding does not to help the problem.

Withhold the Chief, Assistant Chief, and Mayor salaries until they comply.

lostnfound

(16,169 posts)
18. Not the mayor. In some cities the mayor is hostage to police union.
Wed Sep 23, 2020, 11:16 AM
Sep 2020

Police in Chicago are letting or encouraging crime these days because they are pissed off at BLM and don’t like the mayor. Almost open mutiny.

We don’t need to weaken the mayors..

FBaggins

(26,727 posts)
5. No question on whether he had a gun
Wed Sep 23, 2020, 07:44 AM
Sep 2020

And it was a gun that was not legal in the state (15 rounds) and not legal for him to possess (both felony record and an active restraining order)

The question was whether his actions rose to the level necessitating deadly force (maybe) and whether the continued use (18 shots?) when he was down and no longer a threat was justified (can’t see how). Also whether there were ways for officers to handle it that would not have escalated to the point of conflict in the first place (almost certainly)

FBaggins

(26,727 posts)
15. Why would I need to be?
Wed Sep 23, 2020, 10:49 AM
Sep 2020

The video is consistent with that part of the story... and the gun in evidence couldn't have been planted afterward because investigators found photos on his phone of him with the gun (including an identifiable serial number apparently).

Just as persuasive - nobody disputes that he had the gun. An eyewitness said his hands were empty when he was shot and the family attorney disputes claims that he had picked it up or was reaching for it when shot... but they don't dispute that he had a gun.

FBaggins

(26,727 posts)
17. Could be
Wed Sep 23, 2020, 11:15 AM
Sep 2020

Murder would involve the previous intent to kill him. That's tough to say. The shooting appears justified right up until the first couple shots are fired. BUT the description includes the officers firing three groups of shots:

Doorbell cameras had captured the sound of 19 shots being fired – a burst of four or five, a pause, a barrage of a dozen more shots, and then a final few deliberate ones


The first handful could be justified. The "barrage of a dozen" after the gun is now out of his hands and down the sidewalk is at least excessive force. The third "few deliberate ones" must be after he's down and clearly no longer a threat. I can't see an explanation for that. If there's reason to believe that he would have survived the first few shots (not sure whether that could be established or not), that could be murder.

But no question that he had a gun. No question that he should have been arrested and locked up. Just the simple point that this doesn't justify his death.

SallyHemmings

(1,821 posts)
7. Why were the police involved in the first place?
Wed Sep 23, 2020, 08:15 AM
Sep 2020

Yet another matter where the police shouldn't be involved.

These cops are cowboys with guns. Murder is the appropriate charge.

Maraya1969

(22,474 posts)
21. My thought exactly. Why the hell did the police feel the need to stop someone who was on a damn
Wed Sep 23, 2020, 06:29 PM
Sep 2020

bicycle?

Captain Zero

(6,796 posts)
25. I see people riding a bike all crazy ways all the time.
Thu Sep 24, 2020, 02:56 AM
Sep 2020

Unless they are seen to cause an actual accident, why wouldn't the police have more important things to do than accost them?

Snake Plissken

(4,103 posts)
11. The bottom line is ... If he didn't have a gun he would be alive right now.
Wed Sep 23, 2020, 09:15 AM
Sep 2020

And these cops will probably not face any consequences for killing him for that reason.


What there any reason to pull him over other than he was Black? ... No.

If he was White, would he be alive right now? ... Of course, because the police would have never pulled him over.


But knowing that won't bring him back.

Withywindle

(9,988 posts)
24. There is no guarantee whatsoever he'd be alive right now if he didn't have gun
Thu Sep 24, 2020, 02:20 AM
Sep 2020

Police shoot unarmed Black people All.The.Damn.Time.

(And occasionally unarmed white people, like that 13-year-old autistic boy in Utah, but still the pattern holds)

Meanwhile, Dylann Roof and Kyle Rittenhouse definitely had guns and definitely shot people, and the police seem to have managed to take them in alive. Huh, wonder what's different about them? What about all those white neo-nazi guys wandering around the protests with assault weapons proudly displayed? Wonder why the cops don't feel compelled to shoot THEM?

This sounds like victim blaming.

Withywindle

(9,988 posts)
26. I'm so sick of this "he was no angel" bullshit.
Thu Sep 24, 2020, 04:21 AM
Sep 2020

Cops aren't allowed to summarily execute GUILTY people either.

So what if he was riding his bicycle the wrong way and had an unlicensed gun? Neither of those things are death-penalty crimes. The whole reason we have a justice system is so that people can be arrested, tried, and sentenced by a jury of their peers in a court of law. Cops who kill a non-violent defendant rather than bringing them in have failed at their jobs. Period. And we KNOW that they are much more eager to do so, unrepentantly, and even brag and laugh about it later when their murder victims (YES I SAID MURDER VICTIMS) are Black.

Snake Plissken

(4,103 posts)
28. I'm so sick of people ignoring how many people every year are killed by illegal firearms
Thu Sep 24, 2020, 06:28 AM
Sep 2020

I'm so sick of people acting as if carrying illegal firearms is no big deal

The bottom line is if he didn't have a gun he would be alive right now.

I'm not defending the police, nor am I evening trying to, but there is no way you will convince me that someone carrying an illegal firearm is a good person anymore than you will convince me that Kyle Rittenhouse is a good person.

I'm not gonna feel sorry for someone walking the streets with illegal firearms ... not a chance.




radius777

(3,635 posts)
30. Even serial killers don't get the death penalty in CA.
Thu Sep 24, 2020, 06:35 AM
Sep 2020

Merely having an illegal gun does not give them the authority to act as judge, jury and executioner.

And he could've been fearful of the cops knowing they hunt men of color, and been acting in self defense.

ecstatic

(32,673 posts)
12. Cops kill first and fake a weapon concern later. Rinse, repeat.
Wed Sep 23, 2020, 09:26 AM
Sep 2020

It's sickening that they continue to get away with it.

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