BREAKING: California bans sale of new gas-powered cars

[brooklynite]

Link to tweet

[sfstaxprep]

1. Don't Buy It

15 Years give more than enough time to change, extend or eliminate the ban.

The auto manufacturers will be in an uproar.

[W_HAMILTON]

2. Why announce this now?

It probably doesn't accomplish a damn thing in the near term, but I can already see negative campaign ads being created about it for this year's elections.

[Amishman]

3. yup, should have waited two months

not a bad idea though, assuming sufficient advancements can be made in battery technology and manufacturing.

[bottomofthehill]

7. they will love that in Detroit.

[Awsi Dooger]

38. Trump and his PACs will accelerate emphasis on Michigan

Those commercials are probably in production already

They won't even mention 2035

The socialists are banning your vehicles

[JI7]

45. I agree. wait until after the elections to announce

It won't be an issue in California but there are a lot of stupid people around the country.

[hunter]

62. This tweet is inflammatory bullshit. No links to any source.

Try this:

Following up on his vow for California to take more ambitious steps to reduce climate change in the wake of devastating wildfires, Gov. Gavin Newsom on Wednesday announced California will prohibit the sale of all new cars and light trucks that run on gasoline starting in 2035.

At least a dozen countries around the world already have similar laws in place by 2030, including England, Germany, Norway, Sweden, Israel and India. Canada and France have announced a similar phase-out of internal combustion engines by 2040.

But Newsom’s move to make California the first state to take such a step is historic, a landmark environmental marker that is expected to ripple across the United States. With 40 million residents, California is the largest vehicle market in the United States, and its emissions laws for decades have shaped how cars are made.

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https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/09/23/newsom-bans-sale-of-all-new-gasoline-powered-cars-starting-in-2035/

[Mystery sage]

4. Sounds like a good way to lose support and give the other side an upset

[obamanut2012]

9. lol you think CA will go red

hahahhahahahahhahahahahhahahhahahhaha

[LisaL]

13. Yea, when the pigs fly.

[Mystery sage]

46. That's kind of funny if California ever does go red I expect to see pigs fly now!

[Whiskeytide]

14. Of course not. But don't you think ...

... republicans might talk about this in FL, WI, PA, etc...?

[calguy]

19. Not California but

close swing states are another story. A stupid statement like this can cause fence sitters to fall into trump's side. Because, you know, "those CrAzY liberals"

[PTWB]

22. It isn't about California going red.

It is about a giant and unnecessary talking point we just gave the GOP in states that very well might go red.

“Vote for Biden and they’ll ban gas cars everywhere!”

How well do you think the threat of banning gas cars will play in Michigan, Pennsylvania and Ohio?

[LakeArenal]

42. That's the same they said about Texas turning blue, yet....

It might. It just might.

[LeftInTX]

50. No, but Trump will use this in other states, such as Michigan

[rockfordfile]

54. I agree

[LanternWaste]

74. You'll support this hypothesis with evidence, yes?

Or is it simply a sentiment, like "2+2 sounds like iy should equal 22"?

[Codeine]

85. In California?

Well, okay then.

[Initech]

5. WTF???

[calguy]

6. Stupid assed move

Nothing like giving trump another talking point. This isn't the first time Newsome has made a silly move right before an election. Don't remember how long ago it was, but when he was mayor of SF he made some crazy statement concerning guns. It didn't do our side any favors. Unbelievably stupid move.

[Caliman73]

10. Interesting.

Politically, I think that it can be handled well. All Biden has to say is that "Since The Trump administration has done such a horrific job when it comes to climate change, California has always tried to be a leader in the movement. We can find a way to support our auto manufacturers and build great new cars that don't rely on burning fossil fuels."

Of course the right is going to howl. They would do that about anything.

This doesn't change much for consumers until 15 years out. It gives industry enough time to expand their line up of alternative fuel cars.

It isn't the end of the world.

[LisaL]

12. Or Biden can just say he doesn't support that at least for now.

NT

[still_one]

15. Stupid. That is not how you do it. When the cost and infrastructure is feasible, people will

make the transition.

[TheRealNorth]

17. This is one of the reasons why we lose

we do politically stupid stuff at the worst time.

[LisaL]

18. 2035 is far away.

I am also not sure why he decided to announce this so close to the election.
It's not like it's going to be banned tomorrow.

[still_one]

26. Actually 15 years isn't that far away.

[USALiberal]

43. LOL, yes it is! nt

[jimfields33]

27. People keep their cars a long time especially now

I’d say they need to do some major transition within 8 years for the huge increase in customers around 2028. I can’t imagine anyone wanting to buy a gas run car after that when nobody else will be.

[calguy]

29. Newsome has been known to be a showboat at times

This is one of those times.

[PTWB]

33. 99% of people won't read beyond the headline.

There is no scenario that relatively radical positions help is with swing voters a month from an election.

I’m about as radical left as you can get and I think political pragmatism is far more important right now.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

39. Yep. Think of the incandescent lightbulb "horror" even people here whined about.

Now multiply it by 100

[still_one]

21. No kidding. I am from California, and Newsom is no Jerry Brown unfortunately

[LisaL]

25. California is basically a country all of its own.

NT

[still_one]

28. We have the population for sure, but are extremely diverse here

[BGBD]

68. No

nobody is going to invest in the infrastructure until there are assurances there will be a market. By announcing the move 15 years out it will get investment and projects going.

This makes no different to the auto manufacturers, they are already well on their way to producing all electric lines. They are putting electric motors in everything. This assures them that the electric market will be huge in 15 years and they can go full steam ahead on development.

As far as political fallout....the only people who trump will get to on this are people who were already going to vote for him.

The lines are drawn and people aren't changing. Its about driving turnout now.

[still_one]

70. Are you from California?

[BGBD]

72. No

I live deep behind enemy lines.

[still_one]

76. ok

[hunter]

77. Just like seat belts and other safety measures, right?

The automobile manufacturers never embrace any meaningful safety improvements without a good solid kick in the ass.

Reducing greenhouse gasses is the ultimate safety improvement, it protects everyone, even people who are never going to own an automobile.

I was born in California, btw, and have lived here most of my life.

God knows why anyone would be upset by this.

Just imagine how much your father's Oldsmobile is going to be worth!

[still_one]

78. I drive a Clarity plug in hybrid for your information, and have solar, so you don't need to

tell me about the environment, but the fact is pure electric cars and fuel cells add a significant price tag onto the price of those cars, and a lot of folks cannot afford that unless the price comes significantly down, which I assume it will, along with the infrastructure to support it. They are going to have to come up with technology where the charging is much faster then it is now, which I assume you will.

To your question, why would anyone be upset by this?

We are going into an election in less than two months. There was a reason why Biden said he was not currently against fracking when he was in Pennsylvania. Because there are jobs that depend on that right now, and to campaign against fracking in Pennsylvania is political suicide. Pennsylvania is a very important state to win because of the damn electoral college

Once you get in, that is when you start make the necessary changes.

Newsom could have waited until after the election to announce that.

[hunter]

79. What he announced got turned into a stupid talking point by the same stupid people...

... who would vote for Trump anyways.

Biden drives.

Does Trump?

The fear, uncertainty, and doubt can fuck off and die.

[still_one]

81. There are swing states that MUST be won, and not everyone in those states who

is a trump supporter

Those talking points that you refer to are an unecessary distraction, and take the focus away from what we need to do immediately to defeat the jackass in the WH, and his congressional worshipers, before they destroy everything

I don't know if you happened to read the Woodward book, but there is a lot more than just his mishandling and cruelity in dealing with the pandemic. The guy is completely unhinged, and I think we are very close to becoming a police state if he wins another term

[hunter]

84. Any day now Trump will be pulling down his pants to brag about his pecker and the places it's been.

And his voters will love him more.

[still_one]

86. lol, nothing would surprise me anymore

[Beaverhausen]

16. I believe hybrids will still be allowed

It's gasoline only that is being banned.

As I told my trumpie father last weekend, the car companies should want to develop newer technology and buyers should want greener cars.

[LisaL]

20. I don't think so. They will require vehicles to be zero emission.

So how would a hybrid be allowed?

[Beaverhausen]

31. I believe most hybrids are zero emission

[Hassin Bin Sober]

40. How is a vehicle that relies on a gas engine zero emission?

[Beaverhausen]

41. I've driven a Prius since 2005

I didn't have to have a smog check for the first 10 years of the life of the 2005 model.

I got a 2015 model last year.

I thought I read these are zero emissions. I googled and found the info below.


https://newsroom.toyota.eu/toyota-prius-excels-in-zero-emissions-commuting-study/

I'm not certain that the Prius would be compliant in this new law but I think 15 years for car manufacturers to develop these cars is something we should be cheering. Maybe it's just me.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

44. Like mine, they are only zero emission when on electric. I'm on my second plug in hybrid fusion.

If I had a plug at my office I would be zero emissions 95% of the time except for out of town trips.

The hybrid portion works more efficiently in town with stop and go. But you still burn gas.

Next car will be full electric.

I thinking in 15 years most new cars will be electric just based on market factors.

I’m totally ok with California being on the vanguard. I just think they should have waited until after the election.

[Yavin4]

23. Dude cannot wait another 43 days to make this announcement?

Can Liberals, for one fucking minute, put their fucking egos to the side for the greater good? Just one fucking minute?

[npk]

24. Oh FFS Newsom...

15 years from now who knows if we will still be alive at the rate we are going. Let's try and win this election first and then cleanup all the shit tRump screwed up and then we can start down that road to getting rid of gas guzzling cars.

[LisaL]

30. My feelings exactly.

We have to make it to 2035 first.
It's 15 freaking years away. If covid doesn't get us, climate change just might.

[LisaL]

35. Can you make gas powered car with zero emissions?

NT

[Initech]

37. I have no idea.

[hunter]

82. We can currently buy Near-Zero-Emission and Zero-Emission Vehicles in California.

Neither contributes to air pollution much, but both produce greenhouse gasses; the near zero emission vehicles by burning gasoline, the zero emission vehicles at fossil fueled power plants.

There is no such thing as a "zero emission" automobile and there never will be, but some automobiles are much better than most.

[USALiberal]

32. You should have added the date in your post! nt

[Awsi Dooger]

36. Mind boggling stupidity

Nobody has mentioned the impact on Kamala Harris. She's certain to be asked about this, and it will be attached to her if she ever seeks the nomination

[In It to Win It]

47. I'm in Florida. I can see the ads now.

Liberals want to ban cars

[hardluck]

48. My Land Cruiser will only be 41 years old then, should be fine (nt)

[Klaralven]

61. I know of running Land Cruisers that are over 40 now. They will still be running in 2035

California will be the new Cuba, with pre-2035 cars living on into the second half of the 21st century.

[Baclava]

49. 2035? The trillion dollar bullet train to nowhere should be ready by then, lol

[Klaralven]

64. At least the Bakersfield to Fresno section

[greenjar_01]

65. Is that the part you want to be its own state?

[MichMan]

51. Prices of used IC vehicles will skyrocket when this goes into effect

Sales of 2034 IC models will be very strong

[LeftInTX]

52. Unnecessary and stupid right now

We can't help the loss of RBG, but this is stupid and unneeded.

Why now?

[NightWatcher]

53. Now the crazy Dems are going to make cars illegal. They'll make you all take the bus if they win

Why give trump something to distract with?

[Klaralven]

67. And if you take the bus you'll have to wear a mask. And you'll get Covid anyway.

[Demsrule86]

55. Why now? Before an important election.

[rockfordfile]

58. yeah

It's like something a person that has problems with other things would do.

[Demsrule86]

59. True that.

[beaglelover]

56. Great news!!!

I recently bought a Tesla Model 3. Never going back to an ICE car. I live in Los Angeles.

[greenjar_01]

60. Why not put "starting in 2035" in headline?

[USALiberal]

63. I asked him same question........crickets

[Klaralven]

66. List of states by IQ -- California is 48th.

https://www.inc.com/bill-murphy-jr/we-compared-average-iq-score-in-all-50-states-results-are-eye-opening.html

California 95.5
Louisiana 95.3
Mississippi 94.2

[hunter]

80. Racist bullshit.

[hardluck]

69. Can we have an addendum where it only goes into effect if CA fixes the power grid?

I had my power go out for over a week last year due to fire danger from high winds, not to mention the rolling blackouts we just had. How is our grid going to handle all this?

[Azathoth]

71. And Dems wonder why we lose elections

Right now this plays absolutely *nowhere* outside a few wealthy parts of the deepest blue states. Furloughs are turning into layoffs by the millions, unemployment is running out, and oh, we have an election in six weeks...

At this rate, people will support Trump's SCOTUS nominee just because they know a hard-right court will strike down blue state shit like this.

[roamer65]

73. By 2035, California is going to have a lot less people in it.

Most will have moved much further inland and especially northward.

It will be too damn hot year around.

[Sgent]

75. Really???!!!??!

This gets us zero states and could lose us states like Ohio or Michigan.

CA won't ban anything if SCOTUS strikes down its exemption and rules (as Trump wants them to) that the EPA preempts state law.

[Renew Deal]

83. 15 years is a lot of time

For this to happen or collapse. But I think it will happen.