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Democrats less likely to vote if they THINK Trump will steal the election (Original Post) Dr. Jack Sep 2020 OP
I think this response is also prudent: mzmolly Sep 2020 #1
The best counter message to the fearful is that Trump can't steal a Biden landslide Tom Rinaldo Sep 2020 #2
K&R SharonClark Sep 2020 #8
Not buying it. mac56 Sep 2020 #3
I have worked GOTV for years and voters who believe the election will be stolen are less likely to Demsrule86 Sep 2020 #6
I don't agree with that conclusion. NRaleighLiberal Sep 2020 #4
I don't either. I think Democrat's understand hamsterjill Sep 2020 #12
It's Ryan Grim's twitter feed. He's with The Intercept. SharonClark Sep 2020 #5
ummm if you read the threads... qazplm135 Sep 2020 #7
So it's just grim, wishful thinking. lagomorph777 Sep 2020 #10
No evidence of that, actually the contrary SCliberal91294 Sep 2020 #9
There's a huge difference between sounding the alarms about trump's words/plans and fishwax Sep 2020 #11
The Democratic Party must get people to vote rockfordfile Sep 2020 #13
I don't like Grim but he's right. You just have to check RV & LV models. Drunken Irishman Sep 2020 #14

mzmolly

(50,978 posts)
1. I think this response is also prudent:
Thu Sep 24, 2020, 01:43 PM
Sep 2020
https://mobile.twitter.com/gelliottmorris/status/1309174101924294664

Grim was promoting nasty shit about Biden not long ago. He hopes Trump's bullshit discourages voters. I plan to vote early to prevent theft.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,911 posts)
2. The best counter message to the fearful is that Trump can't steal a Biden landslide
Thu Sep 24, 2020, 01:44 PM
Sep 2020

The media is increasingly referencing that reality. All we have to do is vote, especially the younger demographic which strongly polls anti-Trump but traditionally under perform in voter turnout. If younger voters vote in numbers even approaching that of other age groups there is nothing Trump can do to avoid being obviously swamped.

Demsrule86

(68,456 posts)
6. I have worked GOTV for years and voters who believe the election will be stolen are less likely to
Thu Sep 24, 2020, 01:45 PM
Sep 2020

vote and in a pandemic...probably more so.

hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
12. I don't either. I think Democrat's understand
Thu Sep 24, 2020, 01:59 PM
Sep 2020

That we all need to vote in numbers SO GREAT that Donnie can’t find anything to use to say the election should be challenged.

Early voting for me begins October 13th...and I’ll be there!

SharonClark

(10,014 posts)
5. It's Ryan Grim's twitter feed. He's with The Intercept.
Thu Sep 24, 2020, 01:45 PM
Sep 2020

He was asked for evidence to back up his claim. He was silent.

qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
7. ummm if you read the threads...
Thu Sep 24, 2020, 01:45 PM
Sep 2020

the only poll he cites actually says the opposite, there's no impact on Dem voters and voting.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
10. So it's just grim, wishful thinking.
Thu Sep 24, 2020, 01:50 PM
Sep 2020

Looks like Trump's about to suffer a fate like the characters in Grimm's fairy tales. Which, in general, did not end happily ever after.

fishwax

(29,148 posts)
11. There's a huge difference between sounding the alarms about trump's words/plans and
Thu Sep 24, 2020, 01:55 PM
Sep 2020

presenting those plans as a fait accompli.

Grim seems to conclude that the media talking about this is a bad thing:

"The more he can get the media and Democratic leaders to talk about his willingness to steal the election, the less likely it becomes that he has to steal it to win. Awfully clever, if intentional."

But the memo that he points to for evidence contradicts that conclusion: "We need to talk about Trump's attempts to bully, cheat, and scam his way through this election, but do so in a way that presents him as weak and reinforces people's power as agents of change."

The media is right to cover this BS, for all sorts of reasons. But our response should continuously emphasize the first and best defense we have against such malfeasance: vote! (Donate, too.)

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
14. I don't like Grim but he's right. You just have to check RV & LV models.
Thu Sep 24, 2020, 02:01 PM
Sep 2020

Democrats need to always be talked into voting it seems. Give them any reason to not vote and they won't.

Biden leads in PA by 9 among RV according to a recent poll. That lead drops to 6 among LV.

Take yesterday's Florida poll. Biden actually led in the RV model but is losing by four in the LV.

It's clear there are a lot of potential Dem voters who are reluctant about voting. Telling them over and over the Trump is just going to steal it won't help.

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