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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsYou are a socialist if you believe in . . .
Unemployment insurance funded by the insured
Jobs programs for the unemployed
Public assistance to mothers with dependent children
Health insurance for all even with pre-existing conditions
Public education
Public libraries
Government funding for the arts
Feeding the poor ($256 per household a month)
Food inspection
Facemask required in an infectious pandemic
Occupational safety regulations
Clean water
Clear air
Citizen funded social security benefits
US Post Office
Public transportation
Tax fairness
You are a Repubican if you don't
LakeArenal
(28,810 posts)BlueJac
(7,838 posts)lapucelle
(18,231 posts)mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)Just sayin'
Budi
(15,325 posts)That's not correct, & saying it over & over doesn't make so.
That is a false statemtent.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)list (along with, you know, the government controlling all means of production, a situation which doesn't exist in the world right now TTBOMK) ... is failing at Socialism.
They'd be 'missing the point'.
MHO.
Budi
(15,325 posts)Dressing up socialism to appear to look like our Democracy is a lie as well.
Ask Venezuela how socialism turned out for them.
It's bs & I'll never support the ruse of socialism so this is as far as this debate goes.
Carry on..
Purely speaking, Socialism as a means of production would really suck for this country..
lapucelle
(18,231 posts)Who exactly are "the insured"?
It sounds as if the expectation is that the workers who are "insured" (i.e. eligible to receive unemployment benefits) should themselves be funding the program. That's not how it works in NYS where I live.
https://www.labor.ny.gov/formsdocs/ui/P820.pdf
brooklynite
(94,482 posts)mercuryblues
(14,526 posts)But it is using Socialism tongue in cheek.
A version of:
John F. Kennedy
If by a "Liberal" they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people-their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights and their civil liberties-someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a "Liberal", then I'm proud to say I'm a "Liberal.
Budi
(15,325 posts)Held strong & hard fought for over the many years.
In case it's ever forgotten.
Just sayin.
JHB
(37,158 posts)Budi
(15,325 posts)JHB
(37,158 posts)Budi
(15,325 posts)I find that a majority if those I see using the word socialism don't actually know it's true meaning.
It's become a loosely used word.
JHB
(37,158 posts)They have always expansively used terms like "socialist" and "communist" so that they include just about every policy and program they don't like.
And all top often, nobody challenges them when they inject their ranting-crank version into normal discussions, effectively acquiescing to the more radical usage.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)Any proper 'Socialist' country would also have everything that's in the list.
Just sayin'.
Budi
(15,325 posts)Many socialist countries have attempted the utopian end game, but succomb to dictator rule once the total earning power is held in the hands of the govt.
Venezuela, for instance.
Socialism is the means of production.
How gov't distributes the wealth of production is no longer socialism.
PETRUS
(3,678 posts)If you're willing to read this - https://www.peoplespolicyproject.org/2019/01/27/norway-is-far-more-socialist-than-venezuela/ - I'd be interested to hear your thoughts.
Yavin4
(35,430 posts)They would call it a sell out because it leaves Capitalism in place.
JHB
(37,158 posts)...to want or have those things.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,315 posts)AllaN01Bear
(18,110 posts)paying for roads , schools . etc make me liberal, so be it .
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)Budi
(15,325 posts)mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)A Democracy could vote for there to be no Unions whatsoever.
If Socialism was nothing but 'The Government Controls All Means of Production' the collected works of Karl Marx would be considerably shorter than they are.
Budi
(15,325 posts)Jeezus. 😬
Bye.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)I'm only saying if your understanding is that 'Socialism' has absolutely ZERO other tenets or even implication other than 'The Government Controls All Means of Production' ... which seems to be the thrust of your argument on this thread ... then your understanding on the subject is very limited. In fact, it's Communism wherein the government owns and controls all means of production.
Read and learn ...
https://www.history.com/news/socialism-communism-differences
Thomas Hurt
(13,903 posts)is anything the gov't spends tax dollars on that offends their ideological sensibilities.
IOWs they don't know what socialism is.
Yavin4
(35,430 posts)Socialism is the public ownership of all means of production.
Social Democracy is the creation of a strong public sector that acts as insurance against the extremes of Capitalism.
DeltaLitProf
(768 posts)n/t
Yavin4
(35,430 posts)Social Democracy:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy
Socialism:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism
Social Democracy leaves ownership of the means of production into private hands.
lapucelle
(18,231 posts)Yavin4
(35,430 posts)lapucelle
(18,231 posts)Point 2: The fallacy of false alternative is generally fatal to cogent reasoning.
Hope that helps!
Patterson
(1,529 posts)"Socialism is the public ownership of all means of production."
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)Chainfire
(17,519 posts)I will be a Socialist. Some risks and some rewards need to be shared. Everybody stands on someone else's shoulders.
Budi
(15,325 posts)Ask Venezuela how socialism worked out for them.
Ended up, there were no shoulders left to stand on.
No thanks.
lpbk2713
(42,751 posts)Safe bridges and major highways.
Tribetime
(4,684 posts)Social Security
Medicare Medicaid
brooklynite
(94,482 posts)Neither are the people who believe in those things in Norway, Denmark, Sweden...
no - what is the value of trying to resurrect Socialist at this point in the Election?
Hekate
(90,617 posts)...and the Planet.
I am a Democrat.