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Snake Plissken

(4,103 posts)
Wed Sep 30, 2020, 06:44 AM Sep 2020

Charles Manson Trump calling on his cult members to start a war for him didn't go over too well

... Gee I wonder why?

Inciting domestic terrorism didn't give Trump that bump in the polls he was hoping for.

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brewens

(15,359 posts)
2. "Presidents" usually don't deputize racist right-wing hate groups as their own private militia
Wed Sep 30, 2020, 07:26 AM
Sep 2020

debates. That was my post on a FB debate thread. It was started by a moderate republican that was disgusted. So far no Trump cultists have chimed in. Small sample, but encouraging. The guys best friend is a radiologist that loves Trump. I KNOW he was watching and saw the posts, but nothing from him.

modrepub

(4,018 posts)
8. Did The SA/SS Live In Their Parents' Basements?
Wed Sep 30, 2020, 09:03 AM
Sep 2020

Most of these folks (white supremacists) don't seem to have a lot going for them, they seem more misfits than anything else. Hitler's SA were brawlers who mixed it up with communists when they'd try to interrupt Nazi speeches in Bavarian beer halls. I'm pretty sure Trump and a lot of his followers would fold up and cover if they actually had to face someone willing to get into a physical altercation with them (on a 1 on 1 basis).

wnylib

(25,355 posts)
12. I'm not so sure of that. A lot of them
Wed Sep 30, 2020, 10:07 AM
Sep 2020

are former military, like Timothy McVeigh was.

We should never back down because of them, but we also should not underestimate them, either.

modrepub

(4,018 posts)
14. Difference Between (Playing) Call Of Duty and (serving) A Tour of Duty
Wed Sep 30, 2020, 11:20 AM
Sep 2020

Most of the white supremacists are the former and not the later. The later group, to be honest, are all of our responsibility. We have a totally cavalier attitude towards sending people into extremely dangerous (combat) situations and not expecting them to come back mentally scared from their experiences. I have a family member who participated in "black ops" operations and wound up shooting a child who was an armed fighter. My father's family was forced labor for the Japanese on Guam. My uncle told his kids he fell into a pit of body parts running to shine Japanese officer shoes, being late would mean extreme punishment for his family. War exposes all folks (soldiers and civilians) to extreme psychological stress to the point where some of them can't cope with what they've experienced. Whether they become violent to others or themselves when they get home, drug users or have some other breakdown, that's on us for putting them into those situations in the first place.

I don't want to get too ranty, but I kind of see Trump's point about people in the military being taken advantage of by the rest of us; they do the "dirty work" for us and suffer the consequences, mostly alone.

Woodwizard

(1,282 posts)
15. Some of them are former military not a lot
Wed Sep 30, 2020, 11:57 AM
Sep 2020

I listened to an in depth podcast about them about a year ago I will try to remember it.

As someone who is former military I know no one that supports them that is a veteran in my circle, I do know a few wannabe guys that play with guns that may fit the proud boy profile, I am fairly sure if something real came down they would be nowhere to be found. Courage falls apart without the group think. Just an observation.

wnylib

(25,355 posts)
13. And the goal of Helter Skelter was
Wed Sep 30, 2020, 10:09 AM
Sep 2020

supposed to be to start a nation wide race war.

So, it does seem like a good fit for the impeached fascist and his goons.

dlk

(13,180 posts)
7. The R stands for racist
Wed Sep 30, 2020, 08:54 AM
Sep 2020

Trump is the leader of the Republican Party for a reason. He is actively fomenting racial violence to stay in power to avoid that orange jumpsuit at Rikers with his name on it.

bucolic_frolic

(54,481 posts)
10. Isn't that a textbook definition of an insurrection?
Wed Sep 30, 2020, 09:22 AM
Sep 2020

Launching thugs against elections strikes at the very heart of democracy, and the republic.

Enoki33

(1,605 posts)
11. The power mad dime store Mussolini showed everyone his true colors.
Wed Sep 30, 2020, 09:46 AM
Sep 2020

It is impossible for him to control himself. Seemed to me to be a veiled threat when he commented “You’d be surprised”. Later for a fleeting moment something akin to fear flashed across his face when looking down as Joe directly addressed the camera and assured us if tRump looses he will have to leave office. He is a cornered rat willing to burn down our democracy.

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