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jmowreader

(50,528 posts)
Wed Sep 30, 2020, 12:19 PM Sep 2020

It is critical to impeach Trump the day after he loses

The Constitution says a president’s pardon power is unlimited except in cases of impeachment..

Trump’s plan if he loses will be to either attempt a self-pardon (which is arguably illegal, in that you can’t be your own judge) or to resign so Pence can pardon him. If he’s under impeachment for tax evasion, money laundering, fomenting insurrection, 250,000 cases of negligent homicide, campaign finance violations, and whatever else we can hit him with, he can’t be pardoned for those things.

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It is critical to impeach Trump the day after he loses (Original Post) jmowreader Sep 2020 OP
That is not the consensus interpretation of what that text means. RockRaven Sep 2020 #1
There have been so few impeachments in this nation... jmowreader Sep 2020 #2
It would end up in the Supreme Court. Chainfire Sep 2020 #7
It means he cant reverse an impeachment via pardon. PTWB Sep 2020 #3
That's not how that works. tritsofme Sep 2020 #4
Pelosi and Schumer are not going to tip their hand FakeNoose Sep 2020 #5
Worthless effort beachbumbob Sep 2020 #6
You got that right Chainfire Sep 2020 #8

RockRaven

(14,891 posts)
1. That is not the consensus interpretation of what that text means.
Wed Sep 30, 2020, 12:22 PM
Sep 2020

It means a POTUS can't get rid of an impeachment via pardon.

jmowreader

(50,528 posts)
2. There have been so few impeachments in this nation...
Wed Sep 30, 2020, 12:25 PM
Sep 2020

...the scope of that clause really hasn’t been tested.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
3. It means he cant reverse an impeachment via pardon.
Wed Sep 30, 2020, 12:26 PM
Sep 2020

It doesn't mean that he can't pardon while the House is discussing impeaching him or while the Senate is voting not to convict him.

tritsofme

(17,367 posts)
4. That's not how that works.
Wed Sep 30, 2020, 12:29 PM
Sep 2020

Trump’s pardon power was clearly not limited while he was previously under impeachment from the House, nor would it be after November.

This clause means that the president’s pardon power does not allow him to end or reverse impeachment proceedings, nothing more.

FakeNoose

(32,568 posts)
5. Pelosi and Schumer are not going to tip their hand
Wed Sep 30, 2020, 12:33 PM
Sep 2020

... but we can bet they've looked at a lot of different scenarios.

I don't see the value of us speculating when we need to KEEP CALM and GET OUT THE VOTE.




Chainfire

(17,463 posts)
8. You got that right
Wed Sep 30, 2020, 01:08 PM
Sep 2020

The same assholes in the Senate would continue to protect him.

We have to vote him out, and let his legal chips fall where they fall. New York wants him, let them have him. The only way he can remain invulnerable once out of office is to flee the country.

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