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Trump supporter couldn't sleep after debate-shaken & questioning support for potus (Original Post) kpete Oct 2020 OP
Isn't it the Trump supporters who wanted to "shake things up"? Aristus Oct 2020 #1
Well, like some of their response, "Trump is not hurting the right people". Claustrum Oct 2020 #2
Exactly... Aristus Oct 2020 #3
That is exactly what my mother said as to why she voted for him. Earthshine2 Oct 2020 #15
It's just about the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Aristus Oct 2020 #16
I don't think it was racism. I think she is rebelling against liberalism. Earthshine2 Oct 2020 #18
Stems from the same thing: irrational, unreasoning hatred. Aristus Oct 2020 #20
Most of the RW passion against liberalism is fueled Hortensis Oct 2020 #42
It was doing well at the end of Bill Clinton's administration! LisaM Oct 2020 #33
+100%. Aristus Oct 2020 #35
These people have been being programmed for 30+ years by scum like Limbaugh and Fox news hadEnuf Oct 2020 #39
There were noticeably fewer tRump signs marybourg Oct 2020 #4
and yet they watch Fox... stillcool Oct 2020 #5
I am telling you, I think that is what happened with my father. Time zone difference, I got a call LizBeth Oct 2020 #6
because, well, you know Skittles Oct 2020 #7
THIS sis! malaise Oct 2020 #14
"he couldn't sleep" Skittles Oct 2020 #19
Poor baby ailsagirl Oct 2020 #28
He couldn't sleep after the debate? hay rick Oct 2020 #36
Yes. ismnotwasm Oct 2020 #31
But that was "those people" JI7 Oct 2020 #37
Good, that gave a view of the real Trump, and certainly there is much worse. n/t RKP5637 Oct 2020 #8
So he's "questioning" his support for Trump...? Wounded Bear Oct 2020 #9
So Interrupting During A Debate Is Their Line In The Sand??? sfstaxprep Oct 2020 #10
Haha! Too true soothsayer Oct 2020 #13
Listen to your gut, Tim Beck Blue Owl Oct 2020 #11
I think Matt is on to something there qazplm135 Oct 2020 #12
I think you're right! We don't realize how little these people actually follow the news. Chemisse Oct 2020 #30
At the risk of sounding like the Marmalade Mussolini himself... Hugin Oct 2020 #17
Excellent analysis Hugin........nc DENVERPOPS Oct 2020 #21
They should be shaken and stirred Harker Oct 2020 #22
Personally mgardener Oct 2020 #23
I ain't buying that excuse. procon Oct 2020 #24
He's got it easy. I've been shaking since November 9, 2016. OneBro Oct 2020 #25
Another "buyer's remorse" Republican? lonely bird Oct 2020 #26
Probably not far off... GB_RN Oct 2020 #38
--- THIS James48 Oct 2020 #40
It's taken THIS LONG?? ailsagirl Oct 2020 #27
Too funny, that's his appeal to these racist dolts n/t hibbing Oct 2020 #29
That's funny, I couldn't sleep for a different reason. Crowman2009 Oct 2020 #32
Yes! "Cleaned up" is exactly right. tanyev Oct 2020 #34
"cleaned up" and more coherent version" - in other words BumRushDaShow Oct 2020 #41

Aristus

(66,329 posts)
1. Isn't it the Trump supporters who wanted to "shake things up"?
Thu Oct 1, 2020, 04:12 PM
Oct 2020

And they're surprised that they feel shaken?

Claustrum

(4,845 posts)
2. Well, like some of their response, "Trump is not hurting the right people".
Thu Oct 1, 2020, 04:14 PM
Oct 2020

This time, Trump shake the wrong people.

Earthshine2

(4,003 posts)
15. That is exactly what my mother said as to why she voted for him.
Thu Oct 1, 2020, 04:56 PM
Oct 2020

I'ts just another "brick in the wall" between she and I.

Aristus

(66,329 posts)
16. It's just about the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
Thu Oct 1, 2020, 04:58 PM
Oct 2020

The country was doing extremely well by the end of Barack Obama's administration. There was no need to "shake things up".

The Trumpanzees just hated having a black President, that's all.

The "shake things up" crowd is just too chickenshit to admit it...

Earthshine2

(4,003 posts)
18. I don't think it was racism. I think she is rebelling against liberalism.
Thu Oct 1, 2020, 05:07 PM
Oct 2020

In her 30s, Mom would run meetings for NOW (National Organization for Woman) in our house. Can't get more lib than that.

But now, in her 70s, she's just an angry anarchist. She just hates them all, especially HRC.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
42. Most of the RW passion against liberalism is fueled
Thu Oct 1, 2020, 07:34 PM
Oct 2020

by fear of change and equality, of course in the form of racism when it's other races that are threatening. It's been grown and grown so that today it's like a climate fire conflagration consuming all before it.

And then, as now, many women's rights supporters are and were instead so far to the left that their characteristic, wired-in antagonism toward the dominant mainstream liberals is too controlling for them to have attention left for the right. For them, everything, including Trump and the Republicans, is the mainstream liberal Democrats' fault.

Two sides of one irrational and dishonest coin.

LisaM

(27,810 posts)
33. It was doing well at the end of Bill Clinton's administration!
Thu Oct 1, 2020, 06:41 PM
Oct 2020

Why anyone thought turning it over to George Bush to muck up was a good idea will forever baffle me!

hadEnuf

(2,189 posts)
39. These people have been being programmed for 30+ years by scum like Limbaugh and Fox news
Thu Oct 1, 2020, 06:56 PM
Oct 2020

Last edited Thu Oct 1, 2020, 07:29 PM - Edit history (1)

to hate Democrats and Liberals, period. They know nothing else nor do they even really know why they hate them, except for the outright lies they are fed every day. Reality means nothing to them at this point.

That's how fascism works and the only thing fascism understands is the complete and utter destruction of their wretched idiology.

marybourg

(12,631 posts)
4. There were noticeably fewer tRump signs
Thu Oct 1, 2020, 04:20 PM
Oct 2020

in my very red neighborhood than there were just a week ago. And more Biden signs.

stillcool

(32,626 posts)
5. and yet they watch Fox...
Thu Oct 1, 2020, 04:22 PM
Oct 2020

not exactly 'cleaned up'. Shouldn't take more than a few hours of Fox viewing, for those pesky thoughts of 'decorum' to vacate the mind

LizBeth

(9,952 posts)
6. I am telling you, I think that is what happened with my father. Time zone difference, I got a call
Thu Oct 1, 2020, 04:24 PM
Oct 2020

from him the morning after, waking me. I hadn't even had coffee yet.

I didn't get it cause I talk to him often enough and wasn't expecting, all well? call.

After processing and having coffee, I was telling people, like a weight off him, more free. I won't even talk politics, and no way Trump, for four years now. He didn't talk about Trump, but that performance was everything my father is not. He doesn't do the internet at all. I was talking to him about the protest and the clearest message to me was how little he really knew what was going on. He swears he doesn't watch Fox, but he is only around that person.

Anyway, I am coming to what this post says. They had a cleaned up version of Trump. And then they watched debate night. Everything they are not.

My father has one of those "Hunter" sons.

He knows Biden and has probably always respected him. My father just felt free. I am going to call him back later today or tomorrow, after coffee... So I can have a better conversation, but I am hoping.

Wounded Bear

(58,649 posts)
9. So he's "questioning" his support for Trump...?
Thu Oct 1, 2020, 04:32 PM
Oct 2020


Repubs are all suffering from battered spouse syndrome.

Blue Owl

(50,360 posts)
11. Listen to your gut, Tim Beck
Thu Oct 1, 2020, 04:37 PM
Oct 2020

And remember -- this was the "restrained" Donald Trump, not the fully unhinged one...

qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
12. I think Matt is on to something there
Thu Oct 1, 2020, 04:40 PM
Oct 2020

if you are a low info voter, and all you get is friends and family, coworkers and the occasional sanitized news niblet, then yeah seeing Trump in real life is going to be quite a shock.

I think the ramifications of the debate on Tuesday are going to go farther than one might think from initial viewing.

A lot of people may not be ready to vote Biden, but they are second guessing voting Trump, and even if only 10-15 percent of them decide to stay home, that's a big deal. And if 5 percent actually vote for Biden, that's a really big deal.

Chemisse

(30,811 posts)
30. I think you're right! We don't realize how little these people actually follow the news.
Thu Oct 1, 2020, 06:26 PM
Oct 2020

And yet every Trumper wants to tune in to see their guy lambast the leftie.

But what they see is a little piece of the horror that is Trump.

Hugin

(33,139 posts)
17. At the risk of sounding like the Marmalade Mussolini himself...
Thu Oct 1, 2020, 05:04 PM
Oct 2020

This is largely the result of the mass media normalizing and filtering the raw uncut monster instead of reporting the facts directly as they were presented.

Why were they were doing this? Denial? I'm not sure. But, as of Tuesday night there were millions of viewers who's cognitive dissonance was instantly shattered when they found that many of the extreme descriptions of Trump and his sick behaviors were not exaggerations. In fact, they may be understated.

mgardener

(1,816 posts)
23. Personally
Thu Oct 1, 2020, 05:25 PM
Oct 2020

He should have had the same thought 4 years ago when he heard the recording, "grab them by the pussy".
Or when he found out that Trump paid an adult film star for sex a few weeks after his 3rd wife gave birth to his 5th child.
Or when he heard the recording of Trump basically telling Woodward that he lied about COVID and 210,000 Americans are dead.
I really question his judgement.
He's upset that the POTUS was rude??!!!
I question his judgement

procon

(15,805 posts)
24. I ain't buying that excuse.
Thu Oct 1, 2020, 05:31 PM
Oct 2020

Trump's been doing that same Trumpian crap since he became a candidate. After 4 or 5 years of watching his "lack of decorum" on an almost daily basis, Trump did the same thing for the debate so this came as no surprise.

The only thing that was different was Joe Biden was also on the stage and acting normal, like a real president. For the most part Biden was calm, dignified and knowledgeable.

That contrast put Trump's thuggish behavior in the spotlight, and that's what finally shook that man awake. Many people like him have forgotten how an authentic president acts. They don't remember that normal public speech does not mean yelling, swearing or lying. Biden was the living reminder of what we have lost to Trump, the lack of statesmanship, gravitas and integrity that was once included with US Presidents in the past.

lonely bird

(1,685 posts)
26. Another "buyer's remorse" Republican?
Thu Oct 1, 2020, 05:57 PM
Oct 2020

People, people, people.

You knew, you fucking knew, what this guy was. The evidence was there to be seen by all. But no, the Black guy in the White House was too damn much for you to deal with. After him, my god, a woman??? Can’t have that especially if it was Hillary.

If Obama had done 1/100th of the crap pulled by the Velveeta Vulgarian (thanks, Shower Cap!) Republicans wood have grabbed the lynch ropes.

I give this country 50 years, max, before it completely disintegrates.

GB_RN

(2,350 posts)
38. Probably not far off...
Thu Oct 1, 2020, 06:51 PM
Oct 2020

I’ve (jokingly) said for a while now, that we’re going to have to give the Reichwingers someplace...like Talibama, or Oklahoma (feel free to make another suggestion)...and let ‘em all move there.

They give up rights as US citizens. They get no support from the US. They can do whatever the fuck they want within the confines of their little fucked up, regressive hell, but they can’t come out and bother the rest of the civilized world after that.

The benefits for the rest of us: The Klanbaggers and other such Kochroaches are gone, AND they’re in one place where we can keep an eye on them. Maybe even fence them in if needed. You know, finally give them the wall that Agent Orange promised them all this time.

Maybe it’s time to actually consider this🧐

Crowman2009

(2,495 posts)
32. That's funny, I couldn't sleep for a different reason.
Thu Oct 1, 2020, 06:31 PM
Oct 2020

Mainly because I was so fired up about Joe Biden easily defeating that clown and am ready to vote on Nov. 3rd. I would vote absentee, but I don't trust the GOPer-controlled Secretary of State office here in Bamastan.

I was so fired up that could make some random guy in a bowler had spontaneously combust through the power of my rockin' like Rob Halford did at the end of that "You Got Another Thing Coming" video.

tanyev

(42,553 posts)
34. Yes! "Cleaned up" is exactly right.
Thu Oct 1, 2020, 06:43 PM
Oct 2020

Over and over again I’ve observed after Trump says, does, or tweets something bat-shit crazy, the mainstream media write-up will be “President Trump expressed his displeasure blah, blah, blah, the goal of his administration is to blah, blah blah”, putting a sane and rational veneer on a man that is neither.

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