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Thu Oct 1, 2020, 04:44 PM

"I did not support Medicare for All; I do not support it now" -- Joe Biden today

...on his whistle stop train tour.

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Reply "I did not support Medicare for All; I do not support it now" -- Joe Biden today (Original post)
brooklynite Oct 2020 OP
Turin_C3PO Oct 2020 #1
Budi Oct 2020 #6
Doremus Oct 2020 #2
demmiblue Oct 2020 #3
Indykatie Oct 2020 #12
George II Oct 2020 #35
Budi Oct 2020 #4
Post removed Oct 2020 #5
brush Oct 2020 #8
redstatebluegirl Oct 2020 #9
Caliman73 Oct 2020 #22
moonscape Oct 2020 #15
SlogginThroughIt Oct 2020 #36
George II Oct 2020 #37
Wounded Bear Oct 2020 #7
ProfessorGAC Oct 2020 #10
pwb Oct 2020 #11
CTyankee Oct 2020 #30
NutmegYankee Oct 2020 #13
Boogiemack Oct 2020 #17
NutmegYankee Oct 2020 #21
ismnotwasm Oct 2020 #14
chowder66 Oct 2020 #16
MoonlitKnight Oct 2020 #18
LineReply K
mcar Oct 2020 #19
BlueIdaho Oct 2020 #20
SoonerPride Oct 2020 #23
mzmolly Oct 2020 #24
betsuni Oct 2020 #33
mzmolly Oct 2020 #38
aikoaiko Oct 2020 #25
JI7 Oct 2020 #26
onetexan Oct 2020 #28
Yavin4 Oct 2020 #27
roamer65 Oct 2020 #29
CTyankee Oct 2020 #32
SMC22307 Oct 2020 #31
Politicub Oct 2020 #34

Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Oct 1, 2020, 04:46 PM

1. I just hope

we can win the Senate and enact a second ACA to include a public option.

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Response to Turin_C3PO (Reply #1)

Thu Oct 1, 2020, 04:55 PM

6. That is how we improve on everything that the GOP fought Obama against.

 

Republicans need to be left in a minority for a really long time.
They should have no more chances to muck up the good that our Democrats do for the people of this fine country.

Imagine the advances Biden could do for America & the world, if given a full Dem Senate & House.

November is when Repubs are told to sit down & be quiet.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Oct 1, 2020, 04:47 PM

2. Not new. He's said so all along. nt

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Response to Doremus (Reply #2)

Thu Oct 1, 2020, 04:48 PM

3. Yeah, I don't get the point of this post. n/t

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Response to demmiblue (Reply #3)

Thu Oct 1, 2020, 06:21 PM

12. I Read a Story This Week That Bernie Was Saying that Biden Does In Fact Support Med4All

Why Bernie would offer up that comment at this time makes no sense. He has to know that Med4All is not widely approved even among Democrats. He also knows Biden has been clear about not supporting it.

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Response to Indykatie (Reply #12)

Thu Oct 1, 2020, 09:44 PM

35. Biden supports UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE, which is what 70% of Americans support....

Biden's intention is to strengthen and expand the ACA.

Unfortunately advocates of "Medicare for All" have rolled up all the various universal healthcare plans into one and have been calling them "Medicare for All", which is false and misleading.

As a matter of fact, only a fraction of that 70% of Americans really support "M4A".

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Oct 1, 2020, 04:50 PM

4. Thank you Joe Biden. 💙🥂

 

I really like the improvements to ACA he has in the planning.

M4A pales in compare to it.
And after 4 yrs of hearing the words M4A, there still is no comprehensive nor affordable proposal.

Stick with the work & wisdom of Joe...💙

👍

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Thu Oct 1, 2020, 05:18 PM

8. Medicare for All would not be my choice single-payer healtcare...

as it only pays 80% of medical bills. The rest is up to the patient or a separate supplemental plan that the patient has to pay for monthly.

We can do better than that. The important thing now however is to win the election and not get Dems riled up and divided over policies not yet in place.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #5)

Thu Oct 1, 2020, 05:21 PM

9. Having just gone on medicare in May I can tell you it isn't as good as the insurance I had

from my employer. I have a supplemental policy that costs me $124 a month, Medicare is $145. My insurance from my employer cost me $210 a month and was easier to work with. I forgot you need a Part D plan for drugs, mine is $33 a month.

I think young people really don't understand what medicare is, they think you pay nothing or next to nothing, not really.

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Response to redstatebluegirl (Reply #9)

Thu Oct 1, 2020, 07:30 PM

22. You have to remember that Medicare was intentionally crippled by Republicans since its beginnings

They carved out exceptions and put in provisions that made it lesser than, on purpose. There is no reason why Medicare should not cover dental, vision, and medications on its own. England has the NHS and Canada has a comprehensive system. And yes, I know that neither

I pay an additional $11,000 per year to cover my 2 children and spouse on my insurance. I am covered by my employer. Plus I have to have separate Vision and Dental too.

The coverages can be adjusted in Medicare and things can be fixed, but we are fighting lobbies for private hospitals, pharmaceutical companies, and other providers who want to get paid.

I think that most people don't understand that Medicare was sabotaged from the beginning because there are groups out there that want to keep health care as a commodity and not something that all people have access to.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #5)

Thu Oct 1, 2020, 06:39 PM

15. ACA was always about baby steps wasn't it? It is

what could get through Congress and even then was razor thin. It became more popular as folks got used to it, and the idea was always to build on it.

ACA needs some reform, and adding a public option would be a strong next step. I see MFA in this harshly divided country as unrealistic. We have so much repair work to do that sucking the oxygen out of the room with that fight might be a mistaken priority.

The country is simply not as left as I am and for me, understanding that is (almost) as important as it is for Repubs to understand this is not the far right country they want either. This gives me patience, as long as we're moving in the right direction, and adding a public option is doing that imo.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #5)

Thu Oct 1, 2020, 09:54 PM

36. Excuse me? If we win... We #%*ing win!

 

Come on what kind of nonsense is this?

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Response to Post removed (Reply #5)

Thu Oct 1, 2020, 09:55 PM

37. Are you saying that even if Biden wins, "we don't win"? Did you seriously say that?

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Oct 1, 2020, 04:59 PM

7. He'll sign whatever Congress sends him regarding health care improvement...

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Oct 1, 2020, 05:24 PM

10. This Is A Thing?

First, he's said it before. Consistency is a good thing.
Second, he was among the architects of the ACA. Personal pride would compel one to improve & solidify an achievement that already worked for tens of millions. What would anybody expect him to say?

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Oct 1, 2020, 05:28 PM

11. How about Medicare if you want it?

That sounds good to me. If you don't you don't .

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Response to pwb (Reply #11)

Thu Oct 1, 2020, 07:38 PM

30. And some don't. And they get sick or injured and who pays the bill?

It is totally selfish not to pay for your health care through our SS system. Don't like it? Well, then come up with a better alternative but in the meantime, pay for what you are getting under the present plans you can get.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Oct 1, 2020, 06:28 PM

13. Medicare really isn't that great.

We can do far better.

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Response to NutmegYankee (Reply #13)

Thu Oct 1, 2020, 06:54 PM

17. Medicare is good. At least the kind we had BUT it ain't cheap and without a secondary or

 

supplemental it's a nightmare.

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Response to Boogiemack (Reply #17)

Thu Oct 1, 2020, 07:13 PM

21. That's my point. We can create a primary single payer that is far better.

Or create markets like we have, but with better subsidies. Or even a single payer, but with multiple companies to choose from with premiums covered.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Oct 1, 2020, 06:34 PM

14. Good

Itís a shit idea without infrastructure to support it.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Oct 1, 2020, 06:51 PM

16. Much of the ACA has been litigated in court so I think it's best to build on it. nt

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Oct 1, 2020, 06:54 PM

18. Just win baby

We can discuss this in February.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Oct 1, 2020, 06:57 PM

19. K

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Oct 1, 2020, 06:58 PM

20. Step One

Elect Joe Biden, Step Two - elect a Democratic Senate, Step Three - build on our Democratic House.

Everything else can wait.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Oct 1, 2020, 07:32 PM

23. Good.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Oct 1, 2020, 07:34 PM

24. He supports a public option.

Bernie's 2016 plan, essentially.

Shit we are having a hard time keeping the ACA.

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Response to mzmolly (Reply #24)

Thu Oct 1, 2020, 08:30 PM

33. Not Bernie's plan. Hillary ran on a public option in 2008 and 2016, Obama

ran on a public option in 2008.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Oct 1, 2020, 07:35 PM

25. Win. Evolve.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Oct 1, 2020, 07:35 PM

26. He supports his own plans which includes ACA expansion

Those are things they have already done and more than a slogan.

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Response to JI7 (Reply #26)

Thu Oct 1, 2020, 07:37 PM

28. Thank you!

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Oct 1, 2020, 07:36 PM

27. Over time, the Public Option will become Medicare for All.

Any plan where people can buy health insurance from the govt will become Medicare for All.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Oct 1, 2020, 07:37 PM

29. He will change after he's elected.

We eventually will have a single payer system.

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #29)

Thu Oct 1, 2020, 07:39 PM

32. Yup. And everyone will love it, like they did Medicare and Obamacare.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Oct 1, 2020, 07:38 PM

31. Did he talk about lowering the age to 60 like he did before? Or better yet, 55? (n/t)

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Oct 1, 2020, 08:35 PM

34. I'm happy with my ACA plan. I was able to leave a job

that made me unhappy because I could purchase my own insurance through the exchange.

Actually, to be honest, I LOVE the ACA. And the public option will get us closer to universal coverage.

Biden is committed to making the ACA better and better. If the Supreme Court tampers with the ACA, and we have both houses and the presidency, then M4A will be the only solution.

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