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JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 10:58 AM Sep 2012

Was Mitt Romney Planning On Stealing The Election In Florida?

Sept. 26, 2012 Why Nathal Sproul is not in jail is a mystery, after a long history of charges he manipulated the 2004, 2008 and now the 2012 Election.

Nathan Sproul stands accused of destroying Democrat Registration forms in the past, has been hired by the Republican party to help Romney win in Florida and other states.

The Romney campaign hired a company called Strategic Allied Consulting and fired them last night when more than 100 fraudulent registration forms were found in Palm Beach County Florida. But there’s more.

Strategic Allied is a shell company operated by Nathan Sproul. The Florida Supervisor of Elections reported the fraud which included:

1) Shredding Democrat voter registration forms in Florida and other states such as: North Carolina, Virginia and Colorado.

2) The GOP party paid this firm $667,000.00 this year to run campaigns in Florida, that would diminish democratic votes.

3) The Romney campaign hired Nathan Sproul as a political consultant last year knowing full well that he was accused of fraud in the past.

4) Election officials are investigating voter registration cards that were shredded or destroyed by the firm, and signatures were altered or changed on others.

5) Over 106 applications were flagged in a submission batch of 304 turned in on Sept 5, 2012 by the contractor of the Republican party.

The rest: http://www.politicolnews.com/gop-hired-fraud-company-destroy-voter-registrations-of-democrats/

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Was Mitt Romney Planning On Stealing The Election In Florida? (Original Post) JaneyVee Sep 2012 OP
Do bears poop in the woods? nt LiberalEsto Sep 2012 #1
YES! JaneyVee Sep 2012 #2
K&R this needs to go viral! SunsetDreams Sep 2012 #3
Why does this site keep using "Democrat" instead of Fawke Em Sep 2012 #4
It's deliberately offensive. Anyone who does it is following in the footsteps of Joseph McCarthy Glorfindel Sep 2012 #8
I caught that too - it's a term (and insult) from the McCarthy era. George II Sep 2012 #16
This mistake is made by many on the right... Swede Atlanta Sep 2012 #17
They GOP big-wigs/leaders do it deliberately. NYC Liberal Sep 2012 #23
publicans The Wizard Sep 2012 #42
That's okay, I call them Sneering Facist Plutocrat Cha Sep 2012 #47
At least you're polite about it! NYC Liberal Sep 2012 #56
A better response JackHughes Sep 2012 #28
this is a non-issue. So the two major partys are the Republicans and the Democratics?....seems like crazyjoe Sep 2012 #44
It's not really a stupid issue, imv. It's the Democratic Cha Sep 2012 #48
It is stupid, so are you a democrat or are you a democratic? crazyjoe Sep 2012 #57
Like I said ..it's used as an adjective so Cha Sep 2012 #58
Simple answer ... aggiesal Sep 2012 #34
K&R nt avebury Sep 2012 #5
In 2004, Sproul had large RNC-funded operations in California and Oregon Blue Meany Sep 2012 #6
Wonder where else he's at work right now! nt flamingdem Sep 2012 #9
Keep plugging away. Baitball Blogger Sep 2012 #7
Exactly! Too many Floridians have been brainwashed to believe there is nothing they can do, jonesgirl Sep 2012 #31
MittCo will attempt to steal the election wherever they can. NV Whino Sep 2012 #10
+ infinity Faux pas Sep 2012 #18
Here are some oldies but goodies starroute Sep 2012 #11
Call me crazy, or stupid even, but I've been wondering lately Aldo Leopold Sep 2012 #12
He's running to make his tax burden EC Sep 2012 #15
That exactly right. The culmination of his entire career. Absolute zero. silvershadow Sep 2012 #55
His father's rep as Governor of Michigan opened doors that made Mittens BlueCaliDem Sep 2012 #24
The has crossed my mind as well. nt lexw Sep 2012 #27
Romney is just a presidential hobbyist JackHughes Sep 2012 #30
one up his dad? icarusxat Sep 2012 #43
sure. and PA, and every other state trying to float voter 'fraud' laws phantom power Sep 2012 #13
The GOP party plans on stealing the election period and Iliyah Sep 2012 #14
"It ain't over til it's over" left-of-center2012 Sep 2012 #19
My point exactly. Third Doctor Sep 2012 #22
Those are my sentiments, too. hamsterjill Sep 2012 #35
I'm the same way... cheezmaka Sep 2012 #45
People who do this kind of shit, should be Hubert Flottz Sep 2012 #20
Planning? bluedigger Sep 2012 #21
Why isn't Romney in jail? B Calm Sep 2012 #25
He did lie about his residency to get elected Mass. Gov. The Wielding Truth Sep 2012 #29
He may have committed voter fraud and that's why he won't release 2009 and other tax returns: Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2012 #40
Is the sky blue? liberal N proud Sep 2012 #26
This needs to be on MSM, or at least MSNBC, today........... northoftheborder Sep 2012 #32
was? robinlynne Sep 2012 #33
Is this something that AG Holder should be investigating? n/t arthritisR_US Sep 2012 #36
They did it before, so yes, they would definitely do it again if they could get away with it. sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #37
Hi Sabrina! Turborama Sep 2012 #53
Hi Turborama! So nice to see you again. sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #54
I researched and there is nothing on this on CNN - nada riverbendviewgal Sep 2012 #38
Check out what the Osceola Co Supervisor of Elections is under fire about... jonesgirl Sep 2012 #39
KICK glinda Sep 2012 #41
duh.... alittlelark Sep 2012 #46
They can't win unless they cheat... so it stands to reason they'll do whatever it takes. Tigress DEM Sep 2012 #49
When will they pay? DirtyDawg Sep 2012 #50
Perhaps Rmoney wasn't being delusional at all when he insisted he would win the election. ailsagirl Sep 2012 #51
UPDATE on Nathan Sproul from BRADBLOG: freshwest Sep 2012 #52

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
4. Why does this site keep using "Democrat" instead of
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 11:05 AM
Sep 2012

"Democratic?"

It's an adjective describing the forms!

Glorfindel

(9,729 posts)
8. It's deliberately offensive. Anyone who does it is following in the footsteps of Joseph McCarthy
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 11:22 AM
Sep 2012

Newt Gingrich, Bob Dole, and other assorted Repuke. An interesting article on the subject:

http://www.npr.org/blogs/ombudsman/2010/03/since_when_did_it_become_the_d.html

 

Swede Atlanta

(3,596 posts)
17. This mistake is made by many on the right...
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 12:24 PM
Sep 2012

They refer to everything as Democrat rather than Democratic. It is either because they are uneducated and cannot communicate using proper English construction or they do this deliberately.

When I see it and I am responding I use the term "republic"...e.g. The republic candidate did so and so.....

It drives me crazy but I respond in kind.

NYC Liberal

(20,136 posts)
23. They GOP big-wigs/leaders do it deliberately.
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 12:52 PM
Sep 2012

It's been in use on and off for a long time (since the 40s or 50s I believe), but the Republicans started using it consistently and deliberately around 1994 when Frank Luntz decreed it.

The average Joe Republican probably uses it out of ignorance because that's all they hear on Faux rather than out of some deliberate strategy.

The Wizard

(12,545 posts)
42. publicans
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 10:41 PM
Sep 2012

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
For other uses, see Publican (disambiguation).

This article needs additional citations for verification. Please help improve this article by adding citations to reliable sources. Unsourced material may be challenged and removed. (April 2007)
In antiquity, publicans (Greek ???ώ??? telōnēs; Latin publicanus (singular); publicani (plural)) were public contractors, in which role they often supplied the Roman legions and military, managed the collection of port duties, and oversaw public building projects. In addition, they served as tax collectors for the Republic (and later the Roman Empire), bidding on contracts (from the Senate in Rome) for the collection of various types of taxes. Importantly, this role as tax collectors was not emphasized until late into the history of the Republic (c. 1st century BC). The publicans were usually of the class of equites.

JackHughes

(166 posts)
28. A better response
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 01:14 PM
Sep 2012

When Republicans use that lame "Democrat Party" nonsense, Democrats should respond with "RepublicanIST Party."

That "IST" carries a lot more negative rhetorical baggage, i.e., Communist, Fascist, Anarchist, Islamist, etc. It correctly groups Republicans with other radical movements.

 

crazyjoe

(1,191 posts)
44. this is a non-issue. So the two major partys are the Republicans and the Democratics?....seems like
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 11:43 PM
Sep 2012

a stupid issue to me, who the f**k cares. The latest polls show Obama creaming Romney in all the important states, we got this thing in the bag.
I'm a democrat, and all you republic's can kiss my ass.

Cha

(297,207 posts)
48. It's not really a stupid issue, imv. It's the Democratic
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 11:51 PM
Sep 2012

Party..used as an adjective. The stupids are the gops who think they're so clever when all they have are LIES.

 

crazyjoe

(1,191 posts)
57. It is stupid, so are you a democrat or are you a democratic?
Fri Sep 28, 2012, 10:15 PM
Sep 2012

the democrats said this or the democrats said that.....that's fine, no issue.
the democrat party.....oh my god, i'm sooo insulted
the democratic party.... that's better, now i'm not insulted.

give me a break...

aggiesal

(8,914 posts)
34. Simple answer ...
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 01:38 PM
Sep 2012

Because their idiots. Ooops! Was that too harsh.

The term Democrat Party apparently originated from the McCarthy
era, but it is currently propogated by Rushbo Lumbutt.
They did it to make the party sound more like an offensive DemocRAT party,
then a Democratic Party.

When I hear friends say Democrat party, I do 2 things,
1- I immediately correct it and say it's Democratic party, look it up.
2- I tell them to stop listen to that blow-hard Rush.

 

Blue Meany

(1,947 posts)
6. In 2004, Sproul had large RNC-funded operations in California and Oregon
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 11:10 AM
Sep 2012

as well the better known ones in Nevada, Arizona and Pennsylvnia.

jonesgirl

(157 posts)
31. Exactly! Too many Floridians have been brainwashed to believe there is nothing they can do,
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 01:20 PM
Sep 2012

therefore they just shake their heads and say, "thats the way it is around here." It's pitiful to see how much stronghold the "higher uppers" have on them.

Aldo Leopold

(685 posts)
12. Call me crazy, or stupid even, but I've been wondering lately
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 11:48 AM
Sep 2012

whether running for President is, in Romney's mind, just another way of making money in the short or long term.

I don't know how one would make money running for President, but that doesn't mean it's not possible. There's been much discussion on this site and elsewhere about why Romney is running for President, and speculation that not even he knows why he's doing it (other than the - in my opinion - lame explanations that he feels he is "owed" that position, or to one-up his father).

But if you just step back look at Romney's adult life, hasn't it all been about lining his own pockets? Why should this current venture of his deviate from that incredibly consistent life mission?

EC

(12,287 posts)
15. He's running to make his tax burden
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 11:55 AM
Sep 2012

zero. He wants to lower taxes on capital gains to zero, meaning he and his ilk will be paying no taxes while ours will raise to make up the difference. He'll also put in laws to allow him to hide more cash without penelty...there are plenty of ways he can change laws to make more profit for himself.

 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
55. That exactly right. The culmination of his entire career. Absolute zero.
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 03:26 AM
Sep 2012

Because he has no earned income, it will enable him to live in a country where he shelters the rest offshore, contributes absolutely nothing to provide for the common defense, or promote the general welfare of the masses.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
24. His father's rep as Governor of Michigan opened doors that made Mittens
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 12:55 PM
Sep 2012

a LOT of money he'd otherwise not have had access to.

Now, if one's father as governor can open doors as beneficial as hat, can you imagine being a former president can do for one's profits?

JackHughes

(166 posts)
30. Romney is just a presidential hobbyist
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 01:17 PM
Sep 2012

Romney is just a presidential hobbyist -- like other rich guys buy sports teams or fly balloons around the world.

Romney is running for president just because he wants to be president -- and it shows.

icarusxat

(403 posts)
43. one up his dad?
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 11:32 PM
Sep 2012

then release 13 years of tax returns instead of showing the world you are less than one tenth of the man...

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
19. "It ain't over til it's over"
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 12:26 PM
Sep 2012

I won't breath easy until all the votes are counted and Obama is declared the winner.
The GOP has stolen elections before, and this nationwide GOP voter suppression crap
is anti-American and criminal, IMHO.

Third Doctor

(1,574 posts)
22. My point exactly.
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 12:48 PM
Sep 2012

It's not the time to rest on our oars. The race is far from over and conservatives are notorious for voting against their own best interests. We have voter suppression and unlimited GOP funding on top of that also to deal with.

hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
35. Those are my sentiments, too.
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 01:41 PM
Sep 2012

I seem to remember talk of Kerry being ahead in polls, and then I had another four year long nightmare with the Shrub in the oval office.

I will take nothing for granted.

cheezmaka

(737 posts)
45. I'm the same way...
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 11:44 PM
Sep 2012

I plan to keep working and register voters until Oct. 9th. I'll work up until Nov. 6. I wont relax until Obama is declared the winner. If we all get voters to the polls, we can have enough votes to supress the voter suppression... Although Obama is ahead in a lot of polls, I'll still work like he's over 5 points behind...

Hubert Flottz

(37,726 posts)
20. People who do this kind of shit, should be
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 12:32 PM
Sep 2012

stoned to death by the people they cheated. But these bastards don't just cheat those voters, what they do screws us all. Slaps on the wrist emboldens the criminal. If the DoJ can prove these criminals are doing this, those people should never see the light of day again.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
37. They did it before, so yes, they would definitely do it again if they could get away with it.
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 01:46 PM
Sep 2012

But why is this guy allowed anywhere near our elections? As to why he would be hired by Republicans? Well, the Mafia hires hit men they know are experienced in their 'field'.

Republicans hire people accused of election fraud. Same story.

Dems should take out big ads in Florida with his photo and what he is accused of and the question 'why is Romney paying this guy' to work on his campaign?

I wonder how many more of them there are.

Turborama

(22,109 posts)
53. Hi Sabrina!
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 02:29 AM
Sep 2012

How goes it? Long time no bump into each other...

Absolutely agree, full page ads in local, even national, papers.

How to get that idea to the two Davids (in case they haven't already thought of it)?

This is an urgent matter. The scales need to be removed from the general public's eyes, and pronto!

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
54. Hi Turborama! So nice to see you again.
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 02:38 AM
Sep 2012

I've been thinking about you

I agree they will do anything to win, we know that. Public exposure of their behavior is probably the best way to shine a light on their criminal behavior.

Maybe some of the organizations, like ColorForChange eg, could raise some funds to put ads in big national newspapers. They are very good at that kind of thing.

But you are right, it is an urgent matter and I'm sure they are up to more dirty tricks we haven't discovered yet.

jonesgirl

(157 posts)
39. Check out what the Osceola Co Supervisor of Elections is under fire about...
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 01:58 PM
Sep 2012
http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/veterans-protest-outside-elections-supervisors-off/nSG8q/

Ms Arrington just blows it off. If she is that desperate, I wonder what else she is/has done while in office?

Tigress DEM

(7,887 posts)
49. They can't win unless they cheat... so it stands to reason they'll do whatever it takes.
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 12:44 AM
Sep 2012

Hope this gets covered by at least SOME of the news stations. CNN or NPR at least.

 

DirtyDawg

(802 posts)
50. When will they pay?
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 01:53 AM
Sep 2012

These people are everywhere and until they are made to understand that there is a price to pay for the deceit, the lying, the worst kind of thievery imaginable, they won't stop. What price and when? Sorry, but I just re-agreed to the terms of membership here so I probably shouldn't say what I believe...but since the SOB seems to live in Arizona, a headless body dumped in the desert comes to mind.

ailsagirl

(22,896 posts)
51. Perhaps Rmoney wasn't being delusional at all when he insisted he would win the election.
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 02:00 AM
Sep 2012

Some DU-ers were speculating that maybe Nitt knows something we don't. His campaign has hit the skids; his numbers are trailing the President's; sparse crowds and lackluster folks show up at his rallies; and he's the joke of the politicos of both parties. But none of these things will matter one whit if the plan is to throw every swing state (each having repuke governors) to Nitt.
This scenario wouldn't ever occur to me except that it happened in 2004 when techno guru Mike Connell manipulated the numbers to give Ohio to dubya. The exit polls, always a sound indicator of who's winning, suddenly 'flipped'-- remember that? And politicos were scratching their heads over this anomaly.
I fervently hope I am wrong. Nothing would make me happier.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
52. UPDATE on Nathan Sproul from BRADBLOG:
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 02:15 AM
Sep 2012
FL GOP FIRES ROMNEY CONSULTANT'S VOTER REGISTRATION FIRM AFTER FRAUD REPORTED IN PALM BEACH COUNTY

The Republican Party of Florida's top recipient of 2012 expenditures, a firm by the name of Strategic Allied Consulting, was fired on Tuesday night, after more than 100 apparently fraudulent voter registration forms were discovered to have been turned in by the group to the Palm Beach County, FL Supervisor of Elections.

The firm appears to be another shell company of Nathan Sproul, a longtime, notorious Republican operative, hired year after year by GOP Presidential campaigns, despite being accused of shredding Democratic voter registration forms in a number of states over several past elections.

According to the Center for Responsive Politics, Strategic Allied Consulting has been paid some $667,000 this year by the FL GOP, presumably to run its voter registration campaigns in the state. That number, however, does not account for another identical payment made in August. The Palm Beach Post is reporting tonight that the firm received "more than $1.3 million" from the Republican Party of Florida "to register new voters."


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=post&forum=1014&pid=245256

He's still doing dirty deeds in the swing states, though. But this may help in Florida...

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