There is a growing anger evident on my TV this morning.

[madaboutharry]

There is more backlash than sympathy. No one is celebrating any person's illness, but there is a lot of anger over the behavior of Trump and those around him.

The Trump family refusing to wear masks at the debate.
The White House trying to keep Hope Hick's positive test and illness from the public.
The White House not notifying the Biden Campaign.
Trump campaigning in New Jersey on Thursday.
Kayleigh McEnany holding a press briefing after known exposure.

All on top of the 8 months of lying, denial, and irresponsible behavior..

[Baitball Blogger]

1. At least they're consistent.

[diverdownjt]

16. My wory...

Was Biden exposed at the debate?

[Harker]

18. One more reason to be glad

that they didn't shake hands and whisper in each other's ears.

[Texin]

56. It's hard to be "glad" and it's Karmically really, really bad.

I'll just say I'm not surprised. It's pretty amazing that after living for 74+ years without any any infection (if that's really true) that the viral infection he contracted is the deadly lalapalooza hitting Mother Earth right now.

[calimary]

66. I know exactly what you mean.

Do not want to celebrate someone else's misfortune. Besides, WE are the empathy crowd.

I am keeping a REEEEEEEEEEEALLY tight leash on myself and my feelings.

[LymphocyteLover]

68. yeah, agree

[jaxexpat]

79. "WE are the empathy crowd."

True and, with that, also true is that we sprung from the freedom to speak, freedom to act, freedom to remind others their freedoms end at the end of our nose and freedom to make our own minds up, crowd. We are also volunteers for the preservation of legitimate, universal ideals crowd, no respecters of superstition, supportive of innovation and fearless before the challenges of an unknown tomorrow. With certain knowledge that no one is justified while anyone is denied justice.

Try a choke chain, it'll let you breathe between lunges better.

[Mr.Bill]

82. My thoughts are very positive about

how every single person on the planet will be better off without Trump.

[wnylib]

100. I cannot feel empathy for either one of them.

Not when I think about the thousands who died and the ones who recovered but have permanent lung or heart damage and thousands of dollars of medical bills without an income. Or the people out of work and losing their homes. Not when I remember the coat that Melania wore to visit the parentless children in a US concentration camp.

I restrain myself from wishing them ill, but feel that they earned their own karma.

[Amaryllis]

113. WIth you, Sister.

[Harker]

83. I'm glad he didn't get in Joe Biden's face at the debate.

That's what I meant.

I'm mindful of Karma.

[Baitball Blogger]

19. It's a huge worry.

Hopefully he got tested. But he needs to do another test in a few days.

They'll announce once they get results.

[Rebl2]

42. Hope they

don’t use those quick turn around tests. I think they provide too many false negatives. They have used one in my parents nursing home and I think they are finding many false negatives among employees. They go on to be positive a few days later with symptoms and now they have spread it to others including residents.

[oldsoftie]

70. He's tested negative but probably should be tested every couple days.

[yellowdogintexas]

92. I should expect he and the entire team are tested regularly

considering he is out and about and under SecSev protection.

[wnylib]

98. Joe and Jill have tested negative.

For safety, I'm sure they will monitor this with retesting.

[soldierant]

110. He and Dr. Jill have since tested and are negative.

I realize that's not carved in stone, but it''s better than the reverse.

[DownriverDem]

99. My fear

is that if trump doesn't make it he will become a martyr.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

101. There is a certain danger that if he doesn't make it,

people who now won't vote for Trump will be willing to vote for Pence, making the outcome of the election a lot tighter.

[wnylib]

103. So let's hope he hangs on until Nov 3.

After that, well.........

[Baitball Blogger]

102. People will continue dying from the coronavirus he failed to take seriously.

There will be limits to the spread of people who see him as a martyr, and not a cautionary tale.

[onetexan]

123. Martyr my butt. Least of our worries. I doubt most americans would care

Except his rabid base.

[Captain Zero]

124. Yeah but they will name schools after his dumbass

nt

[onetexan]

126. LOL by now we all know he's a known racist so i doubt us libs will allow that

I know i w be one protesting. He w be an aberrance in the country's political history.

[Progressive dog]

2. Rightly so.

Trump and those around him are criminals who are willing to kill (and are continuing to kill) to keep him power.

[yardwork]

3. There should be anger.

[lastlib]

59. I HOPE it translates into VOTES!!!

Yes, be angry, by all means. But the expression and release of that anger should come at the polls. I want to see the occupant of the White House go down in a CRUSHING, HUMILIATING landslide of historic Goldwateresque proportions. Then I hope he endures a LO-O-O-O-ONNNNnng lingering debilitating battle against the virus. I want him to experience the pain and suffering that more than 200,000 Americans have felt because of his incompetence and lust for power. Then I hope he has a quick embarrassing trial, followed by LENGTHY prison terms, all of which combines to reduce him and his spawn to the level of a beggar on the streets.

[gademocrat7]

4. Negligent evil

perpetrated on our country.

[better]

7. Respectfully, I disagree.

It's not mere negligence.
It's apathy.

[Lars39]

10. I'd call it malice.

[Auggie]

20. +1

[better]

31. I wouldn't entirely disagree.

My caveat would be that the malice is reserved only for those on the left.
But the apathy is for everyone.

[Texin]

53. Exactly. The virus affects a disproportionate number of black and brown people and the elderly.

The rethugs have never given a flying fuck about these groups for DECADES. They were probably privately grinning and counting the body bags in the runup to the *election* that they hoped to fleece out of the American voters -- as usual. They've been wanting to throw granny and gramps over a cliff in their wheelchairs since FDR passed Social Security and LBJ passed Medicare.

[Lars39]

60. Well said!

[lagomorph777]

35. It's neither negligence nor apathy. It's biological warfare against America.

Trump's terrorist weapons factory just blew up in his face.

[Cha]

109. Purposely Negligent Evil.

[Sneederbunk]

5. Incompetence on display.

[FakeNoose]

6. People need to understand what "asymptomatic" means

All those ChumpHumpers need to realize that when someone is asymptomatic - they HAVE THE VIRUS! They are exposing other people and getting others sick.

That's exactly what Chump, Hope Hicks, and Chump's entire family were doing. I'm certain that they knew Hope was sick before yesterday. It didn't just happen after the debate. White House employees get tested regularly, at least once or twice a week, so Hope had to be tested. They kept it quiet that she was positive, until it was leaked to Bloomberg. By then she was really sick, but she had already exposed many others including Chump and his family.

If you're asymptomatic, you have the virus. You're giving it to other people including your family and friends. Wake up America. Stay home, wear a mask whenever you go out, whenever you are with other people. Practice social distancing always, wash hands regularly. We could all be asymptomatic and there's no vaccine or cure available.

[Eyeball_Kid]

25. I haven't heard that Hicks was showing symptoms. If so, then she's at risk

for a lot of very serious after effects, at a minimum.

[BumRushDaShow]

30. Yes she was - Bloomberg News broke the story

Trump Says He Will Quarantine After Aide Falls Ill With Virus
By Jennifer Jacobs and Jordan Fabian
October 1, 2020, 8:07 PM EDT Updated on October 1, 2020, 11:12 PM EDT

[snip]

Hicks traveled with Trump aboard Air Force One to and from the presidential debate in Cleveland on Tuesday and to a Minnesota rally on Wednesday. She felt poorly in Minnesota and quarantined aboard the presidential plane on the way home, according to people familiar with the matter.

The people asked not to be identified because Hicks’s infection had not been publicly announced until Trump’s interview. Messages left for Hicks were not immediately returned.

[snip]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-10-02/trump-aide-hope-hicks-tests-positive-for-coronavirus-infection

[calimary]

111. Typhoid Hope-y.

[BumRushDaShow]

112. Now that we seem to be narrowing down the super-spreader event as the one at the Rose Garden

It will be interesting to see who might have been "patient 0" there (whether her or someone else). There were many choices -

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southpaw
@nycsouthpaw
Video of the ACB announcement event on Saturday at the WH featuring Sen. Mike Lee of Utah, who has now tested positive for Covid-19. via @bubbaprog
12:18 PM · Oct 2, 2020

[True Blue American]

117. Only the cameramen had on masks!

[BumRushDaShow]

118. I saw some video blips last night of Tillis who was in one of the front rows

and apparently he had one on.

So that would be a case where if he had not been inside the WH in a more closed-in setting and maskless to meet with Barrett and/or others (which is something that a subset of that crowd did), then this is an example of the "confusion" of what a mask does in this instance.

I.e., the phrase "My mask protects you and your mask protects me" because unless you have some kind of N95/KN95 mask on, then you can still inhale fine particulate-shed coronavirus through that mask, although your own droplets would be trapped in the mask, with limited spread coming from yourself.

[True Blue American]

119. Thanks, I missed that.

Mike Lee was shaking hands and even hugged someone.

[BumRushDaShow]

120. Yeah Lee was all up in people's faces

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southpaw
@nycsouthpaw
Video of the ACB announcement event on Saturday at the WH featuring Sen. Mike Lee of Utah, who has now tested positive for Covid-19. via @bubbaprog
12:18 PM · Oct 2, 2020

[lagomorph777]

36. Yeah. Legal aftereffects.

[luvtheGWN]

54. Just heard on CNN that Hicks is quite ill.

[tblue37]

115. Supposedly she's pretty darned sick.

[LiberalArkie]

26. They, like a lot of people, think of the flu and go to work with the flu, go to lunch with

co workers with the flu, go to church with the flu. etc

[Roland99]

63. and the diff between asymptomatic and PRE-symptomatic

[zentrum]

8. Also heard that two

…..WH drivers have tested positive. What about all the unsung workers nobody ever talks about or sees?

[Lars39]

13. The permanent White House staff that takes care of things...

I've been worried about them since Day 1.

[zentrum]

29. ++++

[crickets]

88. Same here.

Maybe now the WH will stop flip-flopping back and forth about staff wearing masks.

[Traildogbob]

9. There may be anger

From the cult members that caught the MAGA Hats Trump was throwing out in NJ KKKlan rally on Thursday night, as Trump camp already knew Hoax Hicks was sick. MAGA.
We may actually now get great.

[lagomorph777]

37. Might as well have tossed smallpox blankets.

[Traildogbob]

40. As our gubment has been known to do.

[Pluvious]

64. Technically, it was the British - and occurred prior to our founding (see link)

Incredibly reprehensible stain on Western "civilization"

https://www.history.com/news/colonists-native-americans-smallpox-blankets

[Traildogbob]

85. History learned

Thanks. But at least they handed out bibles to those savages with the blankets. Trump may employ bibles at rallies when evilgelicals start questioning his sanity. He loves em as props.

[roamer65]

11. It's all about Dump.

Hide it until it’s time to play the sympathy game.

A narcissistic sociopath at work.

FUCK TRUMP.

[Pepsidog]

12. Karma is a bitch.

[dchill]

41. I try to keep that in mind. I really do.

[NBachers]

14. We may be headed for a Shakespearean denouement.

[barbtries]

17. especially if he takes his own advice

and drinks bleach!

hoisted on his own hoax?

[mdbl]

27. is he sitting on a light stick?

that is his other treatment that goes with he bleach... according to him. I am so glad he took over the CDC.

[barbtries]

76. right?

can't always tell if he's believes his own bullshit or not, especially after the Woodward tapes

[dchill]

43. Gotta be something like "Hamlet."

[central scrutinizer]

61. Act 3, Scene 4

For ’tis the sport to have the enginer
Hoist with his own petard

[dchill]

69. "Alas, poor Yorick! I knew him, Horatio,...

... a fellow of infinite jest, of most excellent fancy."

As a young boy in the '50s, I often walked past my grandfather's bookcase. In it was a human skull, beside which was a yellowed card with that quote written on it.

[barbtries]

15. not to mention

over 7 million cases and 210,000 dead.

[Pluvious]

67. Given the revelation yesterday...

... of the Groper's lies being attributable to over a third of the global misinformation, what proportion of the million plus dead will History blame our monster culpable ?

( rhetorical question )

[barbtries]

78. it's a good rhetorical question.

enough to warrant a Nuremberg type trial in my opinion. My son who has a JD tells me he can't be prosecuted for all the deaths he caused, but i am not convinced.

[wnylib]

105. So even if we can't prosecute him,

we can persecute him for it. Make him pay one way or the other.

[Harker]

21. Short of a worsening of symptoms

I can already hear him bleating, "see... it's like having a cold."

[lagomorph777]

38. I think he's gravely ill already. He became too sick to hide it, then the story leaked out.

[Harker]

44. Very possible. n/t

[xxqqqzme]

71. He was obviously in a sweat Tuesday night.

and flushed under his orange layer.

[peggysue2]

87. He was sweating like a pig at the debate

And hanging on to the podium for dear life. He has a tendency to exhibit weird behavior anyway, but I wouldn't be surprised if he was under the weather even on Tuesday night.

If he's gravely ill, I have no pity whatsoever. The man has caused suffering and death across the country, so now he's getting a dose of what he's defiantly denied. His recklessness has come back to bite him. Let's see how he spins his own illness to his supporters because just the other day he was bloviating that the pandemic was ending.

For Joe Biden, this proves his point: no one is safe from a Covid infection, not even Trump or his inner circle. Safety protocols (which I understand have been ignored in the WH) limit exposure and spread.The lack of transparency is outrageous because Trump, reckless as ever, attended a fundraiser in NJ after Hope Hicks tested positive.

Karma is alive and right now she's squatting in the White House.

[hatrack]

90. By election day, about 250,000 Americans will have died from this outbreak

Why?

Because this arrogant, lazy, ignorant, predatory tub of guts couldn't be bothered to do his fucking job in the first place.

And then, when doing nothing didn't pan out as an option, he lied. He lied again and again and again and again, about the disease, about vaccines, about therapies, about infection rates, and about how dangerous it was.

And then, to score cheap political points, he encouraged - fucking encouraged - heavily armed morons to show up in crowds to demand that states be "opened" or "liberated" or whatever the fuck it was he spewed by tweet or in person.

And then, so his delicate little sociopathic fee-fees wouldn't be hurt, he traveled from city to city and rally to rally so that the unmasked masses could bask in his glorious presence, worshiping their only True God in the sweaty, pancaked flesh.

And now the Piper's at the door, and he will be paid.

Fuck Trump, fuck his family and fuck his sycophants and enablers and voters, now and forever.

[moose65]

94. Sweating like a whore in church...

Which seems like an apt description of Trump, except that he, unlike the proverbial whore, never goes to church 😆

[True Blue American]

122. The WH decided

To transport Trump to Walter Reade while he could still walk.all show.

Where is Melania?

[ismnotwasm]

22. He should have protected himself

He went full bore, allowing himself to be exposed. He is the President, and he treats that office like his personal document shredder. He knew what to do. He didn’t do it.

[Pluvious]

77. Now we know what can happen when a liar believes its own lies

Let's just pray he's been right about the Hoax called climate change.

Oh, wait.

[dalton99a]

23. He also encouraged people to break the rules

[Eyeball_Kid]

24. Anger is one of the "stages" of denial and reconciliation. It's natural. n/t

[SlogginThroughIt]

28. Hope you do not mind I shared your list on FB.

[Hekate]

32. How's FOX? Last night hubby checked briefly: big flames. I thought: the fires out West? But noooo...

“BLM is dangerous.”

It was a very brief look-see, but by that time the whole world knew about Trump.

[lagomorph777]

47. Hearty fall soup recipes.

[Hekate]

49. All righty. News you Can Use. nt

[Oppaloopa]

33. I hope Chris Christy wasn't there.

[BumRushDaShow]

121. "I hope Chris Christy wasn't there."

(at 0:07 on the below video clip)

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southpaw
@nycsouthpaw
Video of the ACB announcement event on Saturday at the WH featuring Sen. Mike Lee of Utah, who has now tested positive for Covid-19. via @bubbaprog
12:18 PM · Oct 2, 2020

[maryellen99]

34. Plus I think they were trying to infect the Bidens on purpose nt

[aggiesal]

39. Forget the Nobel Peace award, Pendejo45 definitely needs to be nominated for the Darwin Award ...

How much money will he get for winning that?

Maybe the TIME cover, after all.

[Mariana]

55. It's way too late for a Darwin Award for him.

He's already reproduced five times (that we know of), plus he has a bunch of grandchildren. His genes are already in the pool.

[aggiesal]

75. I thought the Darwin Awards are about ...

stupid things we'd do to kill ourselves.

I understand he's spawned another 2 generations of DNA, but outright flaunting
and mocking the Coronavirus makes him a COVIDIOT, but now he has it and could kill him.

[Mariana]

84. Darwin awards are for people who remove themselves from the gene pool

BEFORE they reproduce.

[aggiesal]

93. From https://darwinawards.com/

The Darwin Awards salute the improvement of the human genome by honoring those who accidentally remove themselves from it in a spectacular manner!

[Ligyron]

45. This needs to be kept in front of the public constantly.

Trump still thinks he's the smartest one in the room at any given time and may well not not listen to ANY doctor's medical advise. I certainly hope he doesn't. One thing is for sure, some of the people in his orbit are going to get ill and at least a few, Like Wilbur Ross, perhaps seriously so.

What are they going to do when he get bored after being caged for a week or so and strolls out into public again?Will his staff run for the exits? The ones still not sick I mean....

He could demand a press conference and not in the Rose, or whatever the hell it is now, Garden.

The worst thing that could happen from our angle is for him to rapidly recover. Would he do so and still not wear a mask and would any of his staff or aides get within the same room with him anymore? I sure wouldn't, the job isn't worth it.

[EleanorR]

46. reckless endangerment

If they want to pass it around among themselves then fine, but they have put so many others in jeopardy. Incredibly irresponsible.

[NoMoreRepugs]

48. To those expressing 'anger' - what Fucking planet have you been on in 2019?

This is who they are - power mad batshit crazed loons.

[MerryBlooms]

50. Wonder what Chris Wallace will have to say about this debacle.

I've seen him on Fox be critical of trump before... He may be smoldering.

My biggest concern is for Joe, Jill and his team, the others who were part of stage prep and such. That wretched monster and his team exposed countless people pre symptoms and then of course when symptoms appeared. I am very worried about the Bidens, and I am ticked off!

[durablend]

52. I have an idea

"No one could've predicted"

Seems to be a pattern with Chris

[MerryBlooms]

58. Could be, but he was also exposed by trump's deliberate actions to cause harm.

I'm expecting some sort of official statement from Wallace... Hopefully it's not of the ass kissing variety.

[Totally Tunsie]

104. Here's what Wallace has said for the moment:

"You can bet — I've already been asked by a lot of people — I'm going to have to get a test," Wallace said in an appearance on "Fox & Friends."

"Because although I think I was far enough away, you know, we all take that question: 'Were you exposed to somebody who was has tested positive for Covid?' The answer is yes," he said.

Wallace acknowledged that "the three people on that stage" Tuesday night in Cleveland "were all 70-plus" and "in the high-risk factor" of elderly people more likely to have complications from the virus.


"Certainly there was no sign during the debate of any problems with the president, in terms of his health," Wallace said. "But it is worth noting that the different people treated the safety rules inside the hall differently."


“I've always been disturbed, frankly, that people think the mask is a political issue and wearing the mask or not wearing the mask says something about your politics,” he said, pointing out that health experts call mask-wearing one of the surest means for fighting the virus until a vaccine is ready.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/debate-moderator-chris-wallace-im-going-to-have-to-get-a-test/ar-BB19DTKD?li=BBnb7Kz

[MerryBlooms]

107. Thanks. Seems like a reasonable statement to me.

[C Moon]

51. I sure hope Biden kept his mask on--even around those within his circle.

They're very well could have been some contamination from Trump's camp.

[Caliman73]

57. Most human beings are decent and can manage sympathy, even for fools. Trump is different.

There were folks proposing that there would be an outpouring of sympathy and it might benefit Trump. The reality is that while most of us have been taught not to wish ill on people or to celebrate misfortune, there is a difference and there are conditions under which sympathy is the emotional state evoked. Even tragic heroes, people who are not that sympathetic, but who were trying to better themselves and their situation will elicit sympathy. For instance, Eric Garner had a criminal record. He was selling cigarettes which he knew was illegal, etc...etc... BUT, He did not have to die! especially in such a horrible and needless manner. We could look past Mr. Garner's various troubles and see the humanity that was snuffed out. Not so much with Trump.

People like Trump and his family, who have a pattern of using others, of deceit, of malfeasance and maleficence, who have particularly, on this issue, had a major hand in the death of 210,000 of our fellow Americans; wouldn't garner support except from those who align themselves with his way of thinking and doing. As I said yesterday, Democratic leaders have expressed well wishes, because they are decent people. However, Trump is not a sympathetic figure in any possible way. I think that they had no choice but to reveal the status, but they probably thought they could spin it and elicit some kind of support. The thing is, you have to have a shred of humanity in order to elicit sympathy.

[riversedge]

62. as it should be! #Trump was Irresponsible, greedy and selfish

[PA Democrat]

65. Mark Meadows came out to address the press without a mask.

When asked why he wasn't wearing a mask, he replied that he had tested negative. So had Hope Hicks and Donald Trump until they didn't.

Magical thinking is no substitute for following the guidelines of the experts based upon science.

[mjvpi]

72. I wish ill health on no person. He must stay alive to receive the wrath of our legal system.

[bubbazero]

114. Well Put and Thank You, Sincerely

[Quixote1818]

73. I said this would happen last night when everyone was thinking he would benefit from the sympathy.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214180424

[BobTheSubgenius]

74. That is a more than proper reaction, IMO.

It's analogous to DUI - intolerably reckless behavior that ends up dragging in unwitting bystanders. The fact that many of them put themselves there willingly and even eagerly mitigates my sympathy for those people, though.

[Iggo]

80. Good.

COVID response.
Taxes.
Bounties.
Etc
Etc
Etc

Hammer, hammer, hammer.

[Ananda62]

81. No good outcomes

IMHO Trump getting seriously will destabilize the government and create election havoc. It might garner some sympathy. I hear he’s already fundraising off his diagnosis. Trump not getting seriously ill and recovering quickly will be used to downplay COVID, leading to more deaths. He’ll claim the coronavirus is just the flu, or act like he’s superhuman.

The news is saying Trump has some mild symptoms. He did looked like hell during the debate on Tuesday (flushed, sweaty), even though he supposedly only tested positive yesterday.

[ChazInAz]

86. Caligula, again!

Early in his reign, Caligula was laid low with some near-lethal fever...a common enough occurrence for anyone in Rome at the time. He was still pretty popular at that point, and the citizenry were concerned. Sacrifices were made at the various temples, huge public entreaties for his deliverance were staged. He got over the illness, but he was changed. Note had been taken of anyone who wasn't fervid enough in their god-bothering. One particular person had offered to sacrifice himself for his Emperor's life.
Caligula demanded that he follow through.
For some reason, he's been on my mind quite a bit in the last four years.

[frazzled]

125. I read The Twelve Caesars, by Seutonius

shortly after Trump was inaugurated, at the suggestion of a friend. Yes, there are some parallels (the craziness, the evil), and although this isn't ancient Rome, it stays in my mind as well.

[Ricky-by-the-lake]

89. Trump's dogma just run over by karma..

I might be urinating on his grave sooner that I thought

[fwvinson]

91. To bad the stupid SOB didn't catch the virus 6 months ago.

If he had, it would have been taken seriously and 200,000+ people would probably be alive today.

[moondust]

95. They thought he was the Second Coming.

After seeing scenes like this:



The Prosperity Gospel folks must be deeply disappointed to find out he's just another stupid human who does not have holy immunity from the plagues of mankind.

[Enoki33]

96. Paraphrasing Bogy: It seems destiny has taken a hand..

[58Sunliner]

97. It's criminal. Lock the fuckers up.

[Brainfodder]

106. 8 months? MUHAHA!

I know you just meant this particular cluster, but let's be fair!

[Cha]

108. Thank you for this Reality Analysis.. so glad there

isn't some Twilight Zone scenario going on.

I said last night.. there would be no "sympathy" from those not in the cult.. grateful to be right so far.

[SunSeeker]

116. K & R