They knew. Wow. Just. Wow.

[Pluvious]

The hubris runs deep in this Despicable Family.

Link to tweet

[progressive nobody]

1. ...

[soothsayer]

2. Whaaaaat??

Oh in case Joe sprung a blood test on him? Lol

[UpInArms]

3. Attempted murder charges should be filed

Against them all

[UpInArms]

18. Knowingly Exposing Others to a Communicable Disease

Suppose that A, who has HIV and knows it, has unprotected sex with B, who doesn’t have HIV. A doesn’t warn B. Has A committed a crime?

Yes. At a minimum, A has failed to abide by communicable disease control measures. Under G.S. 130A-144(f), “[a]ll persons” are required to comply with control measures. The control measures for the most common serious communicable diseases are listed in 10A NCAC 41A.0201 et seq. (The Administrative Code is available online here.) The control measures for HIV, which appear in 10A NCAC 41A.0202, require infected individuals both to warn their sexual partners of their status and to use condoms during sex. Failure to comply with control measures is a misdemeanor, sentenced outside of structured sentencing. G.S. 130A-25(a)-(b). Note that sexual contact other than “intercourse” isn’t mentioned in the Code, nor is some non-sexual behavior that might involve some risk of transmission.

But has A has committed a more serious offense? Apparently, “[21] states currently have statutes [specifically] criminalizing behavior that risks the transmission of HIV or AIDS.” James B. McArthur, Note, As the Tide Turns: The Changing HIV/AIDS Epidemic and the Criminalization of HIV Exposure, 94 Cornell L. Rev. 707 (2009). However, there is no such statute in North Carolina. Leslie E. Wolf & Richard Vezina, Crime and Punishment: Is There a Role for Criminal Law in HIV Prevention Policy?, 25 Whittier L. Rev. 821 (2004). But perhaps A could be charged under the general criminal law. My colleague Bob Farb discussed this idea in the Prosecutors’ Trial Manual, listing the possible charges as follows:

For example [a prosecutor might charge], assault with a deadly weapon (the virus being the deadly weapon); assault with a deadly weapon inflicting serious injury (if the victim is infected); attempted first-degree murder or other felonious assaults that contain the “intent to kill” element (of course, proving the specific intent to kill may be difficult).

Robert L. Farb, Prosecutors’ Trial Manual 165 (4th ed. 2007).

https://nccriminallaw.sog.unc.edu/knowingly-exposing-others-to-communicable-diseases/

[jaxexpat]

75. How apt. The "first Family" has certainly screwed America often enough to qualify.

Yeah and with intent. As they say.

[Nitram]

39. Attempted murder? He has killed over 200,000 Americans so far.

[LisaL]

4. Why were they let into the event and allowed to sit there without masks on?

NT

[yardwork]

28. Excellent question. Why does Trump get pass after pass?

This crime family is enabled, over and over.

[SergeStorms]

56. They're all afraid of....

the wrathful tweet! I'd treat it like a badge of honor, but some people are actually frightened of this hollow bully and coward.

[NCjack]

57. Sen. McConnell is Mr. Trump's ultimate enabler.

[NoRoadUntravelled]

34. This whole time he's been going without a mask. People let him. No one argues with him.

Those who died or caught Covid19 as a result of it were nothing more than casualties in his war against everyone that doesn't adore him.

[Sucha NastyWoman]

71. And when you're a star, they let you do it.

Sound familiar?

[NoRoadUntravelled]

79. How he got elected after that tape came out, among other things, is still mind boggling.

n/t

[Zoonart]

5. Holy F!

Lying liars and criminals... DISQUALIFIED FROM OFFICE.

Seriously. How much more abuse are we willing to take at the hands of these monsters?

[babylonsister]

6. Who really knows why they arrived late?

Seriously. For that matter, who really knows when they contracted 'rona?

[Laura PourMeADrink]

65. +1

[Ninga]

7. Debate was Tuesday.

[Hugin]

8. The debate was Tuesday. Not, Sunday.

I'm going to wait until something comes out directly on this.

[SlogginThroughIt]

38. Here.

https://www.newsweek.com/chris-wallace-says-donald-trump-wasnt-tested-covid-pre-debate-because-he-arrived-late-1536086

[Hugin]

41. Thanks, I saw it lower down in the thread.

[empedocles]

9. Might have had symptoms before the Debate

[sfstaxprep]

10. I Think They Knew About Hicks On Wednesday & Drumpf Mid-Day Thursday nt

[getagrip_already]

44. that is their story right now.......

but they lie as a matter of course. why should we believe their timeline?

[Laura PourMeADrink]

64. So I want to know WHO at the WH is in charge of covid results? Hope?

[getagrip_already]

76. probably the cos or a "senior administration official" .....

Which in this case is either family or stephen miller. But most likely the chief of staff......

[ahoysrcsm]

83. We should believe the timeline because Trump is not getting tested. n/t

[MontanaMama]

11. Such horrible people.

And by people, I mean assholes. They're hardly human.

[demmiblue]

12. Both campaigns where on the honor system.

Link to tweet

However, one campaign is trustworthy, the other one isn't.

[Hugin]

17. Okay, that's a more informative tweet.

Sounds actionable to me.

Otherwise, where's the honor in their honor system?

[3catwoman3]

37. "Honor" system. Big mistake right there.

Honor my ass.

[stopdiggin]

80. what is sounds like

is that Wallace doesn't have much of a point regarding the testing. Is he attempting to spin this into something that it isn't? The masking on the other hand -- yes, that was up front and in-your-face.

[UpInArms]

13. Hope Hicks

[smirkymonkey]

30. Ugh!

They are all so despicable!

[Thekaspervote]

31. Side note, but look at those horrified faces caused by his performance

[not fooled]

42. Brain inflammation

is a known effect of COVID-19. Would explain a lot re his performance.

And I think I've heard he got tested daily, as a matter of rote, as well as others in his rat's nest of cronies. So, how could they not know?

[luvtheGWN]

46. CNN said the WH uses the rapid response test

which apparently has a 20+ failure rate.

And besides, can anyone actually take at face value ANYTHING coming out of the WH?

[Laura PourMeADrink]

68. Why we knew the reason for delay last night quick test positive, they

Were waiting for the more accurate test that takes longer. Although I'm still 50-50 on whether or not he really had it.

[littlemissmartypants]

49. I see Lara and Tiffany Trump and Kim G. Hope is not in this picture. nt ❤

[PunkinPi]

74. The thing is they posed for a photo for social media beforehand WITH masks and took them

off before they were seated.

Here's the social media photo:



More here -> https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-masks-debate_n_5f748e02c5b6374c5587a8e2?section=politics&ncid=tweetlnkushpmg00000016

Also, Hope Hicks wasn't there, so she's not in the photo you posted.

[MustLoveBeagles]

84. Hope's not in that picture

I see Lara Trump, Tiffany Trump, Don Jr, and Kimberly Guilfoyle.

[Celerity]

87. Where is Hicks? I do not see her in that pic.

[UpInArms]

92. Sorry ... she is not in that pic ...

Hicks, who attended the first presidential debate on Tuesday, began showing symptoms at a campaign rally on Wednesday and tested positive late Thursday, according to press reports.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/president-trump-first-lady-and-hope-hicks-may-have-spread-coronavirus-at-cleveland-presidential-debate/ar-BB19EhRW

[Celerity]

93. Oki, thanks

[Earthshine2]

14. And Trump spit and spewed while facing Biden.

He knew he had the virus and tried to infect Biden.

Trump is a mass murderer.

[MustLoveBeagles]

85. +1

Welcome to DU

[crimycarny]

15. Hope saying she got it from Trump

A friend of mine told me she saw this on Twitter:

“Friend who works with Scaramucci said that Mooch spoke with Hicks this morning. She said Trump showed symptoms before her, and that she is being used as a scapegoat”.

I’ll try to find the tweet. Maybe that explains Trumps red face and sweating...

[leftyladyfrommo]

21. It's kind of hard to feel sorry for her. If she had been paying

any attention she knew that they were playing Russian Roulette with the virus.

[crimycarny]

25. Well, I can't find the specific tweet

I did see an interview with Scaramucci where he said “we don’t even know if Hope got it first”.

His supporters continue to baffle me. Not a single one saying he should have worn a mask. All continue to say “anyone can get it and at least he wasn’t hiding in his basement like Biden”. What the h*ll is wrong with these people?

[LakeArenal]

48. Admit they are/ were/ will stay wrong?

Foolish.

[crickets]

47. If that's the case, then there's no way they didn't know on Tuesday.

They knew and went to the debate anyway.

[MustLoveBeagles]

86. I don't doubt that for a minute

It bothered me how quickly Hope was being thrown under the bus. There was no proof at all that she was the patient zero in this superspreader event. I'd be curious to see that tweet.

[Ohioboy]

16. Is this supposed to mean Tuesday's debate?

[Hugin]

20. See post #12 in this thread for the transcript. n/t

[gopiscrap]

19. that is fucking bullshit

for God's sakes enforce the God damn rules. If he didn't test, he shouldn't have been allowed to debate

[MustLoveBeagles]

88. Thank you

[FarPoint]

22. Makes me sooooo MAD!

Arrogance now is having it's revenge.

[Hekate]

23. Jesus Christ in a Trailer Hitch. How evil do you have to be to do that?

[malaise]

24. Careful

The debate was Tuesday not Sunday

[LisaL]

26. Some people arrived for it on Sunday and were tested by the Cleveland Clinic.

Trump's posse arrived on Tuesday so Cleveland Clinic had no time to test them.

[jalan48]

27. No more debates. Why try and make Trump appear normal?

[torius]

29. So they didn't use rapid tests?

[marble falls]

32. I'm down to 50/50 ...

[C Moon]

33. If that's true, than the shouting was meant to pass the virus to Biden.

That's very Putin of Trump.

[gristy]

53. This

This is what I've been thinking and fearing all day. OMG

[MustLoveBeagles]

89. At the time I thought his interruptions was just him being ass for the sake of being an ass

Now I'm thinking we was doing it to cause harm.

[mzmolly]

35. Remember when the campaign wanted to check Biden for an earpiece?

F ckers.

[FakeNoose]

36. It wasn't on Sunday, it was Tuesday

I think that's what they meant to say.

THIS doesn't surprise me at all. I'm also thinking that Hope Hicks wasn't the first positive test either. She probably caught it from Chump, not the other way around.

They're all despicable. Except Barron, I don't blame him.

[cwydro]

40. Whoa.

[TimeToGo]

43. I don't think Chris Wallace said that exactly

He said they arrived late and therefore couldn’t be tested. He didn’t say that they did that to avoid being tested.

Now that may be completely true. But. . . .

[stopdiggin]

81. Thanks. That casts a little different light.

And an important one -- coming from Wallace.

[Hortensis]

45. Depraved indifference to life is just that. They OF COURSE

should, themselves, have made sure they were tested before exposing themselves to others at the debate. And expected the same cautious protection from the Democratic team, which they did receive.

The next POTUS was going to be there, and doing their best to protect the succession of power was also an absolute duty to their nation.

As Pluvious says, "Wow. Just. Wow." These people are no more principled or patriotic than our cat. No insult to our little guy, of course. Just to them.

[MustLoveBeagles]

94. I'm betting your cat is more principled and patriotic than the trumps

[Hortensis]

95. In his way, he's always in 100%. Cat integrity.

[Cha]

50. Of course they did.

[MyOwnPeace]

51. But remember......

BunkerBoy wanted them to have drug tests before the debate!

Wow, we would have been deprived of seeing our great leader at his best - "slain on his own strange alter....."

[58Sunliner]

52. On purpose. Murdering ugly ****s.

[Farmergene]

54. Ummm

Is this the October surprise everyone was alluding to?

[SergeStorms]

55. Rules, laws, nothing applies to....

the first family of filth. They truly believe that everyone on this earth exists to cater to, and amuse them. I'm trying like hell to feel some compassion for them during this event, but......... the cupboard is bare.

[bucolic_frolic]

58. I think this has been going down most of the week

Someone on Twitter, I think it was Wednesday morning, said something about Trump not tweeting for 6 hours overnight, and noted it was highly unusual. I'm wondering if they already knew then.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

69. Probably..although awfully early. Event Sat...knew Wed?

[Mr.Bill]

59. I bet right now

there's masks on the statues in the White House.

[OhioTim]

60. The Trump Crime Family

That's who they are.

[warmfeet]

61. If he does not recover,

I will throw many parties.

To hell with this asshole. He has no legitimacy, he has no legacy other than being a complete asshole.

Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. I hope he is quick about it.

I hope no one here has misconstrued my attitude toward this complete failure. I will make my attitude abundantly clear - die you fucker! The sooner, the better.

I shall call him president FAIL, for as long as he remains among the living, as long as he can claim to be president. I apologize to all those here who do not share my attitude. Sorry.

[WyattKansas]

62. Maybe that is why he was so sweaty?

Usually his spray tan is sprayed on with three coats of industrial strength, so no moisture can escape.

[MustLoveBeagles]

90. My husband and I both commented on that

His cheeks were red not the usual orange and he seemed abnormally sweaty.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

63. They knew trump was positive? Huh what?

[mnmoderatedem]

66. and this should be a Biden political advertisement

no need to "go negative" as they say. They have done that to themselves.

[UCmeNdc]

67. K&R

[BHDem53]

70. Fascistly late.

[ShazzieB]

72. WOW is right!

I mean, I knew they were despicable, but still ... WOW.

[xxqqqzme]

73. That's why Melania came in, with a mask on about 5 minutes after the family.

She came in the limo with king con. She masked up because she knew he was positive.

[Martin Eden]

77. "Sunday's debate"?

It was aired on Tuesday.

[orleans]

82. good catch

here's the hill
"Chris Wallace: Trump arrived too late to be tested in Ohio before debate, relied on 'honor system'
https://thehill.com/homenews/media/519418-chris-wallace-trump-arrived-too-late-to-be-tested-in-ohio-before-debate-relied

[Meadowoak]

78. Anyone who arrived to late to be tested, should have been denied entry. Period

[MustLoveBeagles]

91. +1