Total Speculation Alert: I think Trump is very sick

[Dr. Jack]

We are obviously very light on details from the White House on what is going on with Trump but there are reports coming out that make me think he is far more sick than they are letting on. I'm not an infectious disease expert, just a GP, but I am seeing some concerning signs that Trump is getting hit hard with COVID. I do 100% believe he has it, BTW. Any speculation that it's all made up seems extremely unlikely to me. Regardless, here are a few things that are concerning me

1. People keep saying Trump hasn't been on Twitter since 1:00am, which is 14 hours ago as I am typing this. However, his tweets since yesterday afternoon don't sound like they were actually typed by him. That is something they have admitted and is pretty standard for politicians. Not every tweet from their account is from the actual politican. And in this case, I think Trump went totally dark over 24 hours ago.

2. The White House has said that they are using experimental drugs to treat Trump. That sounds to me like it's just not a minor set of symptoms. Again, take some of this with a grain of salt but they aren't likely to go straight to experimental drugs just 14 hours after trump supposedly tested positive and last tweeted. And they have been claiming until about a half hour ago that symptoms were "mild". Combined with point 1, I believe he has been showing pretty severe symptoms for the past day at least.

3. The most recent update from Trump's doctor went from "minor symptoms" to "fatigued". Sounds like it's getting worse and quickly.

4. People around the white house are reportedly freaking out and saying the election is lost. If Trump had minor symptoms, like a cold or flu, and was expected to bounce back quickly, why the panic? Keep in mind, it's not panic about themselves getting sick. It's panic that the election is lost. The fact that they were keeping this all a secret until Bloomberg.com got the info leaked about anyone testing positive is also very suspicious. I do wonder if they saw Donald Trump in worse shape than they care to admit over the past day or two.

5. He's clearly a very unhealthy person under a lot of physical and emotional stress. You all know what that points to but it's important to keep in mind he is very high risk, even with a team of doctors with him 24/7.

As I said, all speculation but I'm seeing a lot of warning signs that Trump is in far worse shape and had been so for longer than they are admitting.

[Botany]

1. The New York Times tried to sell "cold like symptoms "

today. Just cough and a fever. Which to me sounds like
C-19.

Trump is 74, has heart disease, morbidly obese, and I think he had a stroke or TIA last year. Because of his Sunday afternoon trip to Walter Reed.

Btw I think he has had C-19 for a while now too.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

53. So maybe HE is the SC Rose Garden spreader? But they test

Him every day? Shit, who knows if that's true

[Chemisse]

73. I wonder if he ducks the tests and they let him get away with it.

In fact, the more I think of it, the more sense that makes!

[Proud Liberal Dem]

77. When you're President

they let you get away with it.

[ShazzieB]

90. He gets away with plenty of other crap...

I could easily see him ducking the tests. And we all know that nobody can make him do anything he doesn't want to do.

[wryter2000]

2. Post just above yours

They’re taking him by helicopter to Walter Reed

[Dr. Jack]

7. Just saw that. Not good

I would imagine the white house has pretty good medical facilities. A trip to the hospital means this isn't just a minor thing. The fucker better survive this. I want him to be absolutely humiliated on election night and then get arrested in 6 months for tax fraud.

[Botany]

80. Thanx for the knowledge Dr. Jack

I don't know if this is still true but I remember from last spring a figure of
something like > 50% of C-19 patients who get put on ventilator still die.

[Quixote1818]

3. I bet that is part of why he was trying to get out of the debates

He knew he would not be able to go if they could keep this quiet.

[cbdo2007]

4. Or he is finally fleeing to Russia.

He was going to wait until after the election but the debate went so terribly and the NYT story about his taxes broke and he knows there is more out there and Parscale is going to tell all about the missing campaign money.

If it was anyone else I wouldn't be thinking this but it is definitely a possibility with Trump.

[Maru Kitteh]

8. Conspiracy theories make us all look goofy.

The stupid dirty fucker tried to pretend he was invincible from CV19 and it got him.

[judesedit]

40. Can't agree more. But Pooty will own him if he goes to Russia.

[DENVERPOPS]

65. Putin will send him to the Gulag

Trump has outlived his usefulness.......

[judesedit]

42. Can't agree more. But Pooty will own him if he goes to Russia.

[tiptonic]

50. Putin

Putin has probably had enough, of his 'useful idiot'. Could be a plane, waiting to take him to his retirement (ricin tea) daca, in Moscow.

[DENVERPOPS]

61. He definitely has nearly used up

his usefulness to Putin, the Republican Senators, and The Uber rich.....

Now the Repubs can substitute Pence and whom (who?) ever. "Both Outstanding Religious Republicans" in hopes of beating Biden.....

The woman candidate for the USSC would make an excellent VP for Pence, don't you think?

[Chemisse]

74. If he is no longer the POTUS, he is completely useless to Putin. n/t

And in fact

[Chemisse]

94. Sounds about right for him! n/t

[stopwastingmymoney]

60. I always thought he'd run away too, nt

[LAS14]

5. Thanks. Interesting. nt

[customerserviceguy]

6. Thank you

I appreciate reading your educated observations on this situation.

[Poiuyt]

9. Thank you for sharing your thoughts

[ffr]

10. Something doesn't feel right here either, for tRump is a blowhard. Why haven't we heard from him?

Not that I want to, but I'd expect it.

[bdamomma]

24. After his so called debate

the next day he had not tweeted at all. I would take all this with a grain of salt, lots of them. He could be using the virus for sympathy votes.

Remember he said on the record "Stand down, Stand By". He's a evil con man.

[PTWB]

26. We saw him.

[ffr]

43. Ah, thank you, just viewed myself

He looks depressed. Poor wittle guy.

[WyattKansas]

11. The fact that they cannot hide this means something big is happening and nobody is getting the...

Whole story.

[FakeNoose]

12. If the virus goes into his lungs, he's a goner

... and he was already coughing yesterday.

On the other hand I don't believe they could have him on a ventilator yet. If Chump were on a ventilator then Pence would have been sworn in as "temporary" POTUS. That didn't happen, yet.

[Tommymac]

36. He was on camera walking unassisted to the chopper at the WH. nt

May be bad but not incapacitated...yet.

[FakeNoose]

41. We don't know when that vid was shot

It could be from a week ago.

Just sayin'

[ProfessorGAC]

46. The Walk To & From The Chopper...

...were CNN cameras, live on the spot.
The one inside? What you say is certainly possible?
But, 2 CNN camera operators, 2 CNN reporters & 2 CNN anchors aren't all in on the fix.

[FakeNoose]

52. I heard them say it was supplied by the White House

... but I was watching MSNBC at the time, so who knows?

The video did show Chump walking slowly to the helo by himself. No staffers, and he wasn't wearing a mask. He waved to the pilot. But still, there's no way to know if the tape was shot today.

[USALiberal]

69. +1000! nt

[Tommymac]

49. No. It was today. Stop with the conspiracy nonsense...we don't need it!

Let his minions deal in fantasy...let's be the adult in the room.

I understand why folks think stuff like that since this WH is so closed and manipulative and always deals out lies; but in this case, no.

[USALiberal]

70. Not true, self delete please! nt

[Pachamama]

88. Meaningless....an ER doctor I know said she had seen many people walk into the ER on their own and

...within hours on a ventilator....

It was meaningless to see the video he pre-taped or the walk to the helicopter....

[Crunchy Frog]

51. There's video of him walking off the helicopter at Walter Reed.

And he made a video of himself just before. He sounded a bit congested and subdued, but he was standing and speaking.

He's still got a ways to go before he's ventilator fodder.

[Martin Eden]

13. Trump could suffer long term effects from COVID

For example, he could develop mental pathologies like malignant narcissism and an inability to distinguish fact from fiction.

[AZ8theist]

15. That ship sailed a LOOOOOONG time ago....

[Lulu KC]

16. Very good!

[Vdizzle]

20. I didn't know COVID-19 was a decade old...

[RANDYWILDMAN]

21. This

Totally this and more

[BamaRefugee]

32. Bwahahaha

[uponit7771]

39. +1

[DENVERPOPS]

71. Good one ME.....LOL nc

[Kid Berwyn]

86. Wouldn't it be interesting if it made him drop the hypocrisy, like Scrooge?

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Not that it could happen, but it would be just for him to realize how truly evil he is. Were there justice, he’d be doing so while performing hard labor at a federal penitentiary for the rest of his natural days.

[Martin Eden]

96. If that happened, it would almost make me believe in God

But I'll settle for justice, with Trump facing the full weight of the law when he's out of office.

[Chemisse]

93. Bah, ha ha

I noticed the list of symptoms matched his personality profile.

[AZ8theist]

14. He seemed fine walking to the helicopter.

So at this point it's a LOT of speculation.

But when you lie 27,000 times in 4 years, it's pretty hard to NOT be skeptical of EVERYTHING.

[BlueStater]

19. If he survives, I'll be pissed that so many good people died from this while he gets to live.

Fuck.

[AZ8theist]

23. I'll be pissed if he survives.

[Crunchy Frog]

72. He gets fancy experimental treatments that normal people can't access.

They will spare no expense to save his fat ass.

[BannonsLiver]

37. He walked 20 feet to a helicopter

For all we know it took every ounce of strength he had to do it.

[GreenEyedLefty]

38. "Seemed" is a key word.

I've had the flu and struggled to walk from the couch to the kitchen, but if I had a medical staff and needed to bullshit the public for a 30 yard walk, with some IV meds I could probably fake it until I got to the hospital.

The guy is a liar and a charlatan but I am 100% in agreement with the good doctor who authored the original post. I think it is much more serious than they are letting on. "Mild symptoms" = high fever and shortness of breath.

Also agree that an experimental treatment is a risky and desperate measure as a first line of treatment, even for CV-19.

[RazzleCat]

84. I agree with you and the original poster

I also think it is worse than they are saying because I was under the impression that the White House had a full medical facility on site. No not the same as a hospital, but still way more than just an average physician's office. So in my mind, sort of either needing or anticipating the need for some heavy duty equipment (thinking ventilator), he would have stayed there.

[ResistantAmerican17]

17. How many hundreds, if not thousands of tearful stories did we hear from families of victims

Who said “Friday they started feeling bad, and went to the hospital and died Tuesday”. And drumph scoffed, lied,and ridiculed them because they “weren’t his type of people, and they were “dying of something anyway.” Guess what, the fucker’s number finally got called. I don’t care what happens to him. His shit is stale, his whining is tiresome, and it may well be “his time in the barrel.”

[Major Nikon]

18. No way he would go to the hospital unless he had no other choice

[ShazzieB]

91. That's what I've ben thinking.

I agree that he wouldn't agree to go to the hospital unless he absolutely had to. To him, getting sick is an admission of weakness, and weakness is one of the things he most hates and fears. It's anathema to him. He's probably suffering as much from embarrassment right now as from covid.

I don't care how "good" he looked walking to the chopper. He's in bad shape, or he would NEVER have gone.

[smirkymonkey]

22. Thank you for your opinion.

It makes a lot of sense to me. I don't want to get my hopes up, but I really hope he is gravely ill.

I can't imagine that someone in his shape and age could possibly survive this virus. No matter how much power and money he has. It seems like once this virus has you, and you are physically weak, you are not long for this world.

[Mariana]

27. Most people in his shape and age who get this virus survive it. nt.

[Mr.Bill]

29. No one in the world

is in his shape. Not mentally, anyway.

[smirkymonkey]

33. Really? Stats?

He is 74, morbidly obese, has high BP and cholesterol, is a flaming drug addict, has a terrible diet, doesn't exercise and to top it all off he is a rageaholic. Where are you getting your info from? He is the classic profile for a Covid death.

[Mariana]

68. He is the classic profile.

Most people who die of Covid-19 are like him, but most people like him who get Covid-19 don't die.

The CDC has said recently that the current best estimate for the fatality rate for people aged 70 and up is 5.4%.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html#table-1

Yes, that doesn't account for co-morbidities, but a huge percentage of people over 70 have co-morbidities - for example, about 25% have diabetes, 65% have hypertension, 35% are obese, etc. Yet, 94.6% of people over 70 who get Covid-19 survive it.

[smirkymonkey]

76. Ok, fair enough.

But he is also a lifelong drug addict. That has to work against him. There is nothing healthy about this guy. It might just be wishful thinking on my part, but I think it will be a miracle if he pulls through in perfect health.

[Mariana]

81. I'm not even going to try to figure his potential for long term effects.

I suspect you're right, his individual chance of dying of Covid-19 is much higher than the estimate the CDC published - but he's still more likely to live than to die. It really isn't looking good for him at all, if the stories about his rapidly worsening symptoms are to be believed.

[getagrip_already]

79. +100 - he is over 70, obese, has had strokes, has dementia, and has heart disease.....

I can't think of any category he isn't in that increases risk. The only way his chances could be worse is if he were over 80.

Now granted, a lot of seniors with other conditions survive, but only after a looooong fight, and they often have severe ongoing health issues.

[bdamomma]

28. smirky

if he is lying about this to get sympathy, but if he isn't I want him to feel every symptom that others went through and did not save.

No sympathy from me, but the media will play this up all night.

Be safe and this 6 ft distance

[smirkymonkey]

35. Hey, bdamomma!

I don't want to get my hopes up or anything, but I would settle for him becoming a drooling vegetable. It would serve him right for all the cruelty he has dealt out in his life.

Anyway, good to see you and you be safe too!

[world wide wally]

25. You're the doctor

[Ponietz]

30. An underlying Addleall addiction could put him there

Won’t be able to sleep for the jonesing.

[DENVERPOPS]

66. Agreed

maybe a bad reaction from too much aderall and viagara at the same time.......

[warmfeet]

31. So,

good news after all.

The sicker the better, that is what I say when the current president is a narcissistic, psychopathic asshole.

[YDogg]

34. I wonder whether that fucker ...

... is wearing a hospital gown yet. Feeling vulnerable now, asshole?

[littlemissmartypants]

44. Have you watched the 18 second video?

He looks and sounds fine.

[bucolic_frolic]

57. He sounds a tad hoarse with sinus congestion /nt

[littlemissmartypants]

75. Mildly hyponasal. Which is about normal for him.

I'm wondering what his O2 saturation is.

❤ lmsp

[LiberalArkie]

58. Don't forget that the Docs were getting pissed off at patients who were chatting away on their

cellphones and their SPO2 readings dropping like a rock and had to be knocked out to be put on ventilator. The Patient had no idea they were suffocating.

[lillypaddle]

45. One can only hope.

[RainCaster]

47. I said that in 2016

Watching his debate with Hillary, I knew then that he is one sick MF.

[cwydro]

48. I'm beginning to think so too.

It’s a scary thing, and he looked scared in that video.

[Traildogbob]

54. Good news

Justice is waiting. Waiting at the gates of heaven for judgement day. That would be Justice Ruth B Ginsberg. St Pete Gonna sneak away for that day and let a real Judge have some fun. Trump gonna slumber up ready for his Mansion, streets of gold, 72 Virgins and a throne by God with a prop Bible Ivanka packed for him. He gonna meet Ruth, she is gonna say, “about that dying wish of mine, the one McConnell said was a legal request 4 years ago. We are gonna need you to head down to the basement. And a heads up, it is not hair spray friendly down there. Go on now, “Be Best” you not linger here.”
And Peter, gonna let her be Judge as all those phony ass Jesus GOP meet the virus fate. She does have a degree or two. Passed the bar. Many years experience seeking justice for the less advantaged. Kind of a thing with Madam God. Ruth will be in that throne beside her.

[bucolic_frolic]

55. Not very sick yet, but doctors know the predictable path in older patients with his problems

From my amateur armchair, borderline conditions might be CHF and its heart-lung insufficiencies, weight problems. There's a lot of gut there to get infected, and that places stress on body systems. That's why they're going so heavily on medications so early in his diagnosis. If they don't head it off early, it could be very serious indeed, in my view.

[panfluteman]

56. Just Looked Up Donald Trump's Natal Astrology Chart and Went to the Ephemeris

And what I saw was astounding. Donald Trump was born about an hour or so before the full moon, aligning along 21degrees Sagittarius (Moon) and 22 degrees Gemini(Sun). The Gemini / Sagittarius axis is the Respiratory Axis in Medical Astrology, and Trump's Sun and Moon opposing so tightly along this axis predisposes him to respiratory weakness and pathology. Furthermore, house-wise, this crucial opposition aligns along the fifth house (Moon) / eleventh house (Sun) axis, which corresponds to the Leo / Aquarius Circulatory Axis. This also shows a vulnerability to circulatory pathology in later life, and having Uranus tightly conjunct his Gemini / eleventh house Sun, corresponding to the eleventh sign Aquarius, which rules the peripheral vascular system, predisposes him to strokes and cerebrovascular pathology as well. We know that COVID attacks both the heart and lungs, the respiratory and circulatory systems, and also makes strokes a lot more likely.

But the real zinger is that the transiting axis of the lunar nodes is just now coming in to a conjunction with the natal lunar nodes of Donald Trump, the transiting north lunar node conjuncting his natal north lunar node in Gemini, and the transiting south lunar mode opposing it to conjunct Trump's natal south lunar node in Sagittarius, and is right now very exact when the one degree correction for equinocital precession since Trump's birth (the vernal equinox point precesses or moves backwards at one degree every 72 years). The transiting north lunar node is now at 23 degrees of Gemini - minus one degree to correct for equinoctial precession and you get 22 degrees of Gemini - exactly conjunct Trump's natal north lunar node.

The bottom line is that this could be very, very serious for Trump.

But astrology aside, I have also gone by another, much simpler formula when it comes to statements by Trump and/or the White House: Whatever they say, I know that the exact opposite is probably true.

[Sogo]

78. I have an astrologer friend who has said for some time

that by the time of the election, Trump will be "out of the picture." He would never elaborate on that statement, but I think it's becoming clear what he's meant....

[SheltieLover]

92. Thx!

Very interesting & informative!

Please consider xpost to astrology group? (It is under religion.)

[Cha]

95. Wow.. I'm in awe you or anyone who understands

all that. Astrology is so Complicated. I appreciated reading your interpretation of his chart, though.

I know from my own experiences of paying attention to it since 1981 that it affects us physically as well as mentally.

So Thank You, panfluteman

[SheltieLover]

99. This!👆

I'm with you, Cha!
🤞

[Cha]

101. Hey Sheltie..

I saw you were into it.. and I got a smile

Aloha!

[Me.]

102. You Are Not Alone In Your Predictions

Many of the better sites concur

[MustLoveBeagles]

59. I'm leaning towards this too

[nadine_mn]

62. Here is why I DONT think he is that sick..yet

He takes what - 2 hours to get ready - hair and makeup?

He walked to the helicopter unassisted in a suit

sounds like a low bar I know

but earlier this year I had what was described as "mild covid" symptoms. Not covid - I was tested 2x. I had a fever over 100 for 2 months, for 8 days straight a fever of 104. Jesus, I could barely walk to the car to go to the clinic, I looked and felt like ass. Couldn't even put a damn bra on and brush my hair, much less the production it takes to get Trump ready for tv. I needed a wheel chair and I am still struggling. And that was called freaking mild.

He is probably freaking out and would rather be seen going to walter reed on his own rather than being taken out on a stretcher.

Not saying he can't go downhill, but I think right now it is more of a freakout

[Jon King]

63. Nope, sadly he will likely be just fine

I was also thinking this until I saw the video and him walking to the chopper. I think it is just the opposite. I think he is a big, scared coward who never had a thing go wrong in his life. Insider reports said he was "spooked".

I think he is a hypochondriac who is so scared that he demanded to go Walter Reed and his staff had no choice. Sadly, I expect him to be right back to be his awful self within a week or 2. I was hoping for the best when I heard he had been given the experimental cocktail and he had not tweeted. Now I think we just have a big, fat baby whose symptoms will get no worse than a bad flu.

He will be out there bragging he had the worst case and beat it, that he survived the China flu and can now take on Chine, blah, blah, blah. I hope that I am wrong but I doubt our nightmare is over.

[BComplex]

100. I hope he lives until November 3rd.

I don't want pence to get the sympathy vote and maybe mess up the lead we've got going.

[bagimin]

64. thoughts and prayers, thoughts and prayers, thoughts and prayers

Dr. Howard, Dr. Fine, Dr. Howard....Dr. demon semen, Dr. Atlas.

Oh look everybody at the white house is masked!

[USALiberal]

67. He looked fine walking and in the video, I think it is all a BS deflection. nt

[betsuni]

82. I'm wondering about the drug thing. He'll be in the hospital -- he's addicted to whatever it is

he takes, I'm assuming. Won't withdrawl be one more complication? No wonder he looked nervous.

Oh, and the Diet Coke addiction, too.

[ihas2stinkyfeet]

83. they'll prolly just sedate his ass.

i know that's the first thing i would do if i was in charge.
but yeah, i dont think that helps.

[betsuni]

85. How silly of me, of course hospitals have sedatives and that's what they'd do.

All I know of medicine is from teevee shows set in hospitals and I haven't seen any for years so I forgot.

[crickets]

87. That's not a bad point, though. His addictions will be an issue.

His habits certainly do him no favors.

[Stuart G]

89. Kick for Visability...Thank You for your post and analysis.

[intheflow]

97. We know he's very sick because he admitted he was sick.

If he tested positive but was asymptomatic, we would never know, he'd just keep tweeting and hosting more super spreader events.

[Qutzupalotl]

98. 6. The white House lies constantly about everything

large and small.

I’m not inclined to believe the Boy Who Cried Wolf this time about much of anything.

He’s sick and likely very, very sick. He just needs to project strength to help him on Nov. 3.