This doctor is lying

[Stinky The Clown]

Dodged questions about oxygen use three times

Refusing to give specific numbers

Gave some happy talk



Shame on you, doctor

[Kingofalldems]

1. Is this fucking guy even a doctor?

[Pachamama]

9. He looks like he plays one on TV

[Dave Starsky]

28. Did he have one of those reflector headbands?

[ms liberty]

22. Note to "D.O" after his name on his coat

Doctor of Osteopathy. Not a Doctor of Medicine, or M.D.

I saw the D.O. on his coat and had to look it up to be sure. Not going to offer an editorial comment on it though, because I don't actually know enough about it to have one, lol. Hopefully one of our DU Medical Professionals will enlighten and educate us?

[DeminPennswoods]

29. I noticed that, too

But, I think at lot of GP/family docs are DOs. At least that's what my dad's doc was.

[Dave Starsky]

33. DOs get the same basic medical training that MDs do.

With some other physical-medicine-stuff thrown in.

They can even go on to become board-certified surgeons and specialists, the same way that MDs can.

So, no, they're not like chiropractors or naturopaths and the like, if that's what people are thinking.

[ms liberty]

37. Thanks! That was the impression I got from my tiny bit of reading

About it, but I wasn't sure.

[kag]

42. This is how I understand it as well.

Two of my family's best docs were D.O.'s. They are "real" doctors.

[Yeehah]

57. Correct

D.O.s are real doctors.

[Tess49]

61. Thank you! My son is a board certified ER physician. And a D.O. He has been working his ass off

during this pandemic. During one of our calls, he was so tired he could barely speak. Long hours, many days working without a break. When this started, he and other ER staff had to make their own PPEs because the hospital ran out. Can you imagine? I have been frantic at times.

[LuvNewcastle]

70. The first time I saw someone listed as an osteopath,

I got it confused with 'homeopath.' Not the same thing at all. I think a lot of people do that, and they're scared the doctor is going to pull out the crystals and give them some watered-down medicine.

[LiberalArkie]

36. Yes he is an MD.

Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine (DO or D.O.) is a professional doctoral degree for physicians and surgeons offered by medical schools in the United States. A DO graduate may become licensed as an osteopathic physician, having equivalent rights, privileges, and responsibilities as a physician who has earned the Doctor of Medicine (MD) degree.[1] Osteopathic physicians, or DOs, currently have unlimited practice rights in roughly 74 countries, with partial practice rights in many more; [2] [3] DOs have full practice rights in all 50 US states. They constitute 11% of all US physicians. As of 2018, there were more than 145,000 osteopathic physicians and osteopathic medical students in the United States.[4]

DO degrees are offered in the United States at 36 medical schools, at 57 locations compared to MD degrees offered at 171 schools.[5][6][7] Since 2007, total DO student enrollment has been increasing yearly. As of 2015, more than 20% of all medical school enrollment were DO students.[8][9] The curricula at osteopathic medical schools are similar to those at MD-granting medical schools, which focus the first two years on the biomedical and clinical sciences, then two years on core clinical training in the clinical specialties.[10]

Upon completing medical school, a DO graduate may enter an internship or residency training program, which may be followed by fellowship training.[10] DO graduates attend the same graduate medical education programs as their MD counterparts.

[ms liberty]

40. Thanks! I knew some of us here would know. n/t

[Tess49]

46. A D.O. is most definitely a physician. n/t

[dalton99a]

53. MDs and DOs share the same residency and fellowship training programs and certification boards

There is a very strong likelihood you'll run in to a DO in primary care and emergent settings

[DownriverDem]

65. DOs

I'm not a doctor but DOs believe in spinal manipulation (like chiropractors) and using vitamins.

[dalton99a]

69. Manipulation is an extra skill they have but probably never use after med school graduation

because most of them go into specialties that don't use it

[dflprincess]

2. And I thought I was the only one thinking that

Of course I also had to wonder just how low I've sunk as I realized I wanted bad news.

[livetohike]

3. Also, "He is in the hospital because he is the President."

Melania has to fend for herself.

[Traildogbob]

27. He Melanoma

“We really Don’t care, Like You!!!”
You can use this to not deal with the fucking Christmas decorations. And the Gold is running out. You two owe it all to others. Stop the digging. Your nails are a mess.

[livetohike]

31. I can't stand her. My Mom (R.I.P.) always said she

thought Melania was a Russian spy. I wish my Mom had made it to Nov 3 to cast her vote against Trump.

[Traildogbob]

45. She may be sittin with RBG

Laughing. Sorry for your lose. Rest assured, Melanoma will not be where your mom is when the reaper calls her.

[livetohike]

56. Thanks Traildogbob. n/t

[Traildogbob]

59. Absolutely

And, I live to hike as well. Cheers.

[Stinky The Clown]

84. I with your Mom on that . . . . . .

Sorry for your loss.

I have long thought she could be his handler. Kinda like in the show The Americans.

[livetohike]

85. Thanks. Yes, exactly like The Americans. I loved that

series

[bmbmd]

4. If he were my doctor

I'd want to head to a world class hospital asap, just like Trump. He doesn't inspire confidence.

[PTWB]

5. This doctor is full of shit

Unless we are to take it that Trump received oxygen on Wednesday ...

Also, they said he received the antibody treatment 48 hours ago... before he went to the fundraiser?

[KewlKat]

7. dr Sean started with "we're 72 hours into the diagnosis....

So well before his events in NJ

[gristy]

13. 72 hours?

That puts diagnosis Wednesday morning.
12 hours after the end of the debate.
I have little doubt that he is lying now.
Trump knew he was covid positive prior to the debate.
And his only objective at that point was to make sure that Biden would be covid positive soon after.
Remember how flabbergasted EVERYONE was at trump's behavior in the debate?
They couldn't understand it. They said he damaged his reelection chances.
But if trump knew he was sick, it all makes sense.
Doesn't it.

[gab13by13]

19. Exactly, this is the issue,

Trump knew he tested positive for Covid and still met with people and travelled with people. He never told the Bidens, what a piece of shit, the Bidens should be furious. Trump said nothing because he believes his own bs that the virus will just go away if you ignore it.

[LSparkle]

50. He reminded me of Doogie Howser ...

With apologies to Neil Patrick Harris because he played a doc better on TV.

[certainot]

71. MSNBC running a chiron stating (from pool source) trump's vitals have been concerning

last 24 hrs and next 48hrs critical

[Laelth]

6. Quite obvious.

If Trump WASN’T on oxygen, doc would have said so. The obvious conclusion is that Trump IS on oxygen (and that’s probably appropriate treatment at this point).

-Laelth

[R B Garr]

8. Well, that looked like more of The Trump Show.

I expected more honesty from doctors.

Answer the questions about the oxygen and when he first tested positive.

[LiberalArkie]

41. Doctors can only be honest with the patient. Hipa

[Tess49]

48. HIPAA

[R B Garr]

51. Not about the timeline, though.

Isn’t that public knowledge now? The contact tracing is, I thought. The doctors were very cagey about that.

[Marie Marie]

68. Not only that, I'll bet it was Trump's idea to line up all those doctors

just like they were his Generals. And did you notice a few times how the doctor added, almost as an: Oh, I forgot, I'm supposed to say...

The comment about how much work the Chief of Staff brought him and He was ready to walk out of there. As IF Trump was actually "working" (he doesn't work when he is in the WH - much less the hospital) or that he felt well enough to leave. Pure bullshit with the script written by Trump himself.

[dchill]

77. He works by Tweet. That is all.

[Wounded Bear]

10. Probably why they were late...

Getting the story straight.

[gristy]

11. I watched the show for about a minute and had to turn it off.

It was just so gross. Like a paid advertisement. They were 45 minutes late, no doubt time spent prepping the speakers and running through their statements.

[dalton99a]

12. All of them are in the military chain of command.

[grantcart]

14. He is covering up but not lying. His refusal to answer specific questions shows that

he is trying to obfuscate the facts but it also shows that he is not willing to lie.

[Stinky The Clown]

16. Covering up IS lying

[grantcart]

17. No lying is lying. The doctor refused to make a false statement. He refused to lie

Being unresponsive but telling the truth is not the same as lying unless we no longer care about words having specific meanings in which go to it.

The doctor was unresponsive and tried to obfuscate the answer.

He did not lie.

Your saying he did is being untruthful. I wouldn't call it a lie because in a heightened state of outrage you are making a hyperbolic statement but saying that the doctor lied is in fact no a truthful statement unless you can identify one of the answers he did make that he intentionally gave a false answer to. Not answering is not the same as lying.

[Stinky The Clown]

25. Oh stop. His intent was to convey a story no matter what was asked.

He may or may not have lied in a legal sense, but no matter. his intent was to limit information and convey his story line.

You call it what you want.

Have a swell day.

[grantcart]

38. Oh stop lol. Your OP headline is untruthful. Clean it up or be held accountable for being untruthful

Your angry so you think that you can escalate and exaggerate so that words like "lie" don't actually mean "lie".

And again he wasn't trying to convey a story line he was trying to bury a story line. As far as we know there was nothing that the Doctor said that was the least bit untruthful, he refused to answer questions, not the same as a lie.

Your OP is more untruthful than the Doctors refusal to be transparent (which again is nothing like a lie)

It is a real weakness of DU because it undermines credibility.

You have admitted that the Doctor didn't lie but you continue with an untruthful OP headline because you think you have a license to say things that are not accurate and are in fact untruthful.

People that didn't see it will think that we caught him in a lie, which again is not truthful.

What it did do is to focus the real question and that is

"What did the President know and when did he know it?"

Knowing that you are contagious and contacting people, putting them at risk is a criminal offense in some jurisdictions.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214198284

[lonely bird]

75. So, obfuscation is OK?

The doc didn’t technically lie. No, he engaged in agitprop. Is that better? Not to me. Not in this instance. Obfuscation is the first cousin of lying. Both conceal the truth. One by simply saying what is untrue and passing it off as truth and the other seeks to direct away from the truth.

Now, all of that said it is highly likely he was told to do so. And on occasion obfuscation can be acceptable depending on the circumstances: Wife: does this dress look good on me. Husband: you always look good to me.😉✌️

[Stinky The Clown]

76. Thank you!

Heh!

Your reply won me a bet with my wife. She said you wouldn’t reply. I said you would. There was a follow up that that if you replied it would be long-winded I won on that score too. Thanks and have a swell day

[jcgoldie]

15. Is he the same guy that said Trump weighs 239...

...and will live to be 200?

[Stinky The Clown]

26. No, that was Doctor Drunkard

Ronnie Jackson

[ariesgem]

18. He would of been a little more convincing

if he didn't describe the vital signs of this bloated, out of shape, overweight, covid-invested man of having just PERFECT vital signs.

The doctor could've tweeked the numbers to make it sound a little more realistic. Sounds exactly like Trump's "everything about me is perfect" description.

[pazzyanne]

35. He did qualify the numbers with medications tRump is on to help control his vitals. nt

[gab13by13]

20. I believe Trump had the virus days before he told us,

Sanjay Gupta even said it would take time to order the antibody cocktail to get it to the White House. Trump met with people and travelled with people knowing he tested positive.

[catbyte]

52. Now they're admitting he was diagnosed on Wednesday before he went to the fundraisers

which means it was probably earlier. That might be why they deliberately came too late for Cleveland Clinic to test him. This means that he knew he was positive when he was spitting at Joe for 90 minutes. I won't relax until next week.

[djacq]

21. Credibility is shot when it comes to Trump's health.

[WinstonSmith4740]

23. Here's what the line will be.

"The doctor didn't want to panic people by admitting Trump was on oxygen."

Or cause them to dance in the street.

[niyad]

47. My second friend who died from CoViD was in ICU, on oxygen, for nearly a week. Recovered enough

to be in a CoViD ward for nearly a week.we talked daily, and he was on his social media. Then he relapsed. Back to ICU. Lasted less than two days. Younger than covidiot45*, but similar comorbidities.

I will always be grateful to the incredible teams at the hospital. He revived excellent care, and they were all so caring and compassionate.

[NightWatcher]

24. and then per this video, Meadows pulled pool reporters to the side for an off the record update

Link to tweet

We need to put Pence in charge to show that we maintain Presidential strength and control. We need to hunker down, not tour around.

[DeminPennswoods]

34. Catch this from Meadows?

"...obviously we can't release to the public..." then asking whatever he says to be off the record.

[jayfish]

30. "Everything Trump Touches Dies" -NT-

[MLAA]

39. Melania won't even hold his hand so do doubt he's been touching himself.😬

[lsewpershad]

32. Most powerful person in the world?

Really? Tell that to the virus.

[jayfish]

44. I Like People Who Didn't Get Covid.

[dianaredwing]

66. can we tweak that?

I like presidents who don't get covid. Many of the sick and dying didn't ask for the disease. Sure there are a bunch of idiots out there who followed risky procedures, but a lot of people simply were in the wrong place at the wrong time and some were health care workers.

[jayfish]

67. The Context is,...

" I like people who weren't captured". I try to keep as close to the source material as possible when mangling it for my own use. Your point is well taken though.

[DeminPennswoods]

43. Thought that was wierd not to give Trump's vitals

since he gave the blood oxygen number, which is probably more important than the others given that's covid is a repiratory and possibly a vascular disease.

[Roisin Ni Fiachra]

49. Lies, straight out of Trump's fascist playbook.

"I wanted to always play it down."

"I still like playing it down because I don't want to create a panic."

"Just stay calm and it will go away."

"I don't want to jump up and down and start screaming, 'Death! Death!' because that's not what it's about."

"We are going to get through this. And we are right now, I think, I hope, we're rounding the final turn."

---Quotes by Trump

[Major Nikon]

54. Everything is fine

[Iggo]

64. I can't express with enough words how perfect that image is.

[Jon King]

55. The tall Navy doctor behind him....

The doctor behind him was so nervous and twitchy the entire time Trump's doc was talking. His body language showed a guy wondering if he really wanted to be a part of the lies.

[ariesgem]

62. I noticed the same exact thing..

n/t..

[ancianita]

58. Think he's a fake doctor in on a bigass hoax? Just wondering what lying really is.

I've read the arguments here, but still think that in the aggregate... if it's covering up, off the record, fakish hoaxing, not the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth to the body politic... I'd call it lying.

[Warpy]

60. HIPAA

Dumdum has a right to medical privacy, also. Reporters were asking some inappropriate questions.

What we do know is that the fucker was diagnosed on Wednesday and refused to quarantine.

I have to wonder what all the suckers at that Bedminster fundraiser are thinking now.

[slumcamper]

63. Likely. Gotta keep American public from PANICKING, right???

Must keep those markets from tanking!

Darkness precedes light. And the truth is that, after a long, cold, dark night, the sun is ascending on the promise of a new day of truth and optimism. History "moves" like this, and as Seamus Heaney might remind us, we are at a point where the great tidal wave of justice has risen up--and hope and history RHYME.

This is a historical fulcrum, and we must seize the dynamic of the moment and propel ourselves--and our future--into a better place.

I love you all.

[C Moon]

72. He looks young. I hope lying doesn't look bad on his resume, because he has a video resume now.

[Pepsidog]

73. Trust nothing that comes from Trump side, not even his doctors.

[NoRoadUntravelled]

74. Another reason why this administration cannot be trusted.

n/t

[Fla Dem]

78. No shame on the doctor, did the best he could. A doctor can only release patient information

he has been given permission to release. Shame is on Trump and hos family/advisors.

[karynnj]

79. Only if you count lying by ommission

That is a huge difference as the media quickly parsed what was said and what was not said. It was quickly clear that he at some point had received oxygen support. That is not a little thing as he would have been in the first few days, not the 5 to 8 days period when things can turn very bad. This likely explains why he was treated with both the antibodies and the drug found to help people with breathing problems.

Also note they said he had no fever today. Am I cynical to question why they did not add that this was without any fever lowering medication?

What seems clear is that he is sicker at this point in the disease than anyone with what could be called a mild, or possibly even a moderate, case. He does have the best medical help imaginable. This is to be expected given his position.

As to the Senators, who tested positive, why are they only questioning that Lee says he will quarantine for 10 days, not 14. That is the recommendation for people with significant contact with someone with covid, not someone diagnosed with it. Of course, this also Jim Jordan not quarantining at all!

Consider that for the last several months, the standard for someone who has the virus being clear of it was always a specified period of no fever without any medication and two negative tests. Both houses should have rules that keep any person WITH THE VIRUS out of the building.

[totodeinhere]

80. I have mixed feelings on this. Yes, he is the POTUS and the public is entitled to know

the truth about his condition. But he is also an American citizen who is entitled to medical privacy as outlined in the HIPAA laws just like anyone else.

[flibbitygiblets]

81. My understanding is that part of the reason they moved him to Walter Reed is

that it's easier to control how many people know the truth.

[still_one]

82. not lying directly, omitting information

[Happy Hoosier]

83. I noticed he refused to answer....

... the question of if he had ever been on oxygen. They are NOT treating this with transparency.

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

86. Clearly, this "infection" is a Trump hoax.

Isn't that what he calls anything he doesn't likes because it conflicts with his warped worldview?

We can't get a straight answer about his medical condition or the time line of the infection or the prognostication because it's all a hoax.

Trump saw he was losing, and losing big time. He wasn't going to be saved even by his stacked SCOTUS or the shenanigans with GOP state legislatures having the power to pic one elector each, no matter the actual vote. He saw he was going to go down in history as a LOSER, so he concocted this hoax.

Lots of people who work in the WH are testing positive, but there's no mandatory requirement to wear a mask because it's a part of Trump's hoax.

His minions will want to change the rules of the election to fit Trump's hoax.

Two can play that game.