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steve2470

(37,457 posts)
Sat Oct 3, 2020, 04:57 PM Oct 2020

sincere question: what do you regard as the "golden age" of political discourse in Congress ?

I've heard about Tip O'Neill and...I forget the Republican counterpart, back in the early 1980's. Even though we disagreed strongly with the Republicans, somehow things got done and it wasn't so freaking toxic. Compromises were forged. Yes, I would love to have a 1933-style Congress where we have iron-clad majorities in both houses but that seems to be the exception to the rule.

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sincere question: what do you regard as the "golden age" of political discourse in Congress ? (Original Post) steve2470 Oct 2020 OP
1960 to Newt Gingrich. Volaris Oct 2020 #1
+1 stillcool Oct 2020 #2
Yup. Gingrich screwed it up forever calguy Oct 2020 #3
Speaker O'Neill was friends but political adversaries bottomofthehill Oct 2020 #4
There were a lot of tough fights then bottomofthehill Oct 2020 #5
1950s until Nixon. sinkingfeeling Oct 2020 #6
Nixon passed the clean air and water act. And from a diplomatic standpoint, Volaris Oct 2020 #8
I read Gingrich is a cause for a lot of the problems we have today JonLP24 Oct 2020 #7
Gerrymandering and the lack of pork spending has lots to do with it too Wanderlust988 Oct 2020 #9

Volaris

(10,270 posts)
1. 1960 to Newt Gingrich.
Sat Oct 3, 2020, 05:04 PM
Oct 2020

A lot of good legislation got passed, by presidents of BOTH parties.
When Newt took the House, he utterly blew up congressional norms because he thought (wrongly) that he had a mandate to be a dick to the democratic minority AND their president, just because he won.

bottomofthehill

(8,329 posts)
4. Speaker O'Neill was friends but political adversaries
Sat Oct 3, 2020, 05:18 PM
Oct 2020

With Republican Leaders Jerry Ford and then Bob Michael. In the Senate the Republican leaders were Howard Baker and Bob Dole. They were willing to do what was best for the good of the nation, not just the good of the Republican Party.

bottomofthehill

(8,329 posts)
5. There were a lot of tough fights then
Sat Oct 3, 2020, 05:22 PM
Oct 2020

Speaker ONeill did not win them all, there were wins on some like social security, losses on Star Wars and compromises on taxes and debt

Volaris

(10,270 posts)
8. Nixon passed the clean air and water act. And from a diplomatic standpoint,
Sun Oct 4, 2020, 03:27 AM
Oct 2020

He opened china to us, downgrading a sworn enemy to merely an economic rival.
And Reagan, for all his other issues, decided that cutting a deal with the soviet union was better than nuclear annihilation, and in so doing helped collapse that world power.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
7. I read Gingrich is a cause for a lot of the problems we have today
Sat Oct 3, 2020, 07:07 PM
Oct 2020

So I would have to say sometime before Gingrich.

Wanderlust988

(509 posts)
9. Gerrymandering and the lack of pork spending has lots to do with it too
Sun Oct 4, 2020, 04:54 AM
Oct 2020

It used to be you could get politicians on board with a bill or something if you threw them a bridge in their district or something. They've taken that away now and it's given less incentive for people to work for a compromise. I think they should bring back earmarks. They're not pleasant, but they work. And that's for both Dems and the GOP. You'd be surprised at how much a bridge in a town gets things done.

And gerrymandering has made the districts either solid red or blue and the reps don't care what the other side thinks cause they don't need them to win re-election.

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