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Now why would 538 be showing a rise in tRumps approval numbers??? (Original Post) a kennedy Oct 2020 OP
because trump is playing the media for the fools they really are/ nt msongs Oct 2020 #1
Look at the individual polls TwilightZone Oct 2020 #2
Because of Zogby. Rule of Claw Oct 2020 #3
50-47 for Zogby. TwilightZone Oct 2020 #4
Wouldn't Be The First Time John's Outfit Has Been That ProfessorGAC Oct 2020 #11
Beat me to the punch. MontanaFarmer Oct 2020 #5
Boris Johnson had the same increase in popularity StClone Oct 2020 #6
I hope it's nothing like Boris or Trump will win reelection rather easily... Drunken Irishman Oct 2020 #13
Zogby kurtcagle Oct 2020 #7
I know! I have looked at that every day for 4 years. I see the Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2020 #8
Just a single zogby poll, don't sweat it Loki Liesmith Oct 2020 #9
Lemme guess.... because he's finally quiet? Talitha Oct 2020 #10
Exactly what I expected to happen. Crunchy Frog Oct 2020 #12
Exactly! Iwasthere Oct 2020 #14
538 doesn't decide the numbers BGBD Oct 2020 #15
Also, state polls are weighted heavier on 538 JustGene Oct 2020 #17
The only number BGBD Oct 2020 #18
No reggaehead Oct 2020 #16

TwilightZone

(25,464 posts)
2. Look at the individual polls
Sat Oct 3, 2020, 07:20 PM
Oct 2020

It looks like a few of them show a slight bump. Hence, the slight increase in the average.

Most post-debate versions of the polls aren't out yet, so it could very well drop shortly.

 

Rule of Claw

(500 posts)
3. Because of Zogby.
Sat Oct 3, 2020, 07:20 PM
Oct 2020

Morning Consult has Oct 2-3 40-58. That with the early data from AZ suggests he is plummeting in the polls.

ProfessorGAC

(64,995 posts)
11. Wouldn't Be The First Time John's Outfit Has Been That
Sat Oct 3, 2020, 07:49 PM
Oct 2020

For a couple months in '96, Zogby had Clinton's job approval in the low 40s. All other pollsters, including Gallup, had him at 58-65 over that same period.
I haven't respected their numbers since.

StClone

(11,683 posts)
6. Boris Johnson had the same increase in popularity
Sat Oct 3, 2020, 07:24 PM
Oct 2020

BJ's approval is now as low as ever. Sympathy for, regardless, the person in a crisis. Trump will get it too. I can't say why, but he will. Predictions of this were around, but it will likely go back down, unless fatal. And we will see in about ten days when the virus really gets going. But they are doing everything they can for the criminal.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
13. I hope it's nothing like Boris or Trump will win reelection rather easily...
Sat Oct 3, 2020, 08:00 PM
Oct 2020

We've got a month left.

Boris Johnson's approval prior to entering the hospital, according to YouGov.uk was around 46% (down from 48% the month before). After entering the hospital, his approval jumped 20 points to 66% in a poll that was conducted a bit over two weeks after he announced that he had tested positive and about a week after entering the hospital and a day after leaving it (April 16th). His approval roughly a month later was at 57%. It wasn't until June 6th that he finally dropped below 50%.

Of course, there's some caveats here:

1) It's one poll.
2) There's going to be way more daily/weekly polls than this YouGov poll that was done, at best, every three or four weeks, so, it's possible it'll catch the decline earlier. Between that 57% on May 10th and the 43% on June 6th, who knows how fast it dropped?

With that said, we've got 31 days until the election.

31 days from the time Johnson was admitted to the hospital was May 6th. The poll released a few days later (May 10th) again had his approval still relatively high at 57%.

If that happens to Trump, he'll win reelection rather easily - likely taking PA, MI, WI, FL, NC, OH, IA, maybe MN and NH, along with AZ and NV.

But like I said, that's just one poll.

You can view other polls here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leadership_approval_opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election

He definitely saw a significant jump in support in other polls.

A month out, though, he was still +20 in most polls.

kurtcagle

(1,602 posts)
7. Zogby
Sat Oct 3, 2020, 07:25 PM
Oct 2020

And yes. People generally don't like to speak ill of the ill, and there have been a few polls (including the Zogby) polls that 538 weighs fairly heavily that show that flip. Zogby actually didn't have him underwater, so it bumped up his numbers overall.

Overall, at this stage in the election, I don't think it will make any difference, but I also expect that this will be a temporary bump.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
8. I know! I have looked at that every day for 4 years. I see the
Sat Oct 3, 2020, 07:33 PM
Oct 2020

trends week to week. It is troubling. Approvals and matchups.

I wonder who controls the test results in the WH? The Quacktor? When I took a test I got a result text.

Iwasthere

(3,158 posts)
14. Exactly!
Sat Oct 3, 2020, 08:03 PM
Oct 2020

He was so desperate, appeared finished, now it seems all the big late breaking negative stories are wiped off the screen.

 

BGBD

(3,282 posts)
15. 538 doesn't decide the numbers
Sat Oct 3, 2020, 08:04 PM
Oct 2020

This is an average and its being inflated by some bad polls like Zogby and Ras.

 

BGBD

(3,282 posts)
18. The only number
Sat Oct 3, 2020, 09:49 PM
Oct 2020

That I saw change was the approval numbers going up a bit on the Zogby poll.

The model hasn't changed at all today. Still 80/20

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