Sun Oct 4, 2020, 12:21 PM

Dr. Sanjay Gupta of CNN just said unequivocally, "The president is sicker than they are telling us."

And he goes into detail about the announcement of medications and the timing of events.

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Dr. Sanjay Gupta of CNN just said unequivocally, "The president is sicker than they are telling us." (Original post)	Earthshine2	Oct 2020	OP
Like shit he's going to be released to go back to the WH tomorrow...	TruckFump	Oct 2020	#1
think of Mailordia trying to fight back the grin when they hand her that flag. :)	brewens	Oct 2020	#3
Think of how much the publishing industry will pay her to write a tell-all book.	Earthshine2	Oct 2020	#7
And if it's after he dies, would she still be bound by some non disclosure agreement?	calimary	Oct 2020	#15
Marla already told a story about him	wnylib	Oct 2020	#33
I'm pretty sure that was Ivana.	HoosierDebbie	Oct 2020	#40
Oops. I think you're right. So hard to keep track of	wnylib	Oct 2020	#41
Yeah. It WAS Ivana.	calimary	Oct 2020	#91
Now that we know he is broke	treestar	Oct 2020	#56
The publisher will have to hire someone	generalbetrayus	Oct 2020	#60
First, I really like that nickname	Fritz Walter	Oct 2020	#29
That's one she won't be able to plagiarize	wnylib	Oct 2020	#39
It starts with, "I come to Amereeca weeth no thing but perfect breasts and fine pussy	brewens	Oct 2020	#71
Actually, I think you've given us the	COLGATE4	Oct 2020	#81
She could wait for Marla to write one	LoveMyCali	Oct 2020	#52
Mailorder Mel, Duchess of Plastic, member of Ye Olde Order of the Orange	Celerity	Oct 2020	#83
But then sobbing uncontrollably when she finds out there's nothing left in their bank account &	Illumination	Oct 2020	#45
Do presidents that never served in the military get/deserve a flag?	csziggy	Oct 2020	#55
No he certainly does not deserve a flag or any other honor.	sarge43	Oct 2020	#64
...	AdamGG	Oct 2020	#80
OK, he can have that flag	csziggy	Oct 2020	#88
...Like she just won the lottery!	lastlib	Oct 2020	#72
LOL, "I-OWE-A" isn't just a state anymore!	Totally Tunsie	Oct 2020	#76
Don't be so sure about that	misanthrope	Oct 2020	#82
I love that! "Mailordia"!	calimary	Oct 2020	#92
usually when I think I came up with a good one, I look online and someone beat me to it.	brewens	Oct 2020	#93
Yours is completely original (she said, with a touch of envy)!	calimary	Oct 2020	#95
He waited to announce he's sick until after the stock market closed	gollygee	Oct 2020	#18
IMO, good observation.	TruckFump	Oct 2020	#21
I never understood why government waited until Friday to announce a lot of big news.	C Moon	Oct 2020	#67
Wrong Flag	Traildogbob	Oct 2020	#26
Good point!	TruckFump	Oct 2020	#31
Weird that they would set themselves up for more	SayItLoud	Oct 2020	#42
IMO, the docs are giving more of POLITICAL rather than MEDICAL messages.	TruckFump	Oct 2020	#44
I read where Dr Conley has promoted Hydroxychloroquine.	vapor2	Oct 2020	#53
This was my thought.	BadgerMom	Oct 2020	#61
They are trying to prop him up	pandr32	Oct 2020	#2
What I gained from this is that President Biden needs to get that hospital suite	jimfields33	Oct 2020	#4
Say what?	Kingofalldems	Oct 2020	#12
Updated? Overhaul?	generalbetrayus	Oct 2020	#62
What for?	pandr32	Oct 2020	#84
Take a look at the pictures	jimfields33	Oct 2020	#86
His cult believes every word of it.	Boomerproud	Oct 2020	#13
They do	pandr32	Oct 2020	#85
Humpty Trumpty had a...	Newest Reality	Oct 2020	#5
He speculating. He isn't trumps doctor. He has limited information trump has the most cutting edge	mucifer	Oct 2020	#6
He may have some off-the-record inside information. I would be very	Tanuki	Oct 2020	#9
He is probably basing his opinion on the protocol for the meds he has been given.	58Sunliner	Oct 2020	#10
Doctors don't always use protocol especially in a case like this	mucifer	Oct 2020	#11
They do if the drug can do damage if administered too early. Did you read the article?	Quixote1818	Oct 2020	#28
He did require supplemental oxygen. n/t	Ms. Toad	Oct 2020	#65
Doctors have to justify their drug use-even with covid.	58Sunliner	Oct 2020	#32
Exactly as dexamethasone suppresses the immune system. If Trump takes a turn for the worst	Quixote1818	Oct 2020	#68
Clorex and Lysol and a light blub enema are next....	Historic NY	Oct 2020	#73
Some things are VERY obvious to people in the medical field,	Hortensis	Oct 2020	#36
Can't Wait for Movie!	Stallion	Oct 2020	#8
It's already been released years ago, in 1989:	George II	Oct 2020	#22
Others in the press pool are mirroring the same message, things aren't adding up	ffr	Oct 2020	#14
If he cannot be photo'd sitting up in a chair, possibly speaking, they need to put Pence in	NightWatcher	Oct 2020	#16
Sorry but USA looks weak with trump on the chair, and even weaker with Pence	Escurumbele	Oct 2020	#20
Move them out of the WH so a HAZMAT team	wnylib	Oct 2020	#46
I'm sure Joe and Jill will make sure the place is cleaned up.	panader0	Oct 2020	#74
Pretty Rotten When Even The Doctors Are Liars n/t	DallasNE	Oct 2020	#17
Weekend at Bernie's because it's 2020.	sarcasmo	Oct 2020	#19
The optics, the optics. How long can they prop him up?	BarbD	Oct 2020	#27
They propped up Ronnie for 8 years.	wnylib	Oct 2020	#48
Wait a minute	Gymbo	Oct 2020	#23
Through "immaculate deception"!	George II	Oct 2020	#24
I bet he is insisting on being released.	Peregrine Took	Oct 2020	#30
Because the White House has its own doctors and nurses on staff and and a hospital-like setting	Liberty Belle	Oct 2020	#37
I'm betting that they do not want to release him,	wnylib	Oct 2020	#50
You don't relapse if you aren't over it in the first place.	Ms. Toad	Oct 2020	#66
Meriam Webster on relapse	wnylib	Oct 2020	#89
If that's the definition you want to hang on to -	Ms. Toad	Oct 2020	#90
Right, it's not like he would really be going "home."	Lasher	Oct 2020	#54
He probably is both sicker than they say,but has a much better chance at recovery than most	andym	Oct 2020	#25
But it won't be a total recovery.	Earthshine2	Oct 2020	#34
but I bet	bdamomma	Oct 2020	#69
I think so too.	cwydro	Oct 2020	#35
Speaking as a hypochondriac -- I think Gupta wrong	crimycarny	Oct 2020	#38
I think both you and Gupta are correct. Both of your educated opinions are completely compatible.	Earthshine2	Oct 2020	#43
My only solace is this will take a toll regardless of science	crimycarny	Oct 2020	#47
Agree, and he and his rich friends pay no taxes	radius777	Oct 2020	#70
"I don't think it's wrong to feel satisfaction if Trump suffers long term effects from this. "	Earthshine2	Oct 2020	#87
Trump is suffering? That's Karma in action! Absolutely heaven sent!...	Illumination	Oct 2020	#49
Regeneron has a less than stellar history.	Jon King	Oct 2020	#51
Very enlightening	crimycarny	Oct 2020	#58
Interesting, so the worst is yet to come?	flamingdem	Oct 2020	#63
People like you are one of the reasons I love DU.	panader0	Oct 2020	#75
K&R!	SheltieLover	Oct 2020	#57
They're obviously treating him much more aggressively than most of us would	BusyBeingBest	Oct 2020	#59
The silly photo op told the tale	Warpy	Oct 2020	#77
That was obvious from the video Twitler released	kwijybo	Oct 2020	#78
Dr Conley is gaslighting us. He said trump is on remdesivir and has had 2 treatments thus far.	iluvtennis	Oct 2020	#79
One can only hope. nt	tblue37	Oct 2020	#94

Response to Earthshine2 (Original post)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 12:28 PM

TruckFump (5,007 posts)

1. Like shit he's going to be released to go back to the WH tomorrow...

...unless it's like this:

[link:

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Response to TruckFump (Reply #1)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 12:30 PM

brewens (11,972 posts)

3. think of Mailordia trying to fight back the grin when they hand her that flag. :)

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Response to brewens (Reply #3)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 12:36 PM

Earthshine2 (2,295 posts)

7. Think of how much the publishing industry will pay her to write a tell-all book.

She'll get more from that than Donald's financially underwater estate.

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Response to Earthshine2 (Reply #7)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 12:58 PM

calimary (73,993 posts)

15. And if it's after he dies, would she still be bound by some non disclosure agreement?

I bet we might finally hear from the exiled Marla Maples at such a time, too.

I bet Marla has a story to tell, also.

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Response to calimary (Reply #15)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 01:11 PM

wnylib (16,591 posts)

33. Marla already told a story about him

in her divorce filing, about how he beat and raped her because she had recommeded the person who botched a hair transplant job on him. Then she retracted it and I can only imagine what threats he used to accomplish that.

Maybe she will un-retract it.

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Response to wnylib (Reply #33)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 01:17 PM

HoosierDebbie (223 posts)

40. I'm pretty sure that was Ivana.

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Response to HoosierDebbie (Reply #40)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 01:21 PM

wnylib (16,591 posts)

41. Oops. I think you're right. So hard to keep track of

his exes - the wives, mistresses, hired "companions."

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Response to wnylib (Reply #41)

Mon Oct 5, 2020, 11:19 AM

calimary (73,993 posts)

91. Yeah. It WAS Ivana.

And she's been muzzled, too.

Can't wait til they finally speak. Just guessing that if/when he eventually passes, that would release them from non-disclosure "agreements" that they were probably forced to sign or face a LOT of grief, legal, financial, AND otherwise.

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Response to calimary (Reply #15)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 01:54 PM

treestar (80,844 posts)

56. Now that we know he is broke

The payoff might be more than the lawsuit costs.

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Response to Earthshine2 (Reply #7)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 02:03 PM

generalbetrayus (443 posts)

60. The publisher will have to hire someone

to rewrite it from the original Slovenian Eengleesh.

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Response to brewens (Reply #3)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 01:08 PM

Fritz Walter (4,117 posts)

29. First, I really like that nickname

Stealing it!
Second, I think that grin will drop like a stone through a wet paper bag when she meets with the executor of his will. The estate -- what's left of it -- will be as miniscule as his heart. Then, she'll find out that his "adult" children will get the lion's share of any remaining assets.

Maybe she could write a tell-all book.
No, wait! What am I thinking? Mailordia writing something?!?

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Response to Fritz Walter (Reply #29)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 01:16 PM

wnylib (16,591 posts)

39. That's one she won't be able to plagiarize

Last edited Sun Oct 4, 2020, 06:11 PM - Edit history (1)

from Michelle.

But, she might right (sic) book with Slovenian accent. "How I Met and Married Hateful Soul Mate."

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Response to wnylib (Reply #39)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 02:48 PM

brewens (11,972 posts)

71. It starts with, "I come to Amereeca weeth no thing but perfect breasts and fine pussy

to make fortune."

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Response to brewens (Reply #71)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 04:26 PM

COLGATE4 (14,732 posts)

81. Actually, I think you've given us the

text of the entire book.

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Response to Fritz Walter (Reply #29)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 01:50 PM

LoveMyCali (1,964 posts)

52. She could wait for Marla to write one

and then steal it.

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Response to Fritz Walter (Reply #29)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 04:33 PM

Celerity (34,381 posts)

83. Mailorder Mel, Duchess of Plastic, member of Ye Olde Order of the Orange

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Response to brewens (Reply #3)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 01:28 PM

Illumination (2,458 posts)

45. But then sobbing uncontrollably when she finds out there's nothing left in their bank account &

she's been left penniless...

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Response to brewens (Reply #3)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 01:53 PM

csziggy (33,784 posts)

55. Do presidents that never served in the military get/deserve a flag?

Seriously, it would be an insult to the flags that both my parents earned by serving during WWII to have a draft dodging piece of shit get one just because the Electoral College is fucked up.

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Response to csziggy (Reply #55)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 02:08 PM

sarge43 (28,628 posts)

64. No he certainly does not deserve a flag or any other honor.

However, as CinC and head of state one would be required. RHIP.

RBG never served and she had one on her casket and yes, she damn well deserved one.

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Response to csziggy (Reply #55)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 03:25 PM

AdamGG (1,076 posts)

80. ...

https://images.app.goo.gl/3cPrrTPM3kmZyAVB8

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Response to AdamGG (Reply #80)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 06:22 PM

csziggy (33,784 posts)

88. OK, he can have that flag

But after his revolting display, he should not be allowed to touch an American flag!

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Response to brewens (Reply #3)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 02:51 PM

lastlib (20,080 posts)

72. ...Like she just won the lottery!

(it might take some time before it changes to "I owe WHO,WHAT??!?" Vladdy-Daddy is sure to remind her and demand payment soon!)

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Response to lastlib (Reply #72)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 03:04 PM

Totally Tunsie (10,885 posts)

76. LOL, "I-OWE-A" isn't just a state anymore!

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Response to brewens (Reply #3)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 04:33 PM

misanthrope (7,083 posts)

82. Don't be so sure about that

She now knows there's no money for her, that Daddy Warbucks was in hock past his head. She is living soft right now based on their current status, which disappears if he kicks the bucket.

She also knows the nest of vipers he spawned will turn on her before the first shovelful of dirt hits Cadet Bone Spurs' coffin. Unless she has squirreled away some money, she will be SOL when he's gone.

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Response to brewens (Reply #3)

Mon Oct 5, 2020, 02:58 PM

calimary (73,993 posts)

92. I love that! "Mailordia"!

Did you come up with that one? It's hilarious! And hilariously clever!

Hey, it's not our fault that her parents gave her a name that was so easy to play with!

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Response to calimary (Reply #92)

Mon Oct 5, 2020, 04:02 PM

brewens (11,972 posts)

93. usually when I think I came up with a good one, I look online and someone beat me to it.

Not this time as far as I can tell. I've used it all over and it doesn't seem to catch on though. Oh well. I know that there's funny!

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Response to brewens (Reply #93)

Mon Oct 5, 2020, 04:15 PM

calimary (73,993 posts)

95. Yours is completely original (she said, with a touch of envy)!

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Response to TruckFump (Reply #1)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 01:01 PM

gollygee (22,336 posts)

18. He waited to announce he's sick until after the stock market closed

and he will wait to announce he's too sick to go home until after the stock market opens so it doesn't start with a crash.

This is about the stock market. It's all he's got.

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Response to gollygee (Reply #18)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 01:05 PM

TruckFump (5,007 posts)

21. IMO, good observation.

He HAS TO WIN in his estimation because if he does not, he is looking at an orange jump suit. Yep, the stock market is his only plus...and that is not saying much.

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Response to gollygee (Reply #18)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 02:16 PM

C Moon (11,216 posts)

67. I never understood why government waited until Friday to announce a lot of big news.

Ah, that's why: the stock market.
I always thought it was because people pay less attention to the news on the weekends or something.

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Response to TruckFump (Reply #1)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 01:07 PM

Traildogbob (6,430 posts)

26. Wrong Flag

It will be confederate/Russian combo.

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Response to Traildogbob (Reply #26)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 01:09 PM

TruckFump (5,007 posts)

31. Good point!

Yep, I am sure Melania will have the casket covered by the flag of the homeland to which she owes her loyalty when he's buried.

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Response to TruckFump (Reply #1)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 01:21 PM

SayItLoud (1,629 posts)

42. Weird that they would set themselves up for more

in depth questions if tRUMP is not released to return to the WH tomorrow. If he's not they will have a lot more questions whose answers will also be lies.

Wonder why NO reporter has asked: Has the president* been given a drug he promoted to America? Hydroxychloroquine. If not WHY NOT?

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Response to SayItLoud (Reply #42)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 01:24 PM

TruckFump (5,007 posts)

44. IMO, the docs are giving more of POLITICAL rather than MEDICAL messages.

My best guess...their patient want only certain statements made and they his voice at the moment.

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Response to SayItLoud (Reply #42)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 01:51 PM

vapor2 (870 posts)

53. I read where Dr Conley has promoted Hydroxychloroquine.

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Response to SayItLoud (Reply #42)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 02:05 PM

BadgerMom (2,578 posts)

61. This was my thought.

While it is unfeeling and unhealthy to set any expectation for a sick man in his 70s with co-morbidities, they have done it. There’s no walking it back. If he isn’t released tomorrow there will be so many questions. I’m betting he waits until after the stock market closes tomorrow and returns to the White House, come hell or high water. I feel sorry for White House staff who will be exposed further by caring for him in a non medical setting.

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Response to Earthshine2 (Original post)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 12:30 PM

pandr32 (9,662 posts)

2. They are trying to prop him up

DT gets the best top-tiered healthcare available in this country, experimental drugs not yet approved for others, copious amounts of steroids, attendees to fawn all over him while others are too often neglected, and a propaganda campaign machine that is still spinning.

DT wants his base to believe he's a tough guy duking it out for them.

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Response to pandr32 (Reply #2)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 12:34 PM

jimfields33 (12,148 posts)

4. What I gained from this is that President Biden needs to get that hospital suite

updated. I’m hoping with the media attention, the hospital will do it after trump is discharged. It definitely needs an overhaul.

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Response to jimfields33 (Reply #4)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 12:56 PM

Kingofalldems (36,811 posts)

12. Say what?

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Response to jimfields33 (Reply #4)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 02:06 PM

generalbetrayus (443 posts)

62. Updated? Overhaul?

What it will need is an extended fumigation.

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Response to jimfields33 (Reply #4)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 04:34 PM

pandr32 (9,662 posts)

84. What for?

It is 5 star compared to what other people get. Have you ever been hospitalized? They aren't places of comfort and style.

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Response to pandr32 (Reply #84)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 05:04 PM

jimfields33 (12,148 posts)

86. Take a look at the pictures

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Response to pandr32 (Reply #2)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 12:56 PM

Boomerproud (6,682 posts)

13. His cult believes every word of it.

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Response to Boomerproud (Reply #13)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 04:35 PM

pandr32 (9,662 posts)

85. They do

It is as though their brain cells are in a suspended state.

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Response to Earthshine2 (Original post)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 12:35 PM

Newest Reality (12,712 posts)

5. Humpty Trumpty had a...

You know the rest.

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Response to Earthshine2 (Original post)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 12:36 PM

mucifer (22,098 posts)

6. He speculating. He isn't trumps doctor. He has limited information trump has the most cutting edge

doctors thinking out of the box right now.

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Response to mucifer (Reply #6)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 12:51 PM

Tanuki (14,104 posts)

9. He may have some off-the-record inside information. I would be very

surprised if he hasn't heard a thing or two from highly placed colleagues.

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Response to mucifer (Reply #6)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 12:52 PM

58Sunliner (4,030 posts)

10. He is probably basing his opinion on the protocol for the meds he has been given.

Logical.
https://www.statnews.com/2020/10/04/trump-receiving-dexamethasone-steroid-usually-given-patients-with-severe-covid19/

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Response to 58Sunliner (Reply #10)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 12:54 PM

mucifer (22,098 posts)

11. Doctors don't always use protocol especially in a case like this

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Response to mucifer (Reply #11)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 01:08 PM

Quixote1818 (27,546 posts)

28. They do if the drug can do damage if administered too early. Did you read the article?

Dexamethasone is generally reserved for patients who have serious disease. The National Institutes of Health’s treatment guidelines for Covid-19 say dexamethasone should be used only in hospitalized patients who are on ventilators or who require supplemental oxygen, and specifically “recommends against using dexamethasone for the treatment of Covid-19 in patients who do not require supplemental oxygen.”

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Response to Quixote1818 (Reply #28)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 02:10 PM

Ms. Toad (31,032 posts)

65. He did require supplemental oxygen. n/t

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Response to mucifer (Reply #11)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 01:10 PM

58Sunliner (4,030 posts)

32. Doctors have to justify their drug use-even with covid.

one should not use a drug with known contra-indications for his condition. And that is the big clue here. Dexamethasone, statistically, would be detrimental to a patient in early covid treatment. He/she has a medical license to protect. Unless you want to be sued. Many doctors would not put their practice at risk, especially for a high profile patient.

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Response to 58Sunliner (Reply #32)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 02:24 PM

Quixote1818 (27,546 posts)

68. Exactly as dexamethasone suppresses the immune system. If Trump takes a turn for the worst

now, then they probably would be taken to court for giving him something too early that did more bad than good.

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Response to 58Sunliner (Reply #10)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 02:57 PM

Historic NY (36,508 posts)

73. Clorex and Lysol and a light blub enema are next....

hydroxychloroquine Dr is upset....

[link:https://www.newsweek.com/hydroxychloroquine-doctor-furious-donald-trump-took-experimental-antibody-stupidness-1536161|]

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Response to mucifer (Reply #6)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 01:12 PM

Hortensis (55,128 posts)

36. Some things are VERY obvious to people in the medical field,

and even to anyone who understands the critical difference between, for example, "or" and "and."

Those very good doctors are instructed to try to obfuscate and when that's not possible leave giant holes in their information, all of which they know other professionals treating Covid patients will have no trouble recognizing and inferring a very narrow range of possibilities from. Sometimes only one.

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Response to Earthshine2 (Original post)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 12:44 PM

Stallion (6,426 posts)

8. Can't Wait for Movie!

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Response to Stallion (Reply #8)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 01:05 PM

George II (67,782 posts)

22. It's already been released years ago, in 1989:

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Response to Earthshine2 (Original post)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 12:56 PM

ffr (21,937 posts)

14. Others in the press pool are mirroring the same message, things aren't adding up

tRump on third medicine since Thursday, a steriod that can reduce death in severe cases
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214209399

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Response to Earthshine2 (Original post)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 12:58 PM

NightWatcher (39,343 posts)

16. If he cannot be photo'd sitting up in a chair, possibly speaking, they need to put Pence in

This looks bad for the US. It makes us look weak, like North Korea.

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Response to NightWatcher (Reply #16)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 01:03 PM

Escurumbele (2,768 posts)

20. Sorry but USA looks weak with trump on the chair, and even weaker with Pence

I just hope this incident is true and both trump and Pence need to retire, then we can have President Pelosi and come November Biden can be elected.

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Response to Escurumbele (Reply #20)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 01:28 PM

wnylib (16,591 posts)

46. Move them out of the WH so a HAZMAT team

can sanitize it between Nov 3 and Jan 20, before Biden moves in.

This morning I heard a report on poll numbers on NPR. They said Trump's numbers are below 40 and added the comment that they are at the level that Hoover had in 1932.

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Response to wnylib (Reply #46)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 02:57 PM

panader0 (25,343 posts)

74. I'm sure Joe and Jill will make sure the place is cleaned up.

And the CIA and FBI and NSA can debug the place.

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Response to Earthshine2 (Original post)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 01:00 PM

DallasNE (7,239 posts)

17. Pretty Rotten When Even The Doctors Are Liars n/t

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Response to Earthshine2 (Original post)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 01:02 PM

sarcasmo (22,777 posts)

19. Weekend at Bernie's because it's 2020.

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Response to sarcasmo (Reply #19)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 01:07 PM

BarbD (1,141 posts)

27. The optics, the optics. How long can they prop him up?

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Response to BarbD (Reply #27)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 01:31 PM

wnylib (16,591 posts)

48. They propped up Ronnie for 8 years.

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Response to Earthshine2 (Original post)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 01:06 PM

Gymbo (126 posts)

23. Wait a minute

The Washington Post just said the president could be released by Monday. I call fake on Trump. How do you go to the hospital with covid and then miraculously get released after a weekend?

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Response to Gymbo (Reply #23)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 01:07 PM

George II (67,782 posts)

24. Through "immaculate deception"!

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Response to Gymbo (Reply #23)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 01:08 PM

Peregrine Took (7,244 posts)

30. I bet he is insisting on being released.

Then he can say refer to his hospital stay as a "weekend" only - like no big deal.

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Response to Gymbo (Reply #23)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 01:14 PM

Liberty Belle (9,337 posts)

37. Because the White House has its own doctors and nurses on staff and and a hospital-like setting

Capable of things like administering oxygen and IV medications if needed.

They don't have the sophisticated testing equipment like MRI or CT scan units, as far as I know, and needed to hospitalize him for those sorts of evaluations. Also had he needed a ventilator, a hospital is where he would need to be.

Anybody else would likely not be sent home so soon.

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Response to Liberty Belle (Reply #37)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 01:38 PM

wnylib (16,591 posts)

50. I'm betting that they do not want to release him,

but he is insisting on it for the optics. Just like he initially refused to go into the hospital. He could end up offing himself with his pride and "tough guy" pretensions.

Not to mention that he will still be contagious. Could also relapse from re-exposure to Melania and WH staff.

But, hey, this is America. He gets to choose what he will do

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Response to wnylib (Reply #50)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 02:13 PM

Ms. Toad (31,032 posts)

66. You don't relapse if you aren't over it in the first place.

But the risk to others around him, given that it is abundantly clear how contagious the strain he has acquired is, is significant.

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #66)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 06:33 PM

wnylib (16,591 posts)

89. Meriam Webster on relapse

https://www.meriamwebster.com/dictionary/relapse

2) a recurrence of symptoms of a disease after a period of improvement.

Doesn't say after getting over it, just after improvement.

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Response to wnylib (Reply #89)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 06:35 PM

Ms. Toad (31,032 posts)

90. If that's the definition you want to hang on to -

it would have nothing to do with exposure to anyone else who is positive, since that's not how viruses work.

My comment was based on you connecting the concept of relapse to re-exposure to the virus.

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Response to Liberty Belle (Reply #37)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 01:52 PM

Lasher (25,652 posts)

54. Right, it's not like he would really be going "home."

He would be moved to the White House medical facilities.

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Response to Earthshine2 (Original post)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 01:07 PM

andym (5,215 posts)

25. He probably is both sicker than they say,but has a much better chance at recovery than most

Why? He got the Regeneron treatment which confers a humoral immune response equal to somone who made very high affinity neutralizing antibodies again after three weeks of infection.. That by itself should help immensely.

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Response to andym (Reply #25)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 01:11 PM

Earthshine2 (2,295 posts)

34. But it won't be a total recovery.

What doesn't kill him will still leave him weaker and damaged.

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Response to Earthshine2 (Reply #34)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 02:30 PM

bdamomma (62,058 posts)

69. but I bet

he is stupid enough to have a rally, hmm... now that would be interesting.

He doesn't listen to anyone esp. his Drs. since he is such a stable genius.

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Response to Earthshine2 (Original post)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 01:11 PM

cwydro (48,588 posts)

35. I think so too.

Gupta knows what he’s talking about.

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Response to Earthshine2 (Original post)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 01:14 PM

crimycarny (1,318 posts)

38. Speaking as a hypochondriac -- I think Gupta wrong

More than one acquaintance of Trump has mentioned he is a bit of a hypochondriac and is “ freaking out” right now. My gut feeling, as a hypochondriac myself myself, is that Trump IS symptomatic but they have it under control...just not fast enough for Trump who is scared shitless. It would not surprise me if this third medicine is more a way to make him feel they aren’t leaving any stone unturned.

Frustrates the hell out of me that a man who has no qualms subjecting millions to this same disease, yet without his access to top (and lightening fast) medical care is now a quivering lump of fear demanding all stops be pulled—but will continue his battle to end ACA for the rest of the masses.

One thing he can’t control are long term effects. Even with all his amazing medical care he could have a difficult road back. I hope to hell he does.

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Response to crimycarny (Reply #38)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 01:21 PM

Earthshine2 (2,295 posts)

43. I think both you and Gupta are correct. Both of your educated opinions are completely compatible.

Trump is freaked and making the Drs use everything at their disposal.

Things are worse than they are telling us.

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Response to Earthshine2 (Reply #43)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 01:30 PM

crimycarny (1,318 posts)

47. My only solace is this will take a toll regardless of science

I don’t think it’s wrong to feel satisfaction if Trump suffers long term effects from this. It feels like karma because it’s self inflicted. Trump has gotten away with sooooo much during his Presidency. COVID isn’t something he could bullshit away. Yes, his money and power probably saved his life where others would probably have died, but my hope is that this hits him right where it hurts the most—his fear of looking weak. You don’t “snap back” from something like this even with the best of care. So I think I can be forgiven for hoping he pays for his own recklessness by having a long road back. No energy for rallies, looking weak and tired in public, etc.

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Response to crimycarny (Reply #47)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 02:33 PM

radius777 (3,406 posts)

70. Agree, and he and his rich friends pay no taxes

yet have no problem helping themselves to the best taxpayer funded care - while many regular Americans died alone and went out in body bags.

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Response to crimycarny (Reply #47)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 05:54 PM

Earthshine2 (2,295 posts)

87. "I don't think it's wrong to feel satisfaction if Trump suffers long term effects from this. "

I agree. It's okay to have these types of evil thoughts and feelings as long as one does not act on them.

It is totally natural to feel what you feel -- and I feel the schadenfreude as well.

If he survives, it's probable his lungs and more will be scarred for life.

Peace to you.

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Response to Earthshine2 (Original post)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 01:34 PM

Illumination (2,458 posts)

49. Trump is suffering? That's Karma in action! Absolutely heaven sent!...

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Response to Earthshine2 (Original post)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 01:44 PM

Jon King (1,902 posts)

51. Regeneron has a less than stellar history.

With a MS in Microbiology and an avid follower of pharma companies, I would not automatically think that because Trump got the Regeneron cocktail he has a big advantage. The company has a track record of cherry picking data going back to their previous treatments and little of it so far with the Covid cocktail has been reviewed independently. The Regeneron CEO and his son are Trump supporters and members of one of his golf clubs. Trump's financial disclosure showed large capital gains from Regeneron stock in 2017.

The Regeneron cocktail monoclonal science will likely be a blueprint for great future treatments, but likely is not a miracle in its current form. My hunch is it may just delay the inevitable second wave of virus symptoms that will hit Trump within the next week. The virus replicates and targets various organs over time. The cocktail may just postpone what is coming for Trump. As we learned in virology, viruses are quite resilient and bide their time.

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Response to Jon King (Reply #51)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 02:00 PM

crimycarny (1,318 posts)

58. Very enlightening

Thanks so much for posting. I don’t know much about the science behind monoclonal antibodies and I had no idea about the ties between Regeneron and Trump. Very interesting...

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Response to Jon King (Reply #51)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 02:08 PM

flamingdem (38,841 posts)

63. Interesting, so the worst is yet to come?

What meds are left to try if that's the case?

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Response to Jon King (Reply #51)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 03:02 PM

panader0 (25,343 posts)

75. People like you are one of the reasons I love DU.

There are experts in many fields here.
Great post.

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Response to Earthshine2 (Original post)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 01:58 PM

SheltieLover (54,101 posts)

57. K&R!

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Response to Earthshine2 (Original post)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 02:01 PM

BusyBeingBest (7,188 posts)

59. They're obviously treating him much more aggressively than most of us would

be treated unless we were ready to be intubated--it's hard to say how much of that is his actual condition and how much of that is precaution. You'd have to look at the dangers and side effects of the medications and treatments for someone in his age group and prior health status to really say for sure what's going on. Maybe Gupta knows that the docs weighed the risks of the meds and still thought they had to proceed aggressively because he was deteriorating.

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Response to Earthshine2 (Original post)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 03:15 PM

Warpy (105,814 posts)

77. The silly photo op told the tale

Signing his name with a Sharpie in the middle of a random piece of blank paper, ethernet and USB cords dangling, unplugged, his face not made up and looking a little drawn. The quality was poor so I couldn't tell if he was a little dusky around the edges, but I would imagine he is since he's dumped his O2 sat. twice in the last 24 hours.

he seems to be as ill as I was when I had "preumptive." I'd feel sorry for him but he's done too much to piss me off.

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Response to Earthshine2 (Original post)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 03:22 PM

kwijybo (189 posts)

78. That was obvious from the video Twitler released

I only watch a minute of it, but in that time he gasped for breath a couple of times. He sounded like my father on a very bad day (84M, AFIB, obese, COPD, etc). He will talk (deep breath) like this and (deep breath) this and so on.

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Response to Earthshine2 (Original post)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 03:22 PM

iluvtennis (17,849 posts)

79. Dr Conley is gaslighting us. He said trump is on remdesivir and has had 2 treatments thus far.

He then later said to reporter trump is on a 5 dose remdesivir treatment. So, to me that mean 3 more daily doses which means earliest he would go home would be Wednesday.

Dr Conley is a LIAR just like his boss Don the Con.

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Response to Earthshine2 (Original post)

Mon Oct 5, 2020, 04:04 PM

tblue37 (57,291 posts)

94. One can only hope. nt

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