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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe President is going to show us how easy it is to beat this disease and...
...all you need is a private helicopter, 12 of the best doctors in the world, and every single drug available at a moment's notice.
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mucifer
(25,667 posts)LisaL
(47,423 posts)NT
bigtree
(94,261 posts)...there are numerous case studies, as well as physicians talking today about the 'when and why' about the drugs he's being given.
Apparently he's been given unusually high doses of steroids, and even the experimental cocktail (also known effects) was given at a higher dose. Both drug treatments were not recognized as effective for low rates of infection.
The drug cocktail was said to work better at the lower dose, but Trump got the maximum. The steroid treatment is also indicated to be more effective for sicker patients, and less to counterproductive for mild cases.
LisaL
(47,423 posts)NT
paleotn
(22,211 posts)they gave him the maximum studied dose, which has been shown to be really no more effective than lower doses. Some folks may yell at me again for surmising, but that looks like desperation to me.
GreenPartyVoter
(73,393 posts)Lock him up.
(9,786 posts)Unrepentant Fenian
(1,134 posts)C Moon
(13,642 posts)liberalla
(11,088 posts)then you need more, that higher doses later may be ineffective, not recommended or even dangerous.
Of course, his drug tolerance may be quite high with his drug history... but that may have no bearing on these covid drug therapies.
I imagine him like a drunk at a bar being rude and offensive, demanding more to drink. The good stuff! He knows his limit and how dare you cut him off! Except this is not alcohol.
He would want the newest, the best, the highest dose! Only top shelf drugs -- in gold if possible. And the carefully selected doctors, staff and WH employees will not be able to resist him and eventually acquiesce to his demands.
DallasNE
(8,007 posts)And this is just for mild symptoms.
I forget the name but it looks like they are trying to head off the storm from the immune system that overwhelms the lungs. The two low oxygen bouts are a clear warning on what could happen. These drugs also have side effects that bear watching, especially since he was given maximum doses on a couple of them. So now we wait.
SunSeeker
(58,283 posts)With Covid-19, you have both an infection that you need your immune system at full power to suppress, but in more severe cases, your immune system overreacts, causing a "cytokine storm" that could kill you before the virus would.
Corticosteroids are a double-edged sword. You only give it when the inflammation is more life threatening than the infection. With regard to Covid-19, that would only happen in severe cases, not mild cases.
abakan
(1,996 posts)LymphocyteLover
(9,844 posts)I really don't think he was very healthy to begin with
DownriverDem
(7,014 posts)so long if it is serious. I want trump to make it. We need to defeat him. We don't need him to be a martyr.
Dark n Stormy Knight
(10,484 posts)he deserves to have his ass kicked.
Olafjoy
(937 posts)Ferrets are Cool
(22,956 posts)Under The Radar
(3,431 posts)DBoon
(24,982 posts)sinkingfeeling
(57,834 posts)Quixote1818
(31,155 posts)Newest Reality
(12,712 posts)I am going to predict that he will be on a ventilator in roughly a week or less.
Then, it's just a matter of how long they keep him on it before calling it.
Traildogbob
(13,017 posts)Damnit I am sick of getting my hopes up and then smacked in the face as nothing touches him. Just gonna accept he will ride out of Walter Read on a white stallion, that head thing stiff as a board. Shirt open, no, bare chested like Putin, with Billions of mouth breathers all maskless, screaming and bowing. Then, if he dies, I will be as exited as I was when Dallas got the onside kick, scored and beat Atlanta. I can not withstand another total let down. Four years of shattered hopes. Hope you are correct. I will toast to you Then. Thats my thoughts, and my prayer.
BlueNProud
(1,092 posts)GreenPartyVoter
(73,393 posts)crimycarny
(2,090 posts)I cant unsee that now!!!
LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(13,291 posts)Lock him up.
(9,786 posts)Generic Brad
(14,374 posts)Lock him up.
(9,786 posts)pnwmom
(110,260 posts)Illumination
(2,458 posts)Gothmog
(179,828 posts)abakan
(1,996 posts)Maybe he should stay in the hospital it seems the only place he works.
I guess Walter Reed doesn't have a golf course.
paleotn
(22,211 posts)that his condition is vastly worse than being reported. Per medical folks I know (one is sitting next to me right now) generally one only gets that med if they're on supplemental O2 or a vent.
SunSeeker
(58,283 posts)Corticosteroids are a double-edged sword. They suppress your immune system; that is how they bring down your inflammation. You would not give Dexamethasone for a mild case of Covid-19; it could do more harm than good by suppressing your immune system and blocking it from fighting the virus. It only makes sense when serious symptoms develop, i.e. when your immune system overreacts, causing a cytokine storm. That sort of out of control inflammation produces a pneumonia-like severe congestion in your lungs that could kill you before the virus itself kills you. That is why it is worth the risk to suppress your immune system with a corticosteroid at that point.
C Moon
(13,642 posts)SayItLoud
(1,774 posts)doesn't make you well. Just like Covid-19 is just like a flu.
Traildogbob
(13,017 posts)Will pay his entire bill. I copay, no out of pocket, zero. Tax payers will pay the astronomical costs of all his expenses. How far will his $750 go on that costs. And after all this, he is gonna destroy health insurance for those tax payers that covered his cost. MAGA. We are fucking great. Being Best.
Yeehah
(6,482 posts)What kind of ruinous medical bill would an average American get for this treatment?
ecstatic
(35,075 posts)He's still pushing his open the economy b*******, without doing a m************ thing to help businesses reopen.
Sorry, my speech to text removes curses. Lol