Dr Vin Gupta: use of dexamethasone, Remdesivir, antibody cocktail means COVID Pneumonia

[flamingdem]

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Vin Gupta “

@VinGuptaMD

You don’t start dexamethasone, Remdesivir and given an experimental antibody cocktail to the President in the setting of low oxygen “dips” unless there’s COVID Pneumonia.

What did his chest imaging show? The American people deserve basic information on their President

[underpants]

1. Just getting here. I thought I saw a headline about him leaving tomorrow

[ancianita]

5. I did, too.

[Hugin]

7. Not necessarily.

You missed 'not necessarily' as today's pseudo-legalistic-medical terminology.

I'm trying to use it three times so that I too may become an expert.

[Tanuki]

19. No, that was a weasel statement, meant to misdirect.

Parse the words:

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/live-updates/president-trump-covid-19-positive-test-latest-news-2020-10-04/

"If he continues to look and feel as well as he does today, our hope is that we can plan for a discharge as early as tomorrow to the White House where he can continue his treatment course," said Dr. Brian Garibaldi of Johns Hopkins University, who is consulting the president's medical treatment."....(more)

There's a whole lot of wiggle room in all of that "if", "our hope", "plan," and "as early" as b.s.

[OnDoutside]

20. Unless he meant it was going to be in a box ?

[OMGWTF]

57. + 1000

[LiberalFighter]

58. So they need to build a box big enough for him to fit in.

[KS Toronado]

63. No, we all ready have some large enough, they're called DUMPSTERS.

[OnDoutside]

69. Like this ?

[KS Toronado]

73. That's perfect! LOL

[jmowreader]

72. Just stick him in a refrigerator box.

[dchill]

66. Gift-boxed!

[wnylib]

74. And ship it to Putin.

[Historic NY]

41. So is the WH equipped to isolate him?

[Grins]

67. And then go into quarantine for 2-weeks? NM

[RobinA]

71. I Work For Government

and am used to weasel language and that's impressive even to me.

[TheBlackAdder]

26. Everything is money: Is this to patch the markets for a stock sell-off before an announcement?

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Waiting for early morning stock market opens to reposition before the real announcement is made.


Now, those blank signature forms. It could be just theater.

It could also be blank signatures to be applied to forms while he is alive but incapacitated.

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[luvtheGWN]

37. Apparently he refused to go into hospital

on Friday afternoon until after the markets closed.

And as a side note: The Dow rose 300 points on hearing that Biden tested negative.

[certainot]

40. good point about stock market

[iluvtennis]

50. stock market, stock market,stock market - so tired of this BS. nt

[Schmice3]

34. yeah, toes up. n/t

[wishstar]

44. Bet he requested the docs say that to keep markets from tanking tonight into tomorrow am

Docs didn't say it was definite, just that they hoped he would be able to return to WH tomorrow.

They painted a rosy scenario even though this combination of antibody cocktail, remdesivir and dexamethasone are used only for critically ill only in hospital settings and indicate he has pneumonia and inflammation.

[underpants]

54. I've seen that comment before but he would have had it say it for HIM

Markets schmarkets. He only cares about himself and he really cares when he realized that death may not be at the door but it’s in the neighborhood.

[Boogiemack]

2. Good luck with that.. nt

[no_hypocrisy]

3. I believe that the doctors are deliberately being cryptic with their message.

They won't come out and state that Trump is more than moderately sick and is being treated for Covid Pneumonia. Instead they tell us that Trump's been treated with an "antibody cocktail," Remdesivir, and a steroid and we connect the dots. IOW, the doctors really aren't being elusive. They are leaving us clues.

[LisaL]

4. Trump could very well have pneumonia, but when

Hillary had pneumonia in 2016, she wasn't even at the hospital.

[flamingdem]

10. The karma of attacking Hillary for pneumonia is coming back to

Trump. Possibly bigly. I'm sure he's aware of the irony..

[roamer65]

6. Viral pneumonia is much nastier than bacterial.

No antibiotics will work.

[OMGWTF]

59. My then 39-year-old husband got viral pneumonia, it attacked his heart and he died 9 mo later.

[roamer65]

60. Similar to COVID, it must have caused myocarditis.

Sorry about your loss.

[Wellstone ruled]

8. Our Daughter just mentioned what

Gupta was saying. She is on the front lines daily with vulnerable Adults whom are Covid Positive as well as Hospitalized. Her statement a few minutes ago was,how the hell are they trying to fool. If Trump has been given all of these Meds,he is either headed for ICU or someone is playing a serious hoax.

[mnhtnbb]

11. Or, Trump is bullying the docs to give him

everything and they won't tell him no even if it may not be appropriate for his particular situation.

[Wellstone ruled]

12. His Verbal ability

may be in question.

[Midnight Writer]

29. That was my thought. Why would he follow a doctor's advice? He knows more than any of them.

After all, he had an uncle that taught at MIT.

He's broken every rule in the past. I can picture the man we saw at the debate screaming at the doctors for more drugs.

And what is the doctor to do? He has to consider that if Trump dies under his care, and it is revealed the doctor refused to give the President medicine he was asking for, then he is up the creek.

[luvtheGWN]

39. All the docs at Walter Reed are military.

Will they go against their Commander-in-Chief?

[James48]

51. Good point.

I hadn’t thought about that, but if your Commander in Chief orders you to give him more drugs, can you legally say no?

I’d say that unless you knew for a fact that the drug would kill him, you are obligated to provide it. M

[patphil]

55. I'm not sure they would either.

First, they take an oath as a doctor to do no harm.

Second, Trump isn't qualified to prescribe himself.

Third, a military doctor could easily construe any directive of this sort as an illegal order, which doesn't need to be followed.

Fourth, any doctor that allow his/her patient to direct treatment, especially in a life-threatening situation, would have their license taken, and may be liable for criminal prosecution if the patient were injured or died from such treatment.

Fifth, I don't think Trump's mental processes are all that good right now...worse than usual.

I seriously doubt Trump could successfully bully them.

[Deacon Blue]

61. Defenses Under UCMJ

It is a defense to a charge of failing to follow orders if the order requires you to perform an illegal act (the SS was simply following orders...). It is illegal to follow an illegal order as well.

Prescribing some drugs in the absence of medical necessity (opioids and benzos come to mind, like a pill mill) is illegal. Not sure how that would work in the context of medical ethics (prescribing untested or questionable treatment, like hydrochloriquine [sp?] say) at the insistence of a patient.

[luvtheGWN]

64. Likewise, they will only tell the public

what he wants them to tell -- whether or not it's the truth.

[abqtommy]

9. Yes, better information concerning our President would be good. But we don't have a

President, we have tRUMP!

[WSHazel]

13. This is not Day 3 or Day 4 of this illness

We are likely in Day 7 to 12. The doctors would not be throwing the kitchen sink at this if we were early in the illness. Trump likely knew he had it last weekend.

[flamingdem]

15. I wonder if he thought about infecting Joe

Did he ever walk closer to him?

Melania knows..

She was the only one wearing a mask for some time at the debate.

[LiberalFighter]

62. If the doctor knew he had it then. What does that say about him?

[ananda]

16. Agree.

He clearly already had it during the debate Tuesday.

[OnDoutside]

22. Remember they arrived too late to be tested, and he had a sweaty face during it ?

[zorbasd]

32. I believe you're correct, he had it, and knew about it 4 days before the "official"

which makes the Trump Regime evil to the core. He is the Superspreader.
They thought they would get away with it, because he was asymptomatic when he was tested postive, the day they are keeping super secret.

[Laffy Kat]

14. Didn't the physician say they may start talking about discharge plans tomorrow?

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"Start talking about plans" and actually discharging him can be very different events. I know I'm splitting hairs, but it would be a way to placate 45, while at the same time, remain opaque. Nuance is everything with these people.

[flamingdem]

17. They have many of the bells and whistles of hospital care at the White House

For appearances he can recover there and still be on oxygen and still have pneumonia. At least those around him will finally wear masks!

[Laffy Kat]

23. Maybe, but the Remdesivir treatment is a five-day regimen and is given by infusion.

It's also experimental and could have side-effects. I can't imagine they'd administer that outside of a hospital. Plus, 45 is at an increased risk for clots, strokes, and heart complications. It doesn't seem right to me that they would release him this soon. I don't get it.

[flamingdem]

25. Aha. Then he'll stay for those five days plus

Plenty of co-morbidities to consider.

[Mr.Bill]

46. My wife is a retired RN and discharge planner.

You start planning someone's discharge as soon as they are admitted. It doesn't always happen as planned, but it's a matter of setting goals and managing the hospital census and bed availability. There is never a time when there is not a plan for discharging any admitted patient.

[Mariana]

65. Yeah.

There were lots of weasel words in that statement, and they shouldn't be forgotten.

[Quixote1818]

18. This is what the doctor on MSNBC said too. You don't give dexamethasone early because it suppresses

the immune system so it's reserved for people who are very sick to prevent a cytokine storm.

[Ms. Toad]

28. That's an interesting question -

The experimental MAB he was given works best before the body's immune system kicks in - so theoretically dexamathasone in combinatoin with the MAB early may enhance the impact of the MAB by suppressing the natural immune response.

[scipan]

75. Very good point!

It would indicate that the virus is mostly/ completely gone.

[JCMach1]

21. Absolutely correct. That's the mix I had for my Covid Pneumonia

[flamingdem]

24. Glad you're better! Can you share what day of the illness drugs were started

and how long it took for them to control the pneumonia?

[MLAA]

35. So glad you are better. 💕 Do you have any remaining remnants of the disease?

[Illumination]

27. All this GREAT NEWS could create lots of partying even if he's not dead...just the fact he's

suffering is enough...

[SleeplessinSoCal]

30. Given that markets rule, we won't get the truth. n/t

[Hekate]

31. Dr Vin Gupta is a reliable source for medical info, so I'm going with that

[zorbasd]

36. Yeah, Dr. Vin Gupta

is wicked smart...much better than the other Gupta.

[TexasBushwhacker]

42. And he's a pulmonary specialist n/t

[C Moon]

33. He's not our president. He wasn't legally elected.

And he was impeached. The traitors in the senate should be ousted, as well.
I have NEVER used the word President before that awful traitorous name.

[ancianita]

43. Right. He's the WH occupant who's pulling out all the stops to stay out of prison.

[Orrex]

38. His chest imaging would show a small and sputtering cinder where a human's heart would be

And probably lungs full of pureed alveoli.

[KewlKat]

45. Would be nice for the nation to have transparency on the health of the orange mango.

[Mr.Bill]

47. Unfortunately our country

has a long history of doing just the opposite.

[StevieM]

48. Four years ago he mocked Hillary when she had walking pneumonia. (eom)

[Roland99]

49. Wow

[Botany]

52. "They" gave Trump a steroid that depresses the immune system response and what does the body's ...

... immune system response to C-19 cause? A build up of fluid in the lungs.

[Sloumeau]

53. COVID Pneumonia normal recovery time is 3-6 weeks

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&sxsrf=ALeKk01AZYMSoAs0OGSNsRT4Uh2TvccsKw%3A1601844289596&ei=QTR6X7L3I_q90PEPtNOlyA0&q=covid+pneumonia+recovery+time&oq=covid+pneumonia+recovery+time&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzICCAAyAggAMgIIADICCAAyBggAEBYQHjIGCAAQFhAeMgYIABAWEB4yBggAEBYQHjIGCAAQFhAeMgYIABAWEB46BAgjECc6BwgAEBQQhwI6CAgAELEDEIMBOgUIABCxAzoECAAQQzoFCCEQoAFQihJYwiNgwytoAXAAeACAAe0CiAH3FZIBBzMuOC4zLjKYAQCgAQGqAQdnd3Mtd2l6wAEB&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwjym_f-5pvsAhX6HjQIHbRpCdkQ4dUDCAw&uact=5

Recovery Time: 3-6 weeks
Symptoms: Severe disease can cause pneumonia. About 50% will have shortness of breath and low oxygen levels due to shortness of breath. Most patients will have a fever, feel very tired and have a dry cough. To recover you will be in the hospital for a few days.

Trump is pretty much done with campaigning.

[eppur_se_muova]

56. Probably revealed a huge black hole where his heart should be. nt

[uponit7771]

68. K&R,

[Ilsa]

70. Dr. Vin Gupta is a pulmonologist.

He probably has this all figured out. I trust his opinion.