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Jirel

(2,018 posts)
Sun Oct 4, 2020, 04:52 PM Oct 2020

Whoa. Pro-life evangelicals endorse Biden.

A group of anti-abortion evangelicals on Friday endorsed Joe Biden, saying that in areas other than abortion, the former vice president is more "pro-life" than President Trump.

"We believe that on balance, Joe Biden’s policies are more consistent with the biblically shaped ethic of life than those of Donald Trump," the group said in a statement. "Therefore, even as we continue to urge different policies on abortion, we urge evangelicals to elect Joe Biden as president."

The group, which includes several pastors formerly involved in Republican politics, former Christianity Today chairman John Huffman, and Jerushah Duford, the granddaughter of conservative evangelical leader Billy Graham, emphasized that while they remain opposed to abortion, Democratic policy proposals, such as "accessible health services for all citizens, affordable childcare, a minimum wage that lifts workers out of poverty" will reduce the number of abortions.


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Whoa. Pro-life evangelicals endorse Biden. (Original Post) Jirel Oct 2020 OP
Pigs are flying wryter2000 Oct 2020 #1
Ummm-ber-elllas! Get yer umbrelas here! JHB Oct 2020 #5
.. roamer65 Oct 2020 #6
The mercury in hell says it's 30 degrees. n/t Laelth Oct 2020 #9
With Barrett confirmed DownriverDem Oct 2020 #31
OMG. roamer65 Oct 2020 #2
I saw a yard sign today in Nashville that said 'REPUBLICANS FOR BIDEN' spanone Oct 2020 #3
Wonder if Democrats should put up 'REPUBLICANS FOR BIDEN' signs in our yards. KS Toronado Oct 2020 #15
Wow. Affordable healthcare and decent wages beating out Lucky Luciano Oct 2020 #4
even the WP used "anti-abortion" barbtries Oct 2020 #7
Indeed. They are very much NOT pro life.... paleotn Oct 2020 #19
Exactly! mountain grammy Oct 2020 #20
Forced Birthers Major Nikon Oct 2020 #33
Wow! Never thought I'd see this happen. NoRoadUntravelled Oct 2020 #8
A group of how many - 10?? There are 70+million catholics in US onetexan Oct 2020 #10
And not all follow the church's teaching... paleotn Oct 2020 #21
I think the reason for this is they need the crowds to fill their collection plates JI7 Oct 2020 #11
Whoa is right! Some Evangelicals who are into Cha Oct 2020 #12
With all due respect... regnaD kciN Oct 2020 #13
These are probably the same few who voted for Hillary last time. nt. Mariana Oct 2020 #37
Wow, FINALLY, MAYBE, they are starting to see the light and starting to come around a little mtnsnake Oct 2020 #14
My own pro-life, very right-wing evangelical sister switched to Biden Silent3 Oct 2020 #16
Wow, I'm really impressed with your sister. It sounds like she really thought things through Crunchy Frog Oct 2020 #27
Yes, I hope it's not just a fluke bit of anecdotal data... Silent3 Oct 2020 #28
I always wondered why Sgent Oct 2020 #38
Abortion was effectively illegal throughout the US starting in 1873... Silent3 Oct 2020 #39
Well, if you think about it Planned Parenthood is pro-life in the sincerest way: CTyankee Oct 2020 #42
So some of them DO have brains. mwb970 Oct 2020 #17
Some even voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016. Mariana Oct 2020 #36
This pro-choice feminist also endorses Biden. Kath2 Oct 2020 #18
*Cough* Cough* Soph0571 Oct 2020 #22
There's Too Much Hysteria Over Abortion, and Not Enough Attention Paid to Abortion Prevention. panfluteman Oct 2020 #23
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2020 #24
Amy Barrett will soon make this issue much less important for evangelicals andym Oct 2020 #25
if true, here are some evangelicals that believe in some of the teachings of Christ instead of the samsingh Oct 2020 #26
A well, thought out assessment of PRO-LIFE policies. Good for them. Missn-Hitch Oct 2020 #29
This is exactly Upthevibe Oct 2020 #30
ByeDon! Nt BootinUp Oct 2020 #32
about time some of the ultra religous wake up mysteryowl Oct 2020 #34
19% of white Evangelical Christian voters went for Hillary in 2016. Mariana Oct 2020 #35
But Donnie held a bible up in the air! Blue Owl Oct 2020 #40
The Democratic Party would do itself a big favor with... WyattKansas Oct 2020 #41
K&R MustLoveBeagles Oct 2020 #43

DownriverDem

(6,228 posts)
31. With Barrett confirmed
Sun Oct 4, 2020, 07:04 PM
Oct 2020

anti abortion folks won't need the repub party. I wondered if something like this would happen.

KS Toronado

(17,199 posts)
15. Wonder if Democrats should put up 'REPUBLICANS FOR BIDEN' signs in our yards.
Sun Oct 4, 2020, 05:36 PM
Oct 2020

Making repugs question why a repug would vote for Biden, and maybe question why they plan on voting for tRump when other repugs are jumping ship. Think I'll make one, live in a very red town where they hate libtards.

paleotn

(17,911 posts)
19. Indeed. They are very much NOT pro life....
Sun Oct 4, 2020, 06:08 PM
Oct 2020

About of as pro life as Fred Waterford in The Handmaid's Tale.

paleotn

(17,911 posts)
21. And not all follow the church's teaching...
Sun Oct 4, 2020, 06:13 PM
Oct 2020

on birth control or abortion. These people, however, are protestant evangelicals. There's at least as many of them as Catholics, and they tend to be more homogeneous in their orthodoxy. Cracks in that wall are surprising.

JI7

(89,247 posts)
11. I think the reason for this is they need the crowds to fill their collection plates
Sun Oct 4, 2020, 04:59 PM
Oct 2020

but each votes counts the same so if these are votes Biden actually gets which would have been considered solid red before then it's good for us.

regnaD kciN

(26,044 posts)
13. With all due respect...
Sun Oct 4, 2020, 05:01 PM
Oct 2020

...I suspect this is a tiny, tiny subset of evangelicals and, for the overwhelming majority, “pro-life” remains restricted to “outlawing abortion”; this the only permissible “Christian” vote will be to re-elect Trump.

mtnsnake

(22,236 posts)
14. Wow, FINALLY, MAYBE, they are starting to see the light and starting to come around a little
Sun Oct 4, 2020, 05:16 PM
Oct 2020

at least some of the more sensible ones anyway

Silent3

(15,204 posts)
16. My own pro-life, very right-wing evangelical sister switched to Biden
Sun Oct 4, 2020, 05:44 PM
Oct 2020

It wasn't a direct switch. Sometime back in May she shocked me by saying she'd given up on Trump (not long after staunchly defending him about the injecting bleach craziness). It was the way Trump was encouraging anti-masking, anti-shutdown protests back then that was the final straw for her.

At that time she still was very anti-Democratic, and said she'd vote Libertarian or someone else, but not Biden.

Then somewhere along the line over the next few months, I don't know when, she'd gone all the way over to Biden. She'd even posted an article on her Facebook page about how Christians should feel OK voting for Democrats, and expressing disgust over Republicans manipulating Christians with the abortion issue.

Crunchy Frog

(26,579 posts)
27. Wow, I'm really impressed with your sister. It sounds like she really thought things through
Sun Oct 4, 2020, 06:33 PM
Oct 2020

and thoroughly reevaluated things. I hope that others are going through a similar process.

Sgent

(5,857 posts)
38. I always wondered why
Sun Oct 4, 2020, 10:00 PM
Oct 2020

Evangelicals took their theology on abortion from the Pope. Catholicism is the only major religion that until the 1950's believed that a fetus was "ensouled" at conception, and protestants generally took a different view. Jews believe that a child is "ensouled" at first breath and the time between 40 days and birth the fetus is a potential life, but never given the status of an actual life if the mother is in danger.

Silent3

(15,204 posts)
39. Abortion was effectively illegal throughout the US starting in 1873...
Sun Oct 4, 2020, 10:22 PM
Oct 2020

...according to this article: https://news.osu.edu/a-concise-history-of-the-us-abortion-debate/

...with the movement against abortions leading up to that starting in the mid 1800s.

Catholic teachings about ensoulment or not, I'd guess that abortion has long been viewed as a way to hide "immoral" conduct... and we can't have that! Using forced birth as a punishment for daring to have unsanctioned sex seems pretty twisted to me, but somewhere inside a lot of people, apparently, that sentiment is lurking. And it seems all too typical that the woman is the one who supposedly deserves the most punishment for it.

I imagine a few anti-abortionists really do care about embryos and fetuses as if they deserve the full status of legal and moral personhood, but given how many anti-abortion people are pro-war, pro-death penalty, pro-nearly-unregulated police use of lethal force, and don't give a damn about health care for everyone, it's hard to give many credit for any supposed moral high ground.

I don't think it was all that big of a partisan issue, however, or even super-important among many religious people in the US, until Republicans decided to cultivate it as a wedge issue.

CTyankee

(63,903 posts)
42. Well, if you think about it Planned Parenthood is pro-life in the sincerest way:
Mon Oct 5, 2020, 01:33 PM
Oct 2020

we can differ religiously about when life starts, but we can also prevent unwanted pregnancies through expanded access to contraception.

These things are not hard to figure out if you are sane and open to factual information.

panfluteman

(2,065 posts)
23. There's Too Much Hysteria Over Abortion, and Not Enough Attention Paid to Abortion Prevention.
Sun Oct 4, 2020, 06:16 PM
Oct 2020

If every expectant mother to be could be sure of a sufficient social safety net to take care of the child, there would be a lot fewer abortions.

Response to Jirel (Original post)

andym

(5,443 posts)
25. Amy Barrett will soon make this issue much less important for evangelicals
Sun Oct 4, 2020, 06:26 PM
Oct 2020

as she is almost certain to repeal Roe v Wade.

samsingh

(17,595 posts)
26. if true, here are some evangelicals that believe in some of the teachings of Christ instead of the
Sun Oct 4, 2020, 06:26 PM
Oct 2020

majority that don't understand or care about the 10 Commandments.

Missn-Hitch

(1,383 posts)
29. A well, thought out assessment of PRO-LIFE policies. Good for them.
Sun Oct 4, 2020, 06:37 PM
Oct 2020

It will get a dozen or so folks to vote for Biden. LOL!!

Upthevibe

(8,038 posts)
30. This is exactly
Sun Oct 4, 2020, 06:43 PM
Oct 2020

what Elizabeth Neumann and Olivia Troye have been saying. They're the two (Christian) Republicans who left the current administration. They have stated that he's not pro-life at all based on his actions regarding COVID19 and the separation of families at the border...

Mariana

(14,854 posts)
35. 19% of white Evangelical Christian voters went for Hillary in 2016.
Sun Oct 4, 2020, 07:52 PM
Oct 2020

It's not really surprising that a few white Evangelicals would endorse Biden.

WyattKansas

(1,648 posts)
41. The Democratic Party would do itself a big favor with...
Mon Oct 5, 2020, 01:29 PM
Oct 2020

Always dumping back in Republicans laps how abortion rates are effected by poverty rates and the well being of the middle and lower classes.

The Democratic Party actually annihilates all Republican policies and attacks, if they would just throw the facts back at them.

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