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EleanorR

(2,440 posts)
Mon Oct 5, 2020, 09:57 AM Oct 2020

Trump campaign is contacting local election offices, telling them to ignore states' election laws




RALEIGH, N.C. (AP) — When Donald Trump’s campaign took issue with a new rule on processing some votes in North Carolina, it didn’t just complain to the Board of Elections and file a lawsuit. It wrote to some of the state’s 100 local election offices with extraordinary guidance: Ignore that rule.

“The NC Republican Party advises you to not follow the procedures,” Trump campaign operative Heather Ford wrote in an email to county officials last week.

The email urging defiance was a small glimpse at the unusually aggressive, hyperlocal legal strategy the Trump campaign is activating as voting begins. Through threatening letters, lawsuits, viral videos and presidential misinformation, the campaign and its GOP allies are going to new lengths to contest election procedures county-by-county across battleground states.
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Trump campaign is contacting local election offices, telling them to ignore states' election laws (Original Post) EleanorR Oct 2020 OP
This is why all the "Trump is *done for*" comments are ridiculous durablend Oct 2020 #1
This must be criminal interference in voting. bullimiami Oct 2020 #2
Yeah. But who do you complain to. The DOJ and Barr DLCWIdem Oct 2020 #4
Right, Welcome to Russia njhoneybadger Oct 2020 #8
Dosvidanya tovarich. Comrades standing by to take your call. Please wait while we start recording.nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2020 #11
Breaking state laws is a state crime. Salviati Oct 2020 #19
Complain to the NC Attorney General dansolo Oct 2020 #20
+1 ancianita Oct 2020 #22
UN election monitors, NOW! n/t Karma13612 Oct 2020 #10
EU was going to send hundreds...but becasue of COVID now only a handful. Tommymac Oct 2020 #24
Yea I read that somewhere awhile back. Karma13612 Oct 2020 #29
Agreed. And myriad other violations of those state's criminal codes. benfranklin1776 Oct 2020 #12
NCAG should inform them violation of law means prosecution. Do poll workers have to take an oath? bullimiami Oct 2020 #14
Good idea. benfranklin1776 Oct 2020 #15
From the alleged law and order president Sanity Claws Oct 2020 #3
He's only the "law and order" president if he makes up the laws and gives the orders. nt woodsprite Oct 2020 #6
Watch the red state governors, his crooks waiting to help him. BeckyDem Oct 2020 #5
Very important report. Mike 03 Oct 2020 #7
This right here is the reason why I think Karma13612 Oct 2020 #9
Another reason to go to the polls. Those votes are counted automatically. oldsoftie Oct 2020 #13
Another reason to not go to the polls scipan Oct 2020 #23
But he's going to try to stop the counting if he's ahead. I want him to lose 11/4-5 oldsoftie Oct 2020 #31
the biggest swing state (TExas) starts counting ballots as they start arriving yellowdogintexas Oct 2020 #34
treason. pure and simple. ihas2stinkyfeet Oct 2020 #16
Why expect anything less?? The tRump family knows their fate is not a good one if the NoMoreRepugs Oct 2020 #17
They may also use a 2nd wave (which is showing itself more every day) to introduce further chaos Chakaconcarne Oct 2020 #18
Where Is The Legal Basis For Any Of This DallasNE Oct 2020 #21
Can anyone stop them? Will anybody try? Crunchy Frog Oct 2020 #25
I'm not defending them, but intheflow Oct 2020 #32
I Could See Your Point DallasNE Oct 2020 #33
Of course! Everything out of this admin is spin. intheflow Oct 2020 #37
So if an illegitimate electoral process produces an illegitimate president, what do we do then? Crunchy Frog Oct 2020 #26
It's called 'stealing an election' spanone Oct 2020 #27
the "law and order" president BainsBane Oct 2020 #28
Barry Richard, who represented GWB in Florida 2000: "generalized strategy to suppress the vote" muriel_volestrangler Oct 2020 #30
Obama won North Carolina so they're afraid Biden will too IronLionZion Oct 2020 #35
their electioin obstruction starts w/rw talk radio and 4 NC unis support 16 limbaugh stations certainot Oct 2020 #36

durablend

(9,250 posts)
1. This is why all the "Trump is *done for*" comments are ridiculous
Mon Oct 5, 2020, 09:59 AM
Oct 2020

The lawsuits and cheating are going to be epic.

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
11. Dosvidanya tovarich. Comrades standing by to take your call. Please wait while we start recording.nt
Mon Oct 5, 2020, 10:19 AM
Oct 2020

Salviati

(6,059 posts)
19. Breaking state laws is a state crime.
Mon Oct 5, 2020, 01:30 PM
Oct 2020

A presidential pardon isn't going to help you against those charges.

Tommymac

(7,334 posts)
24. EU was going to send hundreds...but becasue of COVID now only a handful.
Mon Oct 5, 2020, 04:39 PM
Oct 2020

WE are on our own.

And WE are going to overcome.

GOTV and Vote Joe & Kamala

Karma13612

(4,981 posts)
29. Yea I read that somewhere awhile back.
Mon Oct 5, 2020, 05:46 PM
Oct 2020

Darn it.

But I agree that we are going to be strong and prevail.

benfranklin1776

(7,015 posts)
12. Agreed. And myriad other violations of those state's criminal codes.
Mon Oct 5, 2020, 11:20 AM
Oct 2020

So this criminality needs referred immediately to those state’s attorney generals or the local district attorneys for prosecution. Their wanton lawbreaking interfering with the people’s most sacred right paid for by the blood and sacrifice of millions demands the harshest punishment the law allows.

bullimiami

(14,075 posts)
14. NCAG should inform them violation of law means prosecution. Do poll workers have to take an oath?
Mon Oct 5, 2020, 11:38 AM
Oct 2020

benfranklin1776

(7,015 posts)
15. Good idea.
Mon Oct 5, 2020, 11:51 AM
Oct 2020

Yes my understanding is that some official poll workers, i.e, judges of elections who act in a quasi judicial capacity, do take an oath yes. But the requirements vary by position and state. However adherence to election laws, and the legal duties of those officials and campaign functionaries is spelled out in the election laws of every state and every state imposes penalties for those that flout them; so no matter what the state there are ample state legal remedies to address such illegalities. Hence, a warning like you propose followed by some high profile prosecutions should operate to deter those who are cavalierly violating the law. They need to be made to realize they’ll be paying the heavy personal price long after their psychopathic leader is gone.

Mike 03

(18,690 posts)
7. Very important report.
Mon Oct 5, 2020, 10:08 AM
Oct 2020
Wisconsin state elections officials have already warned the Trump campaign off once after it sent a survey to local elections offices asking for details on procedures. Such surveys can help find issues to be litigated — but they also are a way for campaigns to make connections with local election officials who will help determine their success. The Trump campaign noted that such surveys are standard and also sent by Democrats.

Rick Hasen, a law professor at the University of California, Irvine who has been a frequent critic of Trump’s approach to voting, said there’s a difference between campaigns talking to election offices and trying to pressure them.


Karma13612

(4,981 posts)
9. This right here is the reason why I think
Mon Oct 5, 2020, 10:10 AM
Oct 2020

The UN Election Monitoring team should rethink their strategy of minimizing how many watchers they send.

Wasn’t it reported that they scaled back due to COVID and because we basically said we didn’t want them?

I want them, the voters want them, we need them.

This could really be a disaster if allowed to multiply to more states and more districts across the country.
Sorry but I can’t be calm hearing about this.

 

oldsoftie

(13,538 posts)
13. Another reason to go to the polls. Those votes are counted automatically.
Mon Oct 5, 2020, 11:33 AM
Oct 2020

If most are able to do that, I think he loses ON election night & there wont be any of this "Stop the counting" bullshit

scipan

(3,035 posts)
23. Another reason to not go to the polls
Mon Oct 5, 2020, 04:12 PM
Oct 2020

There's a reason why Trump is concentrating on mail in/ drop off ballots. Paper backup. Maybe if your polling place uses paper ballots it's okay, but I wouldn't trust those electronic machines. In 2016 Putin reportedly held back on doing everything they could, i.e., changing the count. Not this time.

 

oldsoftie

(13,538 posts)
31. But he's going to try to stop the counting if he's ahead. I want him to lose 11/4-5
Mon Oct 5, 2020, 08:07 PM
Oct 2020

I want to see him reverse his BS & start screaming "Not all the ballots have been counted!!"

yellowdogintexas

(23,693 posts)
34. the biggest swing state (TExas) starts counting ballots as they start arriving
Tue Oct 6, 2020, 01:16 AM
Oct 2020

The only ones which should be remaining for the Ballot Board to review will be the ones which arrive Nov 3 before 7:00 pm.

Counties with 100000 or fewer total population have to wait until early voting ends before beginning their count. That is still 3 full days plus Election Day to get it done - early voting ends Oct 30 .

The early vote (both in person and by mail) combined will be that first big number that pops up after the polls close.

NoMoreRepugs

(12,051 posts)
17. Why expect anything less?? The tRump family knows their fate is not a good one if the
Mon Oct 5, 2020, 11:58 AM
Oct 2020

donald loses the election. Hence, WHATEVER has to be done or said to influence the election will happen.

Chakaconcarne

(2,783 posts)
18. They may also use a 2nd wave (which is showing itself more every day) to introduce further chaos
Mon Oct 5, 2020, 01:27 PM
Oct 2020

and of course it will be happening in blue states who will be more inclined to shut down and mail in voting in the courts.

DallasNE

(8,002 posts)
21. Where Is The Legal Basis For Any Of This
Mon Oct 5, 2020, 01:46 PM
Oct 2020

Why not just ask for a cease and desist order against Trump people. There is no federal issue here.

intheflow

(30,166 posts)
32. I'm not defending them, but
Mon Oct 5, 2020, 11:45 PM
Oct 2020

I think this could be interpreted as civil disobedience. Or at least, some variation on that theme could be their argument.

DallasNE

(8,002 posts)
33. I Could See Your Point
Tue Oct 6, 2020, 12:44 AM
Oct 2020

If people were independently gumming up the works but that is not what is happening here. Here people are being ordered to gum up the works under the authority of the Trump campaign. They don't have that authority. Not even close. This is pure Fascist.

intheflow

(30,166 posts)
37. Of course! Everything out of this admin is spin.
Tue Oct 6, 2020, 09:53 AM
Oct 2020

But they're really good at double-speak & gaslighting, such as the prevailing beliefs that the Tea Party was a grass roots movement instead of astroturf, and that Trump was elected instead of selected, or even that Trump was a successful business man. It's not what makes sense, it's how they can twist concepts to fit their own perverse ends. That's why I think they'll claim civil disobedience, at a federal level.

Crunchy Frog

(28,271 posts)
26. So if an illegitimate electoral process produces an illegitimate president, what do we do then?
Mon Oct 5, 2020, 04:51 PM
Oct 2020

Especially if the rule of law is no longer in effect?

muriel_volestrangler

(106,155 posts)
30. Barry Richard, who represented GWB in Florida 2000: "generalized strategy to suppress the vote"
Mon Oct 5, 2020, 05:52 PM
Oct 2020

Fuck, when a Republican operative is calling this out, it's bad:

“It’s clearly based on an overall strategy to disrupt the election as much as possible,” said Barry Richard, who represented President George W. Bush’s campaign in the 2000 Florida recount. “You’re really seeing a broad-based, generalized strategy to suppress the vote by the Republican Party.”

IronLionZion

(51,205 posts)
35. Obama won North Carolina so they're afraid Biden will too
Tue Oct 6, 2020, 09:30 AM
Oct 2020

GOP are shameless. They obviously think Dem votes matter even in previously red states. NC has had demographic changes and a very competitive Senate race this year.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
36. their electioin obstruction starts w/rw talk radio and 4 NC unis support 16 limbaugh stations
Tue Oct 6, 2020, 09:48 AM
Oct 2020

from fakenewsradio.org - NORTH CAROLINA 16 North Carolina 8, North Carolina State 3, Duke 3, East Carolina 2

those stations depend on those sports broadcasting associations to attract advertisers

the coming voter fraud/obstruction will be coordinated through those stations - they can't do it through fox stations - every event favoring their efforts will be locally blown up to intimidate election officials and incite armed 'poll watchers' - dittoheads - to stop counting and recounting etc

the republicans are using the athletes on those teams to help pay for all that

and those 16 are just a few of the 260 limbaugh stations across the country that depend on 87 universities to keep supporting trump and racism and global warming denial

it's fucking ridiculous

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