Here's what no one is brave enough to say

[malaise]

If he has Covid-19 and has the lung issues they are dancing around and if he is really taking all those medications, it is distinctly possible that he could be dead before election day.

Remember Herman Cain was recovering and tweeting even though folks who knew were telling their peers that he had no chance of surviving given his other medical issues.

[Alliepoo]

1. But he's smarter than the doctors...

[malaise]

4. I really hope that is his attitude

because Mr know nothing swears he knows everything

[Ferrets are Cool]

12. Who needs dr's. He cured himself.

[ffr]

27. Baaa-lieve it!

[luvtheGWN]

60. CNN is hammering, absolutely hammering

the orangeanus for his reckless stupidity. They are making it known that his behaviour is against all scientific and medical advice. Not blaming the docs at Walter Reed because he is their C in C, so they have to go along with his wishes.

Wondering what the other cable news channels are saying?

[Captain Zero]

120. Right his uncle went to MIT, good genes.

Nt

[Mariana]

2. I don't think Cain was tweeting, I think his family were doing that. nt.

[malaise]

6. That's my point - they were faking it n/t

[Mariana]

9. They weren't pretending to be him, though.

While he was still alive it was always clear that it was his family tweeting about him.

[Mossfern]

3. I honestly think

this is a complete and complex hoax.

[CrispyQ]

38. Just like the Con is the only innocent one among all his indicted & convicted cronies?.

No. He's got it. But he's also got platinum standard medical care. I hope he crashes and burns & the sooner the better. Evil fucker.

[Texin]

99. No, he was obviously having difficulty breathing in and out when on that balcony last night.

[lagomorph777]

100. Yup - he was trying, and failing, to look perfectly healthy.

He was visibly gasping. And that orange paint job only makes him look even sicker.

[colorado_ufo]

104. The SOB should have left the mask on.

Would have give people a better image of him on so many levels. I saw the mouth breathing, the squinty eyes, the jutting chin - all a struggle for breath. This was followed by clenched teeth, a sign of determination to get through that ridiculous spectacle. I was expecting him to do a face plant any minute, especially after going up those stairs!

Dexamethasone can make you feel like a superhero. Good thing for him he didn't try to fly off the balcony.

[dixiegrrrrl]

122. I could agree with you if I hadn't seen his breathing problems last night

There was no doubt he was having trouble.
The fact he could actually walk across the lawn and make it up the stairs seemed due to the dexa...drug,
from what people who know are saying about it.

[Eliot Rosewater]

5. I am looking for a period of time where we dont see him (not counting those prerecorded messages)

for several days.

Tweets are done by someone else during this time, is he alive, is he dead? Who knows, but if he died it will be much easier to hide it and keep power away from Pence if he is at the WH and not Reed.

If it looks like he is going to die, will they bomb somewhere to try and distract? What will the GOP go along with to keep power from Pence? Maybe nothing, but we have to ask these questions.

[calguy]

7. To me, it's looking more and more like he's faked this whole thing

I haven't heard of anyone recovering from Covid in just a few days, have you? Especially someone of his age.

[Bobbingsworth]

29. Only 3 days for me.

When I had it, I only felt really sick for 3 days. It took 2 weeks for the cough to completely go away. But, the cough was only slightly annoying. My wife never showed any symptoms and was never tested. She's only in her mid 20's but, I'm in my 40's.

[onethatcares]

33. you got tested and diagnosed

and felt sick for 3 days? Wow. I got a case of the flu this year, January and could not get off the couch for 5 days but I'm over 65.

I still have shortness of breath and but no flu like symptoms.

Perhaps you had a case of that.

[Evolve Dammit]

42. Me too. Coughed so hard I pulled a muscle. Then pneumonia (Jan/ Feb). Who the F knows?

[Bobbingsworth]

70. Yep. I tested positive.

I was already feeling better before I received the results. I was ready to get back to work and had already told my boss that I felt better and would be back as soon as I had the negative result in writing...
Two weeks later, I returned, feeling like an ass for making everyone at work have to get tested and worry about getting it.
I'm thankful that none of my coworkers caught it.
I was terrified that I might have spread it to others.

[ChazInAz]

62. Sounds like my Doowerlink Dorter.

My Rachel, who is forty, was down for three days, too. Same set of symptoms.
Fortunately, she's normally in absurdly good health, hits the gym thrice weekly, and does kick boxing and fisticuffs. (One does not mess around with Rachel!)

[maxsolomon]

64. Welcome to DU!

Humblebrag noted.

[Mossfern]

106. If Trump's case was that light

responsible doctors would not have given him those serious meds.
Doesn't make sense. Did they lie about the meds?

[misanthrope]

112. They would if they were bound to follow his order

They are military personnel. He is their commander-in-chief.

He is also a spoiled, narcissistic coward. It would be completely in character for him to panic and demand every regimen or therapy available and to receive it immediately.

[Mossfern]

117. Hmmm......

Trump takes precedence over the Hippocratic Oath?

[misanthrope]

119. The NYTimes already addressed this

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214224378

[Mr.Bill]

34. He isn't recovered.

He'll get better medical care at the medical unit in the White House than many people would get at the hospital. And I guarantee the people at the hospital are thrilled to get him out of there.

[paleotn]

63. Yes...and yes.

You are correct on both counts I think.

[Grasswire2]

95. He isn't recovered.

He's in that period of the disease where nothing happens for a few days. Then BAM.

And he looked horrible last night, gasping for air. Putting on a show took all his strength.

[Boomer]

102. He hasn't recovered

Trump feels great because he's on a steroid high. He'll feel very differently once the meds wear off.

[sheshe2]

8. Just talking to my sister about the steroids he is taking.

They depress his immune system. He could drop in a few weeks. She is an ICU nurse and said when a patient insists on leaving during critical care they have to sign a waiver that they won't hold the hospital or doctors responsible. I hope they make him sign a waiver as well.

[malaise]

10. THIS

I hope they make him sign a waiver as well.

[xmas74]

35. Yep.

They're usually required to sign an AMA-Against Medical Advice.

[sheshe2]

39. We know he left against medical advise.

We all know he did not sign a waiver. **Sigh**

[xmas74]

71. Enough witnesses and the waiver should be unnecessary

You know if he dies the rest of his grifting family will sue.

[wnylib]

37. Depressing the immune system is the whole point

of taking steroids at the right stage in covid - to prevent a cytokine reaction.

If the drug cocktail designed to reduce the viral load works, then the suppression of the immune system might not harm him. But the cocktail is experimental so we don't know.

Actually, despite being stuck with a still living fascist in the WH, if the combo of the drug cocktail, remdesivir, and steroids works, it would be a breakthrough that should be used on other ill people.

[DENVERPOPS]

69. LOL

The Insurance Companies would rule it "an experimental drug cocktail" and offer no insurance drug coverage........

Some one else said a single dose of Remedewhatever is 2500, and they are using five doses..............

And besides, there would definitely be a list of who gets it first, and you and I would probably get it in 2025.......

[LeftInTX]

58. You can't force someone to sign a waiver.

We've had a few storm out of the place.

[N_E_1 for Tennis]

103. Totally sorry to say...

Waiver no waiver, what difference does it make? He isn’t being held responsible for anything so far. He won’t get prosecuted for ant of his actions while in office. It’ll be snowing in hell or he’ll be dead before any judgements are handed down for state crimes.

A waiver?... he probably was laughing his head off on the inside while he was signing.

[misanthrope]

114. A waiver wouldn't make any difference to that family of grifters

They would file action anyway.

[Hoyt]

11. I'm afraid he's survived and will be back to BSing his loving base.

We’ll have to beat him at the polls.

Hope media moves back to covering taxes, CV19 deaths and incompetence, healthcare, etc.

[malaise]

13. He's already lost most of the senior citizens

The end is nigh!

[bullimiami]

14. Boris was mild for 10 days until he wasnt.

[Evolve Dammit]

44. that's what I'm thinking. We got 2-3 more weeks to see how this might progress.

[calimary]

50. The Herman Cain COVID timeline, for anyone who missed it, thanks to our own Roland99

Mon Oct 5, 2020, 03:02 PM
Roland99 (49,268 posts)

FWIW - Comparison - Herman Cain Covid Timeline (a tweet from Tim O'Brien)
Tim O'Brien
@TimOBrien
A humbling Herman Cain/coronavirus timeline:
6/24: Attends Trump rally, maskless
7/2: Tests positive for Covid-19
7/10: Says he’s improving
7/15: Says his doctors seem happy
7/27: Says he’s really getting better
7/30: Dies

12:00 PM · Oct 5, 2020
14.4K
See the latest COVID-19 information on Twitter

we shall see

Was it a hoax or will he still be shedding the virus for days (weeks?) and infect even more?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214219159

On edit - I put it in list form so the progression of the dates is easier to eyeball.

[liberalla]

15. I wonder what treatments Cain got?

Probably not the regeneron, dexamethasone came out in June, and I don't know about the remdesivere (sp?)... He probably was deceiving the best care available at the time, because of his wealth and status...

[xmas74]

36. The dexamethasone didn't surprise me.

I knew someone who was endstage COPD on it.

[lark]

16. Just hope it happens at the debate so the weary nation can see it themselves. n/t

[malaise]

18. That would be quite the climax for his reality

TV shitshow

[wnylib]

41. Kinda like seeing Ruby shoot Oswald

on live TV, for sensational viewing.

[malaise]

43. Indeed but this will be in color

[wnylib]

52. Oh my. With orange streaks on the floor where his face hits.

What a sight. What a night.

[malaise]

54. I could watch that with a bottle of Blue Nun

[wnylib]

55. I'll toast you on that.

[liberaltrucker]

105. And HD

[malaise]

108. ROFL

[lark]

88. Yes it would be totally appropriate - so it probably won't happen.

I can sure enjoy the mental imagery though.

[dixiegrrrrl]

25. There's a thought I am willing to keep in mind.

I am really not at all feeling charitable about this monster who has so much blood on his hands.

[Fla Dem]

109. I would be very surprised if there are any more Presidential Debates.

The final 2 Presidential Debates are scheduled for 10/15 and 10/22. The 1st one is only 9 days away. I think legitimately he won't be recovered enough to debate.

The one on 10/22, maybe. But again just over 2 weeks away. By then if the poll numbers continue to skew favorably in Biden's favor, even in the toss-up states, he'll use his recovery as an excuse not to debate. Of course this is all contingent on him not having serious complications from the virus. If that's the case, then there'll be no question about him not debating.

Just my musings.

[The King of Prussia]

17. I've been saying for months

That he'll be dead by election day.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

19. No one? I've been saying it all day

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=14218808
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=14218700
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=14217609

[malaise]

21. Thanks man

Going to rec them

[Bernardo de La Paz]

22. Same. . . . nt

[George II]

20. Someone posted the Cain timeline here:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=14219159

A similar timeline would bring us to a few days before the election.

[malaise]

23. I rec'd that

[wnylib]

49. Bad timing. Should happen a day or two

after the election so he can see that he lost.

But it still would not stop the corrupt R party from challenging the election. They would claim they had to do it for his sake. But where would that leave us? If a challenging candidate dies before inauguration, would the VP candidate take his place in the challenge? Nothing says the VP can move up to the top position when there has not been an inauguration, as far as I know.

If Trump died just days before the election, would the election be delayed to get a new candidate? With Trump out of the picture, would more people vote Republican? So many unprecedented possibilities.

[BComplex]

91. That would be perfect.

Should put a stop to all the bullshit election lawsuits he's planning.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

24. "I've never wished a man dead, ..."

"... but I have read some obituaries with great pleasure."

--- a quote sometimes attributed to Mark Twain, but there is some doubt he ever said it.

Anyway, it seems fitting.

[Withywindle]

47. I think it was Clarence Darrow n/t

[Totally Tunsie]

26. I say "Go for it, Baby! Show us how strong you are."

Take a couple of laps around the Reflecting Pool while you're at it. BE BEST, dammit!

[DENVERPOPS]

73. Frankly

I am surprised that the crew of RepuliCON's hasn't modified the video of Sylvester in "ROCKY", running up the monument steps with Trump's face superimposed, instead of Stallone's, complete with the theme song playing in the background

Oooops, I shouldn't give them any ideas......

[Totally Tunsie]

74. I know, right?

https://ih1.redbubble.net/image.1495328647.6143/pp,504x498-pad,600x600,f8f8f8.u2.jpg

[DENVERPOPS]

77. Love it TT......n/c

[coeur_de_lion]

28. Oh please let him die

I would be happy if he did and so would millions . . . . .

[BComplex]

92. Millions of people all around the world would cheer.

It must really suck being him.

[Ananda62]

30. He's not out of the woods

Per Trump’s own doctor.

Of course, Trump even having COVID19 might be a hoax. CNN just reported that the 10/15 President debate is a go. If he really was sick, it’s premature to green light this.

[Orangepeel]

31. possible, but unlikely

It is a terrible disease with a high mortality rate, but most people survive it, at least in the short term (too early to know about long term).

Even for people in this age and health categories, the majority survive. He has cutting edge treatments and round-the-clock care, so his odds are better than average for someone with his conditions.

He might die. But he probably won't.

[whopis01]

32. Cain was receiving oxygen and getting better before he died

[Totally Tunsie]

78. Yup. Just three days after that Cain headline,

he was gone.

Karma, are you counting?

[warmfeet]

40. I want a major celebration.

Hope the fucker dies.

Even with bush/cheney, I would never have believed such evil could hold so much power in the US.

I hope he does die malaise, martyr or not.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

45. Except I don't recall seeing Cain during that time.

Just rosy tweets from his team, and some old video recordings of him while he was hospitalized.

As pointed out earlier in this thread, most people survive even when they're Trump's age.

Not to mention Trump getting the most intense medical attention of anyone in the country.

[localroger]

61. But Cain wasn't president

Sounds like the docs at Reed are furious about the joyride and unhappy about the quick return to WH; even with the WH clinic upgraded there are always more options at the hospital if something bad happens quickly and unexpectedly, and COVID seems to do quick and unexpected better than anything. The steroids probably have him feeling invulnerable and even if he doesn't die he's in for a heck of a surprise when they have to stop them. When he crashes will he demand more? Will they give them to him knowing too much endanger his health or force him to face the withdrawal? Might need to lay in some popcorn before Delta gets here.

[Sienna86]

46. He needs a psychological evaluation.

Shocked that was not done.

[C Moon]

48. I think he'll survive it, but Biden better not do that debate

in person. He’ll try one more time to infect him. Putin is probably demanding he do that.

[malaise]

66. +1,000

He's a super-spreader

[R B Garr]

51. K&R!

Great reminder.

[XanaDUer2]

53. Herman Cain is still tweeting

Nt

[IronLionZion]

59. His family tweets from his account. nt

[Illumination]

56. He would NEVER survive a lung transplant. Of course the brain transplant would be his first

priority!...

[BainsBane]

57. There's a chance he could be dead

within a week, if this follows the pattern of other very serious cases.

[PatrickforO]

65. That's what I'm thinking.

And his disgusting behavior today? Heaping hot coals on the heads of every single Republican.

[Boogiemack]

67. I have seen this play close-up thru Face-time and zoom. Three weeks. nt

[crickets]

76. I'm sorry to hear that, Boogiemack.

[dchill]

68. You're right. I've been saying it - just not on this forum.

But now I'm glad to back you up on that.

[ananda]

72. I said that here a few minutes ago.

Is those meds aren’t working, well.
that’s it.

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

75. He deserves much personal suffering before he dies.

As do his enablers. The vast damage they have done to this nation and our fellow Americans is not even yet fully realized and some of it will never be reversed or fixed.

[Blue Owl]

79. Here's what I'm visualizing...

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[malaise]

80. They'll show his bald head

[Blue Owl]

94. LOLOLOL

[coeur_de_lion]

81. Hopefully by Election Day

He is incapacitated if not dead so he can’t fuck with the results.

If he follows Herman Caine’s timeline he will be in a Covid coma or dead.

[malaise]

82. THIS although he won't be able to fuck

with the beating that's coming

[cwydro]

83. Has he tweeted this morning at all?

When he doesn’t tweet...

[malaise]

84. Haven't seen any posts with them

[cwydro]

85. Right after I posted in your thread I found one.

Tweeting about living with Covid like we live with the flu.

[malaise]

86. Same here

Just saw that - fuck him.

[Hotler]

87. We can't have him passing until after he is out of office. If passes while in office...

his fucking minions will want rename every federal building, high school, airport after him.

[SoonerPride]

89. Herman Cain is still tweeting!

And he dead!

[Vivienne235729]

90. I wouldn't have thought that until I saw the video of him breathing. That tells me a lot

And that was supposed to be him being polished for a photo op. I can't imagine what is really going on. I am not convinced he will make it to election day, either.

[jimlup]

93. Not making a value judgement but I think we want a live Donald

for election day.

At least until Nov. 3rd at Midnight. Let there be NO DOUBT that the vote is against the Orange Clown. We can't have the Orange Clown going and dying before Nov. 4th.

[marble falls]

96. It certainly isn't clear he's out of the woods yet, thats for sure.

[NNadir]

97. That was our topic around the dinner table last night.

Trump is clearly a "difficult patient" particularly since he is clearly developing dementia of a type that exacerbates his already problematic personality.

He will not live very long I think.

I would rather he live so that he can stand trial for his criminal behavior and thus show the world that in the US the rule of law after a major setback has been restored, but if kicks off as a result of his own stupidity, I certainly wouldn't weep.

[634-5789]

98. Only one problem if Tubby McTraitor dies....

His worthless kids will continue to tweet to the mouth breathers.

[onetexan]

101. This was what Dr. Patel (lady) mentioned on Morning Joe this morning. She mentioned Herman Caine

came down with it around June 20, the day he was @trump's in-person rally. It was said to have gotten better in a few days, then on the 27th day he died. There's no telling what will happen w/ the Con now. I do hope he'll keel over for the sake of the country.

[Liberal In Texas]

107. That's why he should 25th Amendmented. He's in the incompacitated zone.

But the repubs are too much cowards to do that.

[malaise]

111. Yep he's a total and complete threat to national security

and I might add - global security

[kairos12]

110. Cain's symptoms to death was 34 days I think.

[malaise]

118. Yep

The chart is upthread

[quakerboy]

113. Ive heard that said a lot

Anyone paying attention is appending all their statements with "if he even actually has it". Trump is a liars liar, even at times when it makes no difference, making it impossible to trust any information that comes out of the whitehouse.

So. He could have symptoms and be headed to a very fiery finish in the near future. If he even has it. Or he could have mild symptoms that will come to nothing. If he even has it. Or he could have no actual symptoms and everything people see in his face and such are just the result of somehow having figured out he is losing the election badly and that if the democrats and Biden have a spine, he will be spending the rest of his life in prison.

If he even has it.

[malaise]

115. If he doesn't have there are medics who should end up in prison

and yes we do know he's a liar

[quakerboy]

121. have we not already established

that there are Dr's and other professionals who will lie for him?

[spanone]

116. ⭐️⭐️⭐️K&R ⭐️⭐️⭐️