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Suddenly people have reached a breaking point. (Original Post) leftyladyfrommo Oct 2020 OP
I feel that too. Finally. Marie Marie Oct 2020 #1
Is this in general or was there a specific incident? n/t Yavin4 Oct 2020 #2
Not Republicon Senators; nor Cabinet members who could 25 him. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2020 #3
Do you have an example? marybourg Oct 2020 #4
FDA Kingofalldems Oct 2020 #14
The FDA just came out against a vaccine coming leftyladyfrommo Oct 2020 #17
Did something happen? XanaDUer2 Oct 2020 #5
Seems so! SheltieLover Oct 2020 #6
You haven't seen anything yet malaise Oct 2020 #7
I agree! 634-5789 Oct 2020 #10
Yep, brainspurs Ponietz Oct 2020 #25
brainspurs malaise Oct 2020 #27
Bwah! Mersky Oct 2020 #28
DUzy!!! WheelWalker Oct 2020 #32
+10 nt reACTIONary Oct 2020 #36
lol Celerity Oct 2020 #47
"Brainspurs" Post of the year!!! Sogo Oct 2020 #50
Too late...sort of. GOP still stands firm with Putin or trump as we call him here. Eliot Rosewater Oct 2020 #8
Maybe they won't be afraid to write tell-all books. lpbk2713 Oct 2020 #9
I don't care for conspiracies, but liberalmuse Oct 2020 #11
The scary thing to me is just how easy it was for leftyladyfrommo Oct 2020 #12
Nailed it malaise Oct 2020 #13
He didn't. He is there at the pleasure.. stillcool Oct 2020 #16
The TRUE saving grace..... MyOwnPeace Oct 2020 #31
There is no one who will stop them except us and our votes. liberalmuse Oct 2020 #21
Because Congress (as a political institution), Volaris Oct 2020 #24
Yes. LuvNewcastle Oct 2020 #41
How did Rebl2 Oct 2020 #34
All societies, civilizations, have had to deal with power loaded entirely at the top of the pyramid bucolic_frolic Oct 2020 #37
It was the GOP using frump as the ugly landlord. It was never one man. lindysalsagal Oct 2020 #46
the rise of the imperial presidency started in the 1960's and has continued unabated Celerity Oct 2020 #48
I Suspect Putin Gives Trump A Bounty (Credited vs His Debts To The Mafiya) For Each Dead American nt smb Oct 2020 #18
Lots of people just are too busy living DeminPennswoods Oct 2020 #15
This is true, at least for one friend of mine. Earthshine2 Oct 2020 #23
Honestly, if you watch the 2016 DeminPennswoods Oct 2020 #30
And the evolution of his debate style - interruptus maximus. Earthshine2 Oct 2020 #42
"Suddenly" ???? But I agree we seem to have a good herd mentality grantcart Oct 2020 #19
Yes, Veil Lifted for Many Skraxx Oct 2020 #20
I'm not seeing it from the fascists in power, they are with tRump 100%. nt yaesu Oct 2020 #22
Who???????????? USALiberal Oct 2020 #26
He's planning on stealing the election. He outed his coup plot tonight on Twitter: catbyte Oct 2020 #29
This is the boom! begun in 2018, and it takes angry voters for a watershed election bucolic_frolic Oct 2020 #33
Fear -vs- Anger? OfTheBottom99Percent Oct 2020 #35
Primarily, they fear his supporters. Repub congress people need Trump's voters. Earthshine2 Oct 2020 #43
Pat Toomey ( R ) Ohio announced his retirement in 2022 kimbutgar Oct 2020 #38
Pat Toomey R-Pennsylvania - not Ohio FakeNoose Oct 2020 #44
You are correct kimbutgar Oct 2020 #45
Nicolae Ceaușescu moment coming up? irisblue Oct 2020 #39
My work has Trumpsters who lately are saying NOTHING, nothing at all, about anything political. johnnyrocket Oct 2020 #40
K&R Blue Owl Oct 2020 #49

leftyladyfrommo

(20,024 posts)
17. The FDA just came out against a vaccine coming
Tue Oct 6, 2020, 07:42 PM
Oct 2020

out before it's safe.

I also expect the CDC is going to come out with science based Covid info.

There's been so much movement just in the last 3 days. It's really encouraging.

Hopefully Barr will die. That will help.

malaise

(297,584 posts)
7. You haven't seen anything yet
Tue Oct 6, 2020, 07:24 PM
Oct 2020

Give it two weeks. I maintain that he will withdraw and use Covid-19 as an excuse - he knows what's coming

Eliot Rosewater

(34,290 posts)
8. Too late...sort of. GOP still stands firm with Putin or trump as we call him here.
Tue Oct 6, 2020, 07:24 PM
Oct 2020

Barr, Moscow Mitch etc., need to be in prison.

But, instead, we will see voting simply not allowed or counted all over the place, Barr still hasnt started indicting or arresting patriots, and he will.

All hell will break loose.

And why? Why do I always go on and on about all this doom and gloom?

HILLARY BASHERS and they are EVERYWHERE hint hint...the ONLY reason you dont see more of it is it is not popular now, or you would see it all over still.

THEY ARE TO BLAME

liberalmuse

(18,881 posts)
11. I don't care for conspiracies, but
Tue Oct 6, 2020, 07:28 PM
Oct 2020

Last edited Tue Oct 6, 2020, 08:18 PM - Edit history (1)

I am finding myself having to believe that we allowed the absolute dumbest people on the planet in our highest levels of government. And when I say, "dumb", I mean mindbogglingly stupid and incompetent. OR

They are master-minding a conspiracy to beat all conspiracies by feigning being Covid-19 Positive in order to somehow stage a coup or foreign take-over by their daddy Putin. I mean, the guy with the nuclear football has it? C'mon. This is getting so ridiculous my mind hurts.

In the end, they are just a bunch of stupid, corrupt degenerates and none of them have any business near positions of power.

leftyladyfrommo

(20,024 posts)
12. The scary thing to me is just how easy it was for
Tue Oct 6, 2020, 07:35 PM
Oct 2020

these sociopaths to get control.

How on earth did one person -the President- get so much power? No one person should evet be able to do the damage that he has done. To fire the gatekeepers and put in his anti everything stooges.

And how did Mitch McConnell getbso much control over the Senate. One person should not be able to control what comes up for a vote.

stillcool

(34,407 posts)
16. He didn't. He is there at the pleasure..
Tue Oct 6, 2020, 07:40 PM
Oct 2020

of the GOP. They just need this one election, to have a permanent republican majority, with control of all aspects of the federal government. That is no small accomplishment. Mitch is doing his part with the Judiciary, and I guess maybe the idea of all that power is too intoxicating

MyOwnPeace

(17,604 posts)
31. The TRUE saving grace.....
Tue Oct 6, 2020, 09:52 PM
Oct 2020

was winning back the House in 2018 and having Speaker Pelosi there to SAVE AMERICA!!!!!

Can you imagine what it would be like if it had been all RepubliCons, including Moscow Mitch and IQ45?

But we can't let up - it MUST be OUR House, OUR Senate, and President JOE!!!!!

GET OUT THE VOTE!!!!!!

liberalmuse

(18,881 posts)
21. There is no one who will stop them except us and our votes.
Tue Oct 6, 2020, 08:21 PM
Oct 2020

That's all we have right now, and Trump and the GOP are working to try and take that away from us because there are no checks and balances. McConnell needs to go! I hope you heard that RBG. McConnell, Graham and the entire GOP including Trump and his crooked family need to go.

Volaris

(11,778 posts)
24. Because Congress (as a political institution),
Tue Oct 6, 2020, 09:30 PM
Oct 2020

Spent the better part of the 20th century deciding it was easier to let the president have more and more power, than it was to get re elected by being responsible and doing appropriate oversight and justifying raising NEEDED taxes.

Let me say, THIS IS AN ABERRATION, historically speaking. We're going to remember again in America what it IS to have Congress ACT like a co-equal Branch, and in very short order after trump is gone.

LuvNewcastle

(17,890 posts)
41. Yes.
Tue Oct 6, 2020, 10:39 PM
Oct 2020

We've seen the country slide down hill for the past several decades as Congress has become weaker and the President has become stronger than he was ever intended to be. We've more unequal, more corrupt, and constantly at war. We need a stronger Congress, one with Representatives and Senators who demand accountability from the Executive branch and a Judicial branch that will stand for Congress's authority.

Rebl2

(17,899 posts)
34. How did
Tue Oct 6, 2020, 09:55 PM
Oct 2020

one person get so much power? He had nobody that would stop him. They were enablers.

bucolic_frolic

(55,662 posts)
37. All societies, civilizations, have had to deal with power loaded entirely at the top of the pyramid
Tue Oct 6, 2020, 10:02 PM
Oct 2020

Sometimes civilizations fall, sometimes potentates are toppled. Even Magna Carta, perhaps the first limits on power, was in response to too much power in the King. Examples abound: Rome, the Borgias, The Glorious Revolution of 1688, Cromwell, the Bourbons, the American, French, Russian Revolutions. Power gets concentrated. The Founding Fathers sought to create a permanent mechanistic political system that would renew with elections and divided power geographically and time-wise. Yet we're at the point of a complete power grab again. They gamed the system.

lindysalsagal

(22,980 posts)
46. It was the GOP using frump as the ugly landlord. It was never one man.
Wed Oct 7, 2020, 12:16 AM
Oct 2020

And the wheels on frump's cars are wobbling, bigly. The end of his usefullness is approaching, fast.

Celerity

(54,791 posts)
48. the rise of the imperial presidency started in the 1960's and has continued unabated
Wed Oct 7, 2020, 12:31 AM
Oct 2020

everyone was happy when their person was in charge, and everyone always assumed that the constitutional barriers to power were so great that a madman/madwoman never could get in, or that even if they did, that the separation of powers would either contain them or remove them

the founding fathers never foresaw the rise of a madman PLUS the concurrent hyper-factionalism aligning to keep him in office

the office of POTUS needs to be VASTLY reduced in power, and given back to congress, but it will never happen unless we have a massive majority in the both the Senate and the House and then our POTUS falls on the sword

the Rethugs will never do it, they love authoritarians overall, and will count on a Dem POTUS never being as lawless and reckless as the Rumpian Rethug is now, and will be in the future (IF they elect one again)

it also is going to get worse down the road, with a hardcore RW-stacked SCOTUS who will stick a knife in the back of any Dem POTUS, yet give carte blanche to any Rethug

smb

(3,598 posts)
18. I Suspect Putin Gives Trump A Bounty (Credited vs His Debts To The Mafiya) For Each Dead American nt
Tue Oct 6, 2020, 08:03 PM
Oct 2020

DeminPennswoods

(17,565 posts)
15. Lots of people just are too busy living
Tue Oct 6, 2020, 07:40 PM
Oct 2020

their daily lives to pay much attention to politics. When those people watched the first debate, there must have been a lot of wide-eyed shock at the way Trump behaved. They got to see how bat-sh*t crazy he is.

 

Earthshine2

(4,044 posts)
23. This is true, at least for one friend of mine.
Tue Oct 6, 2020, 09:25 PM
Oct 2020

This is a 72 year old woman who always votes republican.

After seeing the first 15 mins of the debate, she turned it off, and declared herself as voting for Biden.

DeminPennswoods

(17,565 posts)
30. Honestly, if you watch the 2016
Tue Oct 6, 2020, 09:45 PM
Oct 2020

debate clips with Hillary and compare them with the recent debate, you can really see the deterioration in Trump.

 

Earthshine2

(4,044 posts)
42. And the evolution of his debate style - interruptus maximus.
Tue Oct 6, 2020, 10:42 PM
Oct 2020

I don't think he's going to make it to election day.

The White House is now an empty haunted house.

catbyte

(39,264 posts)
29. He's planning on stealing the election. He outed his coup plot tonight on Twitter:
Tue Oct 6, 2020, 09:45 PM
Oct 2020


Donald J. Trump
It will be fast and easy!

Paul Sperry
The next SCOTUS pick will likely help pick the next president. Now you know how bloody this confirmation battle will be, starting a week from today

bucolic_frolic

(55,662 posts)
33. This is the boom! begun in 2018, and it takes angry voters for a watershed election
Tue Oct 6, 2020, 09:53 PM
Oct 2020

2018 was done on legwork, coordinated support from different groups and regions, and good funding.

All those things are stronger now, though because it's a national election support is needed in all places and can't be moved at will.

America is peeved, Democrats have built this momentum in a slow crescendo, Biden is proving a master at managing his strategy and operation, and we're all pulling together. 4 weeks. Past the debates you just let it fly, flat out, cannonball run.

 
35. Fear -vs- Anger?
Tue Oct 6, 2020, 09:56 PM
Oct 2020

So often we hear that other republicans fear him and I have often wondered why. Surely he's not organized enough to have kompromat on them all. Is it a mass psychosis? I've looked around the web for answers - found this, re; below- - which has obvious holes.
Anybody out there have a psychological perspective on their "fear" and why NOW they are not as fearful? I mean sure, okay, he's unwell. Could it really be as obvious as that, that because he now shows weakness it's okay to no longer fear him? Are the repugs REALLY that primitive? Oh, wait...yeah, um...

---
-snip- anger is a sort of transformation of pain, a category including fear feelings as well as physical pain. Considered physiologically (from the perspective of the body), there are a great number of common characteristics shared by anger and fear. Both emotions are characterized by similar central nervous system arousal. In large part, it is our psychological interpretation of arousal feelings that determines whether we will feel fear, anger, or a combination of both. -snip-

 

Earthshine2

(4,044 posts)
43. Primarily, they fear his supporters. Repub congress people need Trump's voters.
Tue Oct 6, 2020, 10:46 PM
Oct 2020

One tweet from Trump, and the votes stop flowing to any elected representatives he chooses.

But, it's all falling apart before our eyes.

kimbutgar

(27,488 posts)
38. Pat Toomey ( R ) Ohio announced his retirement in 2022
Tue Oct 6, 2020, 10:03 PM
Oct 2020

Seems like he is going to strike out against MF45. Why announce two years early?

I feel the house of cards are falling against MF45.

FakeNoose

(42,167 posts)
44. Pat Toomey R-Pennsylvania - not Ohio
Tue Oct 6, 2020, 10:54 PM
Oct 2020

Yes he did announce he will not seek re-election in 2022.

Paging Katie McGinty - please contact the PA Democratic Party headquarters at your earliest convenience!


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