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(22,683 posts)Proud Liberal Dem
(24,967 posts)is that Pence sort of "cleans up" Trump's mess left by the last debate and/or helps normalize Trump and some of his policies. Pence is dull and sort of dumb but he cleans up well and won't be showing up spouting a bunch of conspiracy theories or talking over and interrupting Kamala. The main problem for him, I suppose, is that he will be put in a position of having to either defend Trump or repudiate him, which has got to be an unenviable place to be. My guess is that this debate will neither help or hurt either candidate much or really move anything. I have full confidence in Kamala to present herself well.
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)FeelingBlue
(801 posts)Shes going to prosecute Pence.
Newest Reality
(12,712 posts)whathehell
(30,476 posts)SoonerPride
(12,286 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)Kamala will stomp him good.
bluestarone
(22,238 posts)She will chew him up, and spit him out!!
Tumbulu
(6,630 posts)And I am furious that they are doing this in person.
crickets
(26,168 posts)Harris can run circles around Pence intellectually, but I just don't understand why this is being held in person. It's irresponsible and stupid.
soothsayer
(38,601 posts)Lucinda
(31,170 posts)is why he has been so reckless about safety concerns. He hoped she would bail out. There was no reason they couldnt have just set up a remote debate for their safety...
DonaldsRump
(7,715 posts)Lochloosa
(16,743 posts)So, no. This is not a do or die for Biden/Harris.
Srkdqltr
(9,785 posts)unitedwethrive
(2,016 posts)Honestly, the bar is so low for Pence, that if he doesn't curl up in a ball on the floor, people will say that he held his own. And on our side, they have been playing clips of her Senatorial committee questioning all day, so if she doesn't out-perform those moments, it will be anticlimactic.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,967 posts)when Mike Pence becomes "Vice-Presidential"?
H2O Man
(79,090 posts)Pence is the very definition of charismatic.
Not.
StarryNite
(12,134 posts)ecstatic
(35,085 posts)or come across as way smarter than pence or that will lead to pushback.
As a woman you can't be too smart, but you can't be dumb either... so which is it?
I'm sick of the double standards!
Mossfern
(4,721 posts)I'm usually anxious all the time.
I'm wondering what Pence will pull out of his ass.
I do know that Harris can think on her feet very well and I hope that she has some surprises for her opponent.
I don't want her on the defense, I want her on the offense.
handmade34
(24,021 posts)Auggie
(33,180 posts)He has nothing to lose.
blitzen
(4,572 posts)BlueNProud
(1,104 posts)ananda
(35,210 posts)Kamala is the best possible person to debate Pence.
She will come out smelling like a rose, Pence will
leave smelling like a .......... fill in the blank with
your favorite stink.
renate
(13,776 posts)Pence will have to defend the indefensible, and she's a prosecutor, so....
But yeah, I'm nervous, just because I'm always nervous about debates.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,270 posts)It is uphill all the way for him.
He's cooked.
obamanut2012
(29,383 posts)H2O Man
(79,090 posts)I think that Senator Harris is debating VP Pence tonight. No reason to be nervous about that.
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)I was way more nervous for the first debate.
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)The debate itself? Not a bit
Demonaut
(10,098 posts)GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)And further make it apparent that Trump is a psychopath. Joe tried, but trump went crazy.
pamdb
(1,439 posts)I never watch a debate. We go to bed really early and I usually watch a british mystery (Midsomer Murders) and then at 9:30 I flip over to Daily Kos and watch some of the debate highlights. I usually fall asleep about half hour later. It doesn't make any difference, we've already voted by mail for Biden/Harris anyway.
Yavin4
(37,182 posts)My only nervousness is that Pence may get sympathy from the whoop ass he's about to get.
nsd
(2,486 posts)But, seriously, no. Harris is really good on TV -- very sharp, very quick. Pence is also pretty good -- because he's an ex-radio talk show host who thinks nothing of lying. But, at worst, this will be a draw. At best, Harris will win going away.
Sneederbunk
(17,526 posts)Then the fact checkers will go after Pence.
leftofthestorm
(1,093 posts)SMC22307
(8,090 posts)Celerity
(54,496 posts)ornotna
(11,504 posts)Can't be worse than Donnie's shit show the other night. Kamala Harris can handle that twinkie Pence.
Arkansas Granny
(32,265 posts)She will stand up to Pence quite well.
regnaD kciN
(27,655 posts)...Mikey has the talk show hosts ability to come across as calm and reasonable, even when saying the most outrageous things. Kaine tried to go on the offense against him and just came off looking mean and unlikable. Harris will have to tread a very narrow path to avoid coming off as overly aggressive and angry on one hand, and letting him control the debate on the other.
Arthur_Frain
(2,374 posts)He knows the deal he made with the devil. 4 years of hedging the truth, outright lying, being part of policy that defies basic scriptural ideals, like caging children, have had some effect.
His moral authority isnt what he thinks it is anymore.
DavidDvorkin
(20,603 posts)BainsBane
(57,762 posts)I'm not worried.
Arthur_Frain
(2,374 posts)Wonder what Pences blood pressure is 90 minutes before the debate?
These idiots have screwed the pooch so badly over the last 7 days that even he knows prayer wont save him. If anything he should be getting the picture that the big guy is a bit pissed at his boys. After all, its these evangelicals who are always blaming gods wrath on America via hurricanes, earthquakes, tornadoes, terrorists, or whatever, because of gays & shit.
Hes having problems with the basic premise that he has to treat a woman as an equal for 90 minutes tonight. I guarantee you he cannot do it. Its sticking in his craw even now. See he may have started out believing that he was doing higher good to get the courts, the laws, etc. but hes been knee deep in trumps world now for almost 4 years. He has no honor to fall back on anymore, no real spiritual capital at all; hes been compromising decency since day one. Hes thoroughly fouled, and I predict he is going to make a grievous error that reveals his inner intolerance, and hell even try to double down on it before it dawns on him exactly what it is hes saying. Hes seen his boss do it hundreds of times.
Tonight youre going to get to watch Mike Pence die inside on national television.
Baked Potato
(7,733 posts)XanaDUer2
(15,772 posts)I'm more worried about her being exposed to COVID
GoCubsGo
(34,934 posts)Because, you KNOW he's a spreader. Otherwise, I look forward to Sen. Harris wiping the floor with Pence.
Retrograde
(11,424 posts)in the debate with Kaine: he's a smooth talker, doesn't get flustered, and acts like he knows what he's talking about. He has the ability to say anything about anything and make himself look sincere.
Talitha
(8,027 posts)Awsi Dooger
(14,565 posts)I think it will be a high quality draw. Pence has the type of unflappable style that works very well in debate setting.
If Susan Rice had been out there I would have anticipated this for months. She is extra special and would have framed the state of the race and nation in Hillary style and caliber.
Caliman73
(11,767 posts)Like I have said with regards to Trump, you can't go hard after Biden. You can certainly criticize his policy decisions, but Joe is super likeable and a good person. Kamala did, in my opinion, a good job with her arguments, but when she implied Biden's blind spots on race, they didn't land like people thought they might.
Pence is a different beast altogether. He is either a lapdog, or part of the problem. Either way, his wannabe folksy Indiana schtick is not going to save him. He is the vice president to a monster and Kamala will tie Trump around his neck.
The only concern I have is for Kamala's health being around the likely COVID carrying asshat.