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Botany

(70,530 posts) Thu Oct 8, 2020, 09:06 AM Oct 2020

Pence, "Joe Biden opposed the raid to kill bin Laden." Oh really? A little help please.

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Pence, "Joe Biden opposed the raid to kill bin Laden." Oh really? A little help please. (Original Post) Botany Oct 2020 OP

As I recall, VP Biden was not initially on board. madaboutharry Oct 2020 #1

Yes, Pence brought up the risks and that is what a good #2 should have done. Botany Oct 2020 #3

I think you mean Biden brought up the risks. madaboutharry Oct 2020 #4

need coffee Botany Oct 2020 #7

He was skeptical Rice4VP Oct 2020 #2

Yep, and we should therefore blame Pence for all T's decisions. flor-de-jasmim Oct 2020 #5

I'm sure in some ways it was his job to play devil's advocate Buckeyeblue Oct 2020 #6

Joe was doing his job as VP Johnny2X2X Oct 2020 #8

They didn't talk about it much but both President Obama & Vice President have acknowledged that ... Botany Oct 2020 #9

No surprise Pence would think this was a bad thing. CincyDem Oct 2020 #10

madaboutharry

(40,212 posts)

1. As I recall, VP Biden was not initially on board.

Reply to Botany (Original post)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 09:09 AM

Oct 2020

He thought it was very risky and worried it would have been a failure like other botched rescues during the Carter and Clinton administrations.

It seems like it is a "half" truth.

Botany

(70,530 posts)

3. Yes, Pence brought up the risks and that is what a good #2 should have done.

Reply to madaboutharry (Reply #1)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 09:11 AM

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But once it was "a go" he was all on board.

madaboutharry

(40,212 posts)

4. I think you mean Biden brought up the risks.

Reply to Botany (Reply #3)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 09:17 AM

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Botany

(70,530 posts)

7. need coffee

Reply to madaboutharry (Reply #4)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 09:24 AM

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Rice4VP

(1,235 posts)

2. He was skeptical

Reply to Botany (Original post)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 09:09 AM

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flor-de-jasmim

(2,125 posts)

5. Yep, and we should therefore blame Pence for all T's decisions.

Reply to Rice4VP (Reply #2)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 09:19 AM

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Buckeyeblue

(5,499 posts)

6. I'm sure in some ways it was his job to play devil's advocate

Reply to Botany (Original post)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 09:21 AM

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Johnny2X2X

(19,075 posts)

8. Joe was doing his job as VP

Reply to Botany (Original post)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 09:26 AM

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Playing contrarian, giving the President the other side of the coin. I'm sure he was skeptical, but more than anything he was just doing the job of making sure we've considered all sides.

Botany

(70,530 posts)

9. They didn't talk about it much but both President Obama & Vice President have acknowledged that ...

Reply to Johnny2X2X (Reply #8)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 09:31 AM

Oct 2020

.... in private Joe would disagree w/Barack but in public he was all on board. I'm sure if Senator Harris
is the Vice President she would let Joe know what she thinks but in private.

CincyDem

(6,369 posts)

10. No surprise Pence would think this was a bad thing.

Reply to Botany (Original post)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 09:43 AM

Oct 2020

He comes from the land where any response to POTUS other that “yes boss” is considered grounds for termination. Yes Men always ridicule constructive disagreement.

The best management teams get to the best decisions via healthy debate, looking at an issue with all the data from multiple directions. And once a decision is made, everyone is all in.

I sure, through Pence’s lens of blind fealty to dear leader...this is a foreign concept to him.

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