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Pelosi now: "Tomorrow we are going to be talking about the 25th Amendment" (Trump's mental state?) (Original Post) Mrs. Overall Oct 2020 OP
Context? Chichiri Oct 2020 #1
She's talking to reporters live. Mrs. Overall Oct 2020 #2
What for? durablend Oct 2020 #3
So that Trump's competence becomes a discussion. NYC Liberal Oct 2020 #5
History will show the House impeached him & the Senate said no. History will now show... Hekate Oct 2020 #11
What does she know that I don't? Laelth Oct 2020 #4
I hope they do seriously discuss invoking the 25th amendment Ms. Toad Oct 2020 #8
Congress doesn't "invoke" the 25th amendment. It takes the vp and a majority of Trump's cabinet. onenote Oct 2020 #13
Yes, but Pence is the only person who can invoke the 25th. Laelth Oct 2020 #15
Well, we totally need to change that! EndlessWire Oct 2020 #21
I think she is saying that the President's current mental capacity needs serious discussion. Mrs. Overall Oct 2020 #10
In other words, she wants to publicly invite Pence to do it? Laelth Oct 2020 #19
The original post also has the video of her on CSPAN talking about it but I don't think it Mrs. Overall Oct 2020 #20
They need to hammer this point home. Make this guy completely Guy Whitey Corngood Oct 2020 #6
+1 Mrs. Overall Oct 2020 #12
Still not seeing the point durablend Oct 2020 #22
There are low information voters who don't grasp the degree of lunacy (I know, hard to believe...) Guy Whitey Corngood Oct 2020 #23
It's like Johnson and the pig f*cking KatyMan Oct 2020 #26
And send the impeachment over to the Senate in time for SCOTUS VOTE Le Roi de Pot Oct 2020 #7
That's the ticket (so it seems to me). triron Oct 2020 #27
The TRUTH is always a GOOD IDEA!! bluestarone Oct 2020 #9
I think talking about the 25th Amendment Andy823 Oct 2020 #14
Mme Speaker never talks idly. And as is well known, she can count votes. Hekate Oct 2020 #16
This! fierywoman Oct 2020 #18
yup. cabinet all exposed, joint chiefs, sick and in quarantine. ihas2stinkyfeet Oct 2020 #24
Some info on the 25th Amendment: Mrs. Overall Oct 2020 #17
We need to discuss MoonlitKnight Oct 2020 #25
Hell, keep talking about it thru November. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Oct 2020 #28
"or of such other body as Congress may by law provide" MoonlitKnight Oct 2020 #29

Hekate

(90,737 posts)
11. History will show the House impeached him & the Senate said no. History will now show...
Thu Oct 8, 2020, 11:42 AM
Oct 2020

...that the House tried to remove him because he is insane and contagious, and the Senate still said no.

I think our Speaker of the House is trying to save the country.

Which side do you want to be on?

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
4. What does she know that I don't?
Thu Oct 8, 2020, 11:35 AM
Oct 2020

A lot, I am sure, but something that might trigger the 25th Amendment ... tomorrow? That’s awfully specific.

I will wait until this is verified before getting terribly concerned.



-Laelth

Ms. Toad

(34,076 posts)
8. I hope they do seriously discuss invoking the 25th amendment
Thu Oct 8, 2020, 11:39 AM
Oct 2020

if Trump tries to hold more of his rallies.

onenote

(42,715 posts)
13. Congress doesn't "invoke" the 25th amendment. It takes the vp and a majority of Trump's cabinet.
Thu Oct 8, 2020, 11:43 AM
Oct 2020

And if you think that's going to happen you need to revisit the real world

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
15. Yes, but Pence is the only person who can invoke the 25th.
Thu Oct 8, 2020, 11:45 AM
Oct 2020

Is Nancy going to talk to Pence about it? When she says “we” is she talking about Pence and herself?

For that matter, when you say “they,” who are you talking about? Any discussion of the 25th Amendment that does not involve Pence is a waste of time and energy. Pence is the only person who could make it happen.

-Laelth

EndlessWire

(6,546 posts)
21. Well, we totally need to change that!
Thu Oct 8, 2020, 11:53 AM
Oct 2020

Whose got the list today? We need to put that on the list of things to improve our lives.

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
19. In other words, she wants to publicly invite Pence to do it?
Thu Oct 8, 2020, 11:49 AM
Oct 2020

I suppose that’s possible. Nothing will come of it if Pence isn’t on board. I am desperately curious to know what she means by the “we” in that little, context-deprived tweet.

-Laelth

Mrs. Overall

(6,839 posts)
20. The original post also has the video of her on CSPAN talking about it but I don't think it
Thu Oct 8, 2020, 11:51 AM
Oct 2020

provides much more info.

I think she dropped this bomb and left it purposefully vague.

Guy Whitey Corngood

(26,501 posts)
6. They need to hammer this point home. Make this guy completely
Thu Oct 8, 2020, 11:36 AM
Oct 2020

unacceptable to the electorate. Turn him into one of those guys who like to dress up like napoleon and bark orders to strangers.

durablend

(7,462 posts)
22. Still not seeing the point
Thu Oct 8, 2020, 11:55 AM
Oct 2020

Those voting for Biden already think he's nuts and want him out. The ones voting for Trump will likely only become more pissed off and still vote for him.

Guy Whitey Corngood

(26,501 posts)
23. There are low information voters who don't grasp the degree of lunacy (I know, hard to believe...)
Thu Oct 8, 2020, 12:02 PM
Oct 2020

the rest of us can see. These are not the true fanatics and can still be dissuaded. The point is not holding back any punches. Hit these muthafuckas' with everything. I don't recall a time when the Speaker of the House questioned the "so called" president's mental state. That's not a conversation they want less than a month away.

KatyMan

(4,201 posts)
26. It's like Johnson and the pig f*cking
Thu Oct 8, 2020, 12:37 PM
Oct 2020

Whether Trump is competent or not, the administration needs to be spending time defending that he is, put them on the defensive.

bluestarone

(16,988 posts)
9. The TRUTH is always a GOOD IDEA!!
Thu Oct 8, 2020, 11:39 AM
Oct 2020

Nancy's got this right. Talk every day about RUMP being completely INSANE!!!

Andy823

(11,495 posts)
14. I think talking about the 25th Amendment
Thu Oct 8, 2020, 11:44 AM
Oct 2020

Is a great Idea. Get it out about just how crazy he has become, how dangerous keeping in charge would be, and force republican in the House and the Senate to either defend him, keep silent, or stand up to him.

All those republicans running this year should be confronted every day about the seriousness of keeping trump in the WH.

 

ihas2stinkyfeet

(1,400 posts)
24. yup. cabinet all exposed, joint chiefs, sick and in quarantine.
Thu Oct 8, 2020, 12:10 PM
Oct 2020

at least 1 kid worried in public.
call out mother's boy on live teevee. then he can point at everyone else and say- it wasnt my idea to become prez.

Mrs. Overall

(6,839 posts)
17. Some info on the 25th Amendment:
Thu Oct 8, 2020, 11:49 AM
Oct 2020

Section 4 addresses the case of an incapacitated president who is unable or unwilling to execute the voluntary declaration contemplated in Section 3; it is the amendment's only section that has never been invoked. It allows the vice president, together with a "majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide", to declare the president "unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office" in a written declaration. The transfer of authority to the vice president is immediate, and (as with Section 3) the vice president becomes acting president – not president – while the president remains in office, albeit divested of all authority.[6]

The "principal officers of the executive departments" are the fifteen Cabinet members enumerated in the United States Code at 5 U.S.C 101:[7][8][9]

Secretary of State
Secretary of the Treasury
Secretary of Defense
Attorney General
Secretary of the Interior
Secretary of Agriculture
Secretary of Commerce
Secretary of Labor
Secretary of Health and Human Services
Secretary of Housing and Urban Development
Secretary of Transportation
Secretary of Energy
Secretary of Education
Secretary of Veterans Affairs
Secretary of Homeland Security

A president thus declared unable to serve may subsequently issue a declaration stating that he is able. This marks the beginning of a four-day period during which the vice president remains acting president.[10][11]:38n137 If by the end of this period the vice president and a majority of the "principal officers of the executive departments" have not issued a second declaration of the president's incapacity, then the president resumes his powers and duties.

If a second declaration of incapacity is issued within the four-day period, then the vice president remains acting president while Congress considers the matter. If within 21 days the Senate and the House determine, each by a two-thirds vote, that the president is incapacitated, then the vice president continues as acting president; otherwise the president resumes his powers and duties.[note 1]

Section 4's requirements for the vice president to remain acting president indefinitely – a declaration by the vice president together with a majority of the principal officers or other body, then (if the president makes a counter-declaration) a two-thirds vote of the House and a two-thirds vote of the Senate – contrasts with the Constitution's procedure for removal of the president from office for "high crimes and misdemeanors" – a majority of the House (Article I, Section 2, Clause 5) followed by two-thirds of the Senate (Article I, Section 3, Clause 6).[13][14]

MoonlitKnight

(1,584 posts)
25. We need to discuss
Thu Oct 8, 2020, 12:24 PM
Oct 2020

Yes, the House cannot start the actual process, but she can start a discussion. We not nay need to discuss the current situation, but how it has shown holes in our succession process.

MoonlitKnight

(1,584 posts)
29. "or of such other body as Congress may by law provide"
Thu Oct 8, 2020, 05:02 PM
Oct 2020

Discussing a bill to create another body to decide. Which is clearly needed.

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