Fox declares Pence the winner of the debate

[left-of-center2012]

Switched to Fox for their opinion.

Said Pence won, but looked tired.

Claimed Harris glared at Pence in an angry manner and laughed at him disrespectfully.

[Sherman A1]

1. Well, that's a real surprise.....

[Wounded Bear]

2. Meh, it was 3rd and 25 to go...

and Pence ran a quarterback sneak.

[underpants]

3. When they needed a quick score.

Should’ve gone deep. Ran a fly pattern.

[Grammy23]

4. You can pee on my leg and tell me it is raining.

Doesn’t make it true. 🙄

[mackdaddy]

5. Hey, Vanilla Vice can do no wrong... (On Fox)

...

but that fly knows stink when he finds it.

[AnnaLee]

6. They just can't quit.

Angry black disrespecting woman. Got the religious black and female pecking order in a single attack.

[lpbk2713]

7. Hooda guessed it.

It's odd that their statement was prepared two hours before the debate began.

[Caliman73]

8. It is always a matter of perspective that is the pernicious nature of Fox.

And other right wing media.

There have always been divisions between left and right, Democrats and Republicans, etc... The difference since the advent of specifically right wing media is that there is no longer a very public debate on the issues. Prior to AM radio and Fox, there were liberal and conservative pundits. William F Buckley was prominent, you had CATO and other conservative entities, but everyone got their news from the 3 legacy broadcasters, from the NY Times, Washington Post, Wall St. Journal, Tribune papers, and local news outlets. They fought on the same facts and same information.

Debates, or what we call debates now, are always subjective. Style versus content, who said what or didn't, who got the best zingers. Granted that happened in the debate between Kennedy and Nixon in 1960 with people hearing on the radio saying Nixon edged out JFK and those watching on TV, seeing the sweaty Nixon, thinking that JFK carried it.

I think Fox, if they gave it to Pence (let's suspend reality for a bit and say it isn't just right wing bias) were probably judging from volume and tone. Pence spoke over Harris, went over his time constantly ignoring the moderator, and used his time primarily to spin, falsely attack his opponent, and falsely attribute positive attributes to himself and Trump. He did what he set out to do without really substantively answering many of the actual questions.

Harris, in my opinion was factually more accurate, presented a better narrative, and accurately pointed out the failings of the administration. What she did not do (what she could not do) was interrupt, talk over Pence, or get mad like any normal person would have. She did tell him a couple of times, "I will not be lectured to" which was good, but even with the restraint she showed, they are characterizing her as "angry" and "disrespectful".

[karynnj]

9. Nice summary

I would add that on many things, Pence stated the RW narrative that Fox viewers have already heard millions of times:

such as:

Implying that Obama did nothing to fight ISIS as it grew when he was President. Trump came in and quickly defeated it completely. (wrong on all accounts - Trump continued the military plan developed under Obama with the international coalition formed under Obama. Half of Mosul was already won back when Obama left office, leaving the other half and Raqqa and a lot of nearly unpopulated desert to win back under Trump. Trump did change the rules of engagement. Obama's rules were designed to make it more likely that after they won an area, local people could return and provide governance after the US and Norway led on demining the area. The overall Obama goal was to avoid what has happened in wars from Vietnam to Iraq to Afghanistan where the US won areas with huge force only to have it revert to people against us as the forces left to fight elsewhere.

Speaking of Trump coming in after Obama's slowest ever recovery. Problem - any graph of any economic factors shows that the economy was falling off the cliff in the second half of 2008. The economy continued falling in the first half of 2009 - when Obama and the Democrats (with 3 Republicans) passed the needed stimulus bill. From that point on the economy had a consistent improvement. A faster improvement over those years than Trump's. Trump's - as Harris said - was partly due to a huge tax cut which unsustainably created a huge deficit. Technically that tax cut was a stimulus, but a badly designed one. The same number of dollars given to people at the bottom or put into infrastructure development (leading to good jobs) would have been better.

Demonizing the Paris Agreement and the green new deal - not to mention the Iran deal.

Much of what Pence, a former hate radio talker, said was already right wing bible.

[Caliman73]

13. Very true.

I am sure that we could write a novel length book about all the crap that went on at that debate and how Kamala was hamstrung by the racial stereotype of the "angry Black woman" and other racial and sexist constraints.

I was watching Sam Seder, who is sometimes more left leaning and critical of Democrats, and he had a good frame of the debate in which he acknowledged the obvious lies or Pence and really only dinged Kamala for one thing which was not noting that Pence did not answer more than half the questions directly. Whereas Pence said on 3 occasions, only one was accurate, "She didn't answer the question" and the impression it would give to less informed watchers of the debate. The only question Kamala evaded was the "court packing" question, which she was very correct to pivot from.

Pence, like you said is a talk show host, turned FAILED governor of Indiana. He is a fake from his toes to his fly covered head. A "good Christian" who aligned himself with an amoral, immoral sociopath, who was broke before he got tapped, and now, magically, is doing quite well.

[Hangingon]

10. The Drudge on line vote gave the debate to Pence by a landslide

[relayerbob]

11. He carefully spewed out all of their talking points

[Midnight Writer]

12. Right. FOX is all about respecting others. And angry people need not apply.