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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe media needs to stop calling them militias
They are terrorist gangs.
matt819
(10,749 posts)Terrorist cells
American terrorists
White terrorists
Christian terrorists
pat_k
(9,313 posts)American or Domestic Terrorist doesn't capture the fact these are White Power/Supremacists/Extremists. I think Christian Terrorists might work, but are they all Christians? (We know they are all White.)
unblock
(52,195 posts)Militia is a neutral if not supportive term.
RockRaven
(14,958 posts)White terrorist cells.
Fascist terrorist cells.
Incels in cells.
pat_k
(9,313 posts)pat_k
(9,313 posts)One way to lobby for a change in language is in letters to the editor. (Or to bring attention on any subject.)
Personally, I''ll be lobbying to change White Supremacists, White Extremists, White Power movement, Militias, etc. to "White Terrorists." As noted in other posts on the thread, I think this is more accurate and a simpler transition from current language. YMMV. There are other labels suggested on this thread, like Right-Wing Terrorists, you might prefer. I like including "White" because I think this ultimately boils down to racism -- not just "right-wing" beliefs.
In addition to writing to papers/news local to your state/city/region, below are some nationals and progressive-friendly magazines.
I've also included cable and network news contacts.
When you write, cite a recent article (articles) that have instances of the objectionable term. Make a short case for a new, more meaningful and accurate, label. Note the the problematic language is used everywhere.
Best to keep it under 200 words, whether or not the outlet provides this as a guideline.
National Newspapers
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WaPo
Write to letters@washpost.com or to: Letters to the Editor, The Washington Post, 1301 K Street NW, Washington DC 20071.
Guidelines: [F]ewer than 200 words and take as their starting point an article or other item appearing in The Post.
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NYTimes
letters@nytimes.com
Guidelines: Letters should be exclusive to The New York Times or The International New York Times. We do not publish open letters or third-party letters. -- That is, customize for NYTimes citing a few articles with the objectionable term and noting that the term is pervasive.
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USA Today
letters@usatoday.com -- also need to be under 200 words (fewer the better).
Progressive Magazines
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The Atlantic
letters@theatlantic.com
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Mother Jones
backtalk@motherjones.com
or send snail mail to Backtalk, Mother Jones, P.O. Box 584, San Francisco, CA 94104-0584.
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The American Prospect
David Dayen, Executive Editor, ddayen@prospect.org
The American Prospect
1225 I Street NW, Suite 600, Washington, D.C. 20005
(202) 776-0730
info@prospect.org
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Harper's
Harpers Magazine
666 Broadway, 11th Floor
New York, NY 10012
212-420-5720
To email us about articles in the magazine:
letters@harpers.org
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The Nation
https://www.thenation.com/letters-editor-0/
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Washington Monthly
1200 18th Street NW
Suite 330
Washington, DC 20036
Tel: 202-955-9010, Fax: 202-955-9011
Cable News and other network news
CNN
https://www.cnn.com/feedback
MSNBC
30 Rockefeller Plaza
New York, N.Y. 10112
ABC News
https://abcnews.go.com/contact
List of contacts for specific shows
https://abcnews.go.com/contact
NBC News
Assistant Managing Editor for Politics
Gregg Birnbaum / Gregg.Birnbaum@nbcuni.com
Assistant Managing Editor for News
Tim Perone / Tim.Perone@nbcuni.com
CBS News
Different contacts for evening weekday and weekend news. See https://www.cbsnews.com/news/contact-information-01-08-1998/
littlemissmartypants
(22,631 posts)could bookmark it for future reference. I also suggest cross posting it to the Activists Group
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1011
Awesome post, thanks.
❤ lmsp
pat_k
(9,313 posts). . to lobby for change in language, or as a general "contacts" list without specific issue?
littlemissmartypants
(22,631 posts)any effectiveness. ❤ lmsp
LizBeth
(9,952 posts)I have posted on at least 20-25 threads on FB. Change the language.
pat_k
(9,313 posts)White Supremists or Extremists or White Power movement does not capture the fact that their goal is to terrorize POC and anti-racists. Their veiled, and not so veiled, threats to "eliminate" POC and "take back" the country for it's "rightful" white populous are terroristic threats.
To me, they are White Terrorists, plain and simple.
Also, the transition from "White Supremacists" to "White Terrorists" seems the most straightforward.
LizBeth
(9,952 posts)pat_k
(9,313 posts)LizBeth
(9,952 posts)SWBTATTReg
(22,112 posts)good reason as we can see.
Hassler
(3,373 posts)They are right wing terrorists.
pat_k
(9,313 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(48,988 posts)pat_k
(9,313 posts)ProfessorGAC
(64,995 posts)I heard the AG say state charges are being brought. One of the charges was being in a gang.
So, the group meets their state's definition of a gang. In Michigan, they are a terrorist gang.
pat_k
(9,313 posts)Greybnk48
(10,167 posts)pat_k
(9,313 posts)Brother Mythos
(1,442 posts)They are, after all, "militias" by traditional definition. And, based upon our country's own history, the patriots of the Battles of Lexington and Concord were "militiamen." Therefore, attempting to change the definition of what a "militia" is has uncomfortable consequences.
I also agree that these people are "White Supremacists," "White Terrorists," and "White Supremacist Terrorists."
However, I believe that labeling them instead as "Right-wing Terrorists" would be the most effective way of purging them from our society. My reasoning is that while their being "White Supremacists" and "Terrorists" is certainly true, many of their vast redneck brethren become defensive, and sympathetic to them simply because of the "White" parts of those labels.
But, if instead, we and the media were to label them "Right-wing Terrorists," the redneck, knee-jerk response to defend the "White" parts of the alternate labels would be far less likely to be triggered. In addition, it would place the right-wingers, and especially the far right-wingers, in the position of either having to defend these "militias," or renounce them. And, I can't see where defending them would be very popular. As, after all, isn't "populism" what these right-wingers and their leaders are really all about?
pat_k
(9,313 posts)Personally, I''ll be lobbying to change White Supremacists, White Extremists, White Power movement, Militias, etc. to "White Terrorists." As noted in other posts on the thread, I think this is more accurate and a simpler transition from current language. While Right-Wing Terrorist is a vast improvement, I prefer to see White included because I think this ultimately boils down to racism -- not just "right-wing" beliefs.
If you want to lobby news media to change their language (to whatever you think is best), here's a list of contacts:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214248809#post14
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)pat_k
(9,313 posts)Sympthsical
(9,072 posts)We should use proper words.
Mr.Bill
(24,280 posts)fierywoman
(7,683 posts)Doreen
(11,686 posts)Doing so will leave the chance for some to claim they are foriegn out.
soldierant
(6,846 posts)as long as it enables us to deal with them the way Greece is finally starting to deal with Golden Dawn.
https://thenib.com/golden-sunset/
flibbitygiblets
(7,220 posts)warmfeet
(3,321 posts)Their intent is to kill and to take down the United States government. They are relics from the civil war and from nazi germany. Deal with them now, there may not be a later.
Johnny2X2X
(19,038 posts)Thats what they are.
niyad
(113,257 posts)Politicub
(12,165 posts)And call the individuals terrorists.
Liberty Belle
(9,534 posts)We don't know if they are all Christian, or even all white, though they are racists.