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The media needs to stop calling them militias (Original Post) Trumpocalypse Oct 2020 OP
Or just terrorists, or matt819 Oct 2020 #1
Yes. We need to change language (personally, I prefer White Terrorists) pat_k Oct 2020 #2
+1 LizBeth Oct 2020 #5
Terror cells. Exactly. unblock Oct 2020 #3
Terrorist cells. RockRaven Oct 2020 #4
White Terrorist cells gets my vote. pat_k Oct 2020 #7
Letters to editors of newspapers and networks needed -- LOTS of letters pat_k Oct 2020 #14
If you were to create a unique post for this information then I and others so inclined, littlemissmartypants Oct 2020 #27
Do you recommend posting with a message . . . pat_k Oct 2020 #33
They're not mutually exclusive. You can make both points and not lose littlemissmartypants Oct 2020 #35
white supremacist, KKK, Nazi thugs extreme RW terrorists. Nothing about them are militia. LizBeth Oct 2020 #6
I don't think White Supremacists is strong enough. pat_k Oct 2020 #8
I am good with that. LizBeth Oct 2020 #9
Help make it happen -- letters to editors. Link to contacts pat_k Oct 2020 #16
Well pat, I am impressed. I was hitting every site on my Fb, now I will do as you suggest. LizBeth Oct 2020 #30
Exactly. Illegal militias. Every one of the fifty states and Wash. DC have outlawed militias, for SWBTATTReg Oct 2020 #10
If these armed vigilantes were black, they'd be labeled thugs Hassler Oct 2020 #11
Let's push for a change in language pat_k Oct 2020 #18
Conservative terrorists or Right-Wing terrorists, to be more precise. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2020 #12
Letters to editors pat_k Oct 2020 #20
Agreed! ProfessorGAC Oct 2020 #13
Help push for change in language pat_k Oct 2020 #21
Terrorist Vigilantes. That's what they are! N/t Greybnk48 Oct 2020 #15
Help push for new language pat_k Oct 2020 #22
I believe Right-wing Terrorists is how these illegal groups should be described by the media. Brother Mythos Oct 2020 #17
Good. However. . . pat_k Oct 2020 #23
Terror cells. lagomorph777 Oct 2020 #19
Lobby media for the term you think we need to use pat_k Oct 2020 #25
No, they're insurrectionists, rebels, traitors Sympthsical Oct 2020 #24
Republicans. n/t Mr.Bill Oct 2020 #26
Domestic Terrorists. fierywoman Oct 2020 #28
Do not forget to add HOME GROWN. Doreen Oct 2020 #29
I don't care what we call them soldierant Oct 2020 #31
If their skin wasn't white, the "Terrorist" label would have been automatic. So let's fix that! flibbitygiblets Oct 2020 #32
Treasonous murder gangs. warmfeet Oct 2020 #34
Terror Cell Johnny2X2X Oct 2020 #36
I have been calling them home-grown white boy terrorists for many years. niyad Oct 2020 #37
My vote is for terror cell Politicub Oct 2020 #38
Vigilante terrorists. Or terrorist vigilantes. Liberty Belle Oct 2020 #39

pat_k

(9,313 posts)
2. Yes. We need to change language (personally, I prefer White Terrorists)
Thu Oct 8, 2020, 03:44 PM
Oct 2020

American or Domestic Terrorist doesn't capture the fact these are White Power/Supremacists/Extremists. I think Christian Terrorists might work, but are they all Christians? (We know they are all White.)

pat_k

(9,313 posts)
14. Letters to editors of newspapers and networks needed -- LOTS of letters
Thu Oct 8, 2020, 04:39 PM
Oct 2020

One way to lobby for a change in language is in letters to the editor. (Or to bring attention on any subject.)

Personally, I''ll be lobbying to change White Supremacists, White Extremists, White Power movement, Militias, etc. to "White Terrorists." As noted in other posts on the thread, I think this is more accurate and a simpler transition from current language. YMMV. There are other labels suggested on this thread, like Right-Wing Terrorists, you might prefer. I like including "White" because I think this ultimately boils down to racism -- not just "right-wing" beliefs.

In addition to writing to papers/news local to your state/city/region, below are some nationals and progressive-friendly magazines.

I've also included cable and network news contacts.

When you write, cite a recent article (articles) that have instances of the objectionable term. Make a short case for a new, more meaningful and accurate, label. Note the the problematic language is used everywhere.

Best to keep it under 200 words, whether or not the outlet provides this as a guideline.

National Newspapers

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WaPo
Write to letters@washpost.com or to: Letters to the Editor, The Washington Post, 1301 K Street NW, Washington DC 20071.

Guidelines: [F]ewer than 200 words and take as their starting point an article or other item appearing in The Post.

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NYTimes
letters@nytimes.com

Guidelines: Letters should be exclusive to The New York Times or The International New York Times. We do not publish open letters or third-party letters. -- That is, customize for NYTimes citing a few articles with the objectionable term and noting that the term is pervasive.

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USA Today
letters@usatoday.com -- also need to be under 200 words (fewer the better).


Progressive Magazines

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The Atlantic
letters@theatlantic.com

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Mother Jones
backtalk@motherjones.com
or send snail mail to Backtalk, Mother Jones, P.O. Box 584, San Francisco, CA 94104-0584.

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The American Prospect
David Dayen, Executive Editor, ddayen@prospect.org

The American Prospect
1225 I Street NW, Suite 600, Washington, D.C. 20005
(202) 776-0730
info@prospect.org

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Harper's
Harper’s Magazine
666 Broadway, 11th Floor
New York, NY 10012
212-420-5720

To email us about articles in the magazine:
letters@harpers.org

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The Nation
https://www.thenation.com/letters-editor-0/

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Washington Monthly
1200 18th Street NW
Suite 330
Washington, DC 20036
Tel: 202-955-9010, Fax: 202-955-9011


Cable News and other network news

CNN
https://www.cnn.com/feedback

MSNBC
30 Rockefeller Plaza
New York, N.Y. 10112

ABC News
https://abcnews.go.com/contact
List of contacts for specific shows
https://abcnews.go.com/contact

NBC News
Assistant Managing Editor for Politics
Gregg Birnbaum / Gregg.Birnbaum@nbcuni.com

Assistant Managing Editor for News
Tim Perone / Tim.Perone@nbcuni.com

CBS News
Different contacts for evening weekday and weekend news. See https://www.cbsnews.com/news/contact-information-01-08-1998/


littlemissmartypants

(22,631 posts)
27. If you were to create a unique post for this information then I and others so inclined,
Thu Oct 8, 2020, 05:40 PM
Oct 2020

could bookmark it for future reference. I also suggest cross posting it to the Activists Group
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1011

Awesome post, thanks.

❤ lmsp

pat_k

(9,313 posts)
33. Do you recommend posting with a message . . .
Thu Oct 8, 2020, 06:08 PM
Oct 2020

. . to lobby for change in language, or as a general "contacts" list without specific issue?

LizBeth

(9,952 posts)
6. white supremacist, KKK, Nazi thugs extreme RW terrorists. Nothing about them are militia.
Thu Oct 8, 2020, 03:48 PM
Oct 2020

I have posted on at least 20-25 threads on FB. Change the language.

pat_k

(9,313 posts)
8. I don't think White Supremacists is strong enough.
Thu Oct 8, 2020, 03:52 PM
Oct 2020

White Supremists or Extremists or White Power movement does not capture the fact that their goal is to terrorize POC and anti-racists. Their veiled, and not so veiled, threats to "eliminate" POC and "take back" the country for it's "rightful" white populous are terroristic threats.

To me, they are White Terrorists, plain and simple.

Also, the transition from "White Supremacists" to "White Terrorists" seems the most straightforward.

SWBTATTReg

(22,112 posts)
10. Exactly. Illegal militias. Every one of the fifty states and Wash. DC have outlawed militias, for
Thu Oct 8, 2020, 04:14 PM
Oct 2020

good reason as we can see.

ProfessorGAC

(64,995 posts)
13. Agreed!
Thu Oct 8, 2020, 04:21 PM
Oct 2020

I heard the AG say state charges are being brought. One of the charges was being in a gang.
So, the group meets their state's definition of a gang. In Michigan, they are a terrorist gang.

Brother Mythos

(1,442 posts)
17. I believe Right-wing Terrorists is how these illegal groups should be described by the media.
Thu Oct 8, 2020, 04:57 PM
Oct 2020

They are, after all, "militias" by traditional definition. And, based upon our country's own history, the patriots of the Battles of Lexington and Concord were "militiamen." Therefore, attempting to change the definition of what a "militia" is has uncomfortable consequences.

I also agree that these people are "White Supremacists," "White Terrorists," and "White Supremacist Terrorists."

However, I believe that labeling them instead as "Right-wing Terrorists" would be the most effective way of purging them from our society. My reasoning is that while their being "White Supremacists" and "Terrorists" is certainly true, many of their vast redneck brethren become defensive, and sympathetic to them simply because of the "White" parts of those labels.

But, if instead, we and the media were to label them "Right-wing Terrorists," the redneck, knee-jerk response to defend the "White" parts of the alternate labels would be far less likely to be triggered. In addition, it would place the right-wingers, and especially the far right-wingers, in the position of either having to defend these "militias," or renounce them. And, I can't see where defending them would be very popular. As, after all, isn't "populism" what these right-wingers and their leaders are really all about?

pat_k

(9,313 posts)
23. Good. However. . .
Thu Oct 8, 2020, 05:04 PM
Oct 2020

Personally, I''ll be lobbying to change White Supremacists, White Extremists, White Power movement, Militias, etc. to "White Terrorists." As noted in other posts on the thread, I think this is more accurate and a simpler transition from current language. While Right-Wing Terrorist is a vast improvement, I prefer to see White included because I think this ultimately boils down to racism -- not just "right-wing" beliefs.

If you want to lobby news media to change their language (to whatever you think is best), here's a list of contacts:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214248809#post14

Doreen

(11,686 posts)
29. Do not forget to add HOME GROWN.
Thu Oct 8, 2020, 05:52 PM
Oct 2020

Doing so will leave the chance for some to claim they are foriegn out.

soldierant

(6,846 posts)
31. I don't care what we call them
Thu Oct 8, 2020, 06:03 PM
Oct 2020

as long as it enables us to deal with them the way Greece is finally starting to deal with Golden Dawn.
https://thenib.com/golden-sunset/

warmfeet

(3,321 posts)
34. Treasonous murder gangs.
Thu Oct 8, 2020, 06:09 PM
Oct 2020

Their intent is to kill and to take down the United States government. They are relics from the civil war and from nazi germany. Deal with them now, there may not be a later.

Liberty Belle

(9,534 posts)
39. Vigilante terrorists. Or terrorist vigilantes.
Thu Oct 8, 2020, 06:40 PM
Oct 2020

We don't know if they are all Christian, or even all white, though they are racists.

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