The Turner Diaries

[dhol82]

Just heard about this book. Evidently this is the Bible for the Wolverine Militia.
Just about as bad as the Protocols of Zion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Turner_Diaries

[JHB]

1. It was Tim McVeigh's "bible" too. The Oklahoma City bombing...

...was practically taken straight from the book's plot.

[sweetloukillbot]

2. I worked at Borders in the late 90s

That book inspired McVeigh also.
We carried it - the book came with this big disclaimer on the cover along the lines of "We're publishing this so you can see what racists think and are doing"
Once I had a pair of Nazis come in looking for it - I showed them where it was, and their response was "Not this one! This is the damn Jew edition!"

[dhol82]

5. Well now, the Wolverine boys have latched on to it and are running

It is scary how many crazy right wingers are out there armed and loaded.

[snowybirdie]

3. Timothy McVey, the man

Who blew up the Oklahoma City federal building was a Michigan militia fan and used the Turner Diaries as his Bible

[Wellstone ruled]

4. Yupper.

You just posted the similarities. There usual cover is the American Independence Party. You saw dry runs as well as Occupations of Federal Lands as a precursor to what is now happening.

[dhol82]

8. Is that the Bundy fiasco?

Were they American Independence Party people?
Why were the feds so hesitant to shoot at them?

[Wellstone ruled]

11. Ammon is still stirring the pot

in and around Boise. His Brother is still working the Conspiracy thingee in Iron County Utah.

[Wellstone ruled]

14. American Independence Party

is anchored in Iron County Utah for the most part. They usually have their annual meet and greet and recruiting fest at Brian's Head Ski Area each year. Most of the Utah Republican Party office holders make it their go to event.

[dhol82]

21. Damn, is Utah that right wing? Just curious.

[Wellstone ruled]

22. Two thirds follow

teachings of the Smith Brothers . John Birch Society kind of morphed into the Independence Party over time.

[dhol82]

25. Wow.

[dhol82]

26. So how did the Mormons get won over by a southern baptist?

Was it just hatred, similar political leanings?

[Wellstone ruled]

28. The latter in and around 1976.

[Ferryboat]

6. I read that out of curiosity...

only book that i thought should be burned. Sorry I let it get away.

[brush]

7. I've heard about them both. Don't intend to read either. These nutjobs...

are serious though with their intent at rebellion. But starting a civil war? Come on. If their plot had even started it would've been crushed like that bug on Pence's head in a matter of a few days.

Ruby Ridge, Oklahoma City, the Oregon compound, these nuts don't have the firepower, not to mention the infiltration, communication and intelligence abilities to go against the FBI and local LEOs.

[dhol82]

9. I think we live in different times. Communication is much easier with the internet

To me it looks like the start of our very own ISIS.
They won’t win but they will cause a shitload of mayhem.

[brush]

10. That's how they got caught, their use of the internet and what they thought...

were secret code words. The feds have experts who study these groups for a living and know the the tricks of these amateur, wannabe fascists.

[dhol82]

20. Good.

[3Hotdogs]

12. I agree with O.C. and Oregon as being the fault of right wing nut jobs. But Ruby Ridge and Waco ---

there's enough evidence that these two were A.T.F. fuck-ups.

Gun crazy, pumped up cops are not confined to Lansing or Ferguson.

[brush]

13. Are you saying Ruby Right and Waco were rogue LEOs?

[stopdiggin]

15. Rogue? Don't know about that.

(meaning, outside command structure?) serious problems within operations? Yeaper!

[brush]

17. Be clear. Are you talking about law enforcement screw ups in apprehending the...

plotters or law enforcement was involved in the plot?

[stopdiggin]

19. the former

I've never heard anything about LE being "behind" either (and frankly don't want to either)

[3Hotdogs]

24. Screw-ups.

[3Hotdogs]

16. No. Not rogue

In both cases, over reaction.

Waco.... Koresh was known to the local law enforcement, in fact, on familiar enough to exchange pleasantries. After the disaster, sheriff said he believed he could have invited Koresh to his office and Koresh would have come in.

A.T.F. entered the town and set up a confrontation. Then came Janet Reno's authorization to attack the compound.




R.R. --- negotiations were proceeding until one of the A.T.F. agents shot and killed Weaver's wife.



There are movies about both of these on Netflix.

I agree with the F.B.I. that these groups are dangerous, need to be monitored and arrested when their actions become criminal.

[Hoyt]

18. Nope. The racist Randy Weaver was given 11 days to come out of his encampment after

selling gunz to the Aryan Nation.

I think the child rapists at Waco were given over 50 days.

[Midnight Writer]

23. Also William Milton Cooper book Behold a Pale Horse

Read a review on Amazon yesterday complaining that the edition they sell omits The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

Cooper was shot and killed by police, and is considered a martyr to the cause.

[dhol82]

27. Damn, Cooper was Qanon before it was Qanon.

[Dagstead Bumwood]

29. Thom Hartman was discussing that book on his show today

along with a French book I'd not heard of called "The Camp of the Saints." I had heard of the Turner Diaries but had to Google the second one, and it's in the same vein and considered a must read for the nutjobs.