Total Speculation: Pelosi knows Trump is in extremely bad shape

[Dr. Jack]

I have a theory and the more news we are getting today, the more I think it's correct. The Speaker of the House would likely have tons of inside information and people keeping tabs on individuals like Trump. That shouldn't be all that shocking. Powerful people get tons of information sent to them. Assuming that is indeed the case, Pelosi probably knows better than most people what kind of shape Trump is truly in. It is already extremely hard to believe that he has "beaten covid" as he and his supporters claim. In reality, even with the best medical care in the world (although he is obviously ignoring a lot of medical advice) Trump is still going to have a very rough time actually recovering from Covid.

So, if I'm correct, Pelosi may very well know that Trump is on his last legs, in one way or another, and that is why she is so comfortable to push the 25 amendment. Otherwise, if she was just shooting from the hip, it would be a suggestion that would carry quite a bit of risk without any guarantee it would help anything. Why take a risk with the election only 26 days away and the Democrats polling in landslide territory in the Presidential race, House, and Senate. If Trump wasn't any more of a danger than he usually is or if he was doing ok, then the Dems would be more than happy to sit back and let him implode with all of his deranged twitter screaming and green screen videos.

It wouldn't make any sense unless Pelosi knows something is up. Combine this with Carl Bernstein saying Republican Senators are getting freaked out because they think or know Trump is hiding serious health problems, and Pence canceling his campaign stops. I think something is up....

[Bernardo de La Paz]

1. More speculation is that Pence cancelled Friday's activitiy for a 25th A consultation of some kind.

[Dr. Jack]

4. I edited that in, along with what Carl Bernstein said this afternoon

[AnotherMother4Peace]

12. What did Bernstein say this afternoon? I missed it.

[budkin]

21. Found this on twitter

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/10/senate-republicans-are-furious-and-worried-about-ongoing-cover-up-of-trumps-mental-and-physical-condition-carl-bernstein/

[Dr. Jack]

23. That's the one

[Jarqui]

2. If something happens, which is quite possible with such an erratic person,

she's on the side of right.

But more importantly, it is the right thing to do.
If he's fine, it would be a pretty easy thing to demonstrate.
If he isn't, it is in the best interest of the country to get to the bottom of it and deal with it.

[Captain Zero]

28. Trump's on Hannity tonight at 9p EST

Guess we need to check him out.

[getagrip_already]

48. thanks for watching so I don't have to.....

he just nauseates me. I admit I'm a bad person for enjoying his suffering, but he asks for it. He knew he was sick and still went to the debate, likely really really hoping he would infect biden in the process.

Same for pence.

[SheltieLover]

3. From your keyboard to karma's ears!

[Marius25]

5. But he called fox today

and talked in front of a green screen! He's totally cured!

[AnotherMother4Peace]

11. He's making unhinged, unsupervised phone calls & tweets. Alarms are sounding.

[Dr. Jack]

13. Agreed. I think he is delirious from the drugs he's on

It isn't going to be pretty when he has to stop taking them. All they are doing is suppressing his symptoms by suppressing his immune system. He is going to burn himself out because he feels good right now and his immune system will be too weak to fight the virus. Motherfucker is about to hit a brick wall at 100mph

[tblue37]

62. That's what Dr. Conley claims--totally cured.

[Lonestarblue]

66. He sounds hoarse, so the virus is not gone.

[qazplm135]

6. I mean anything is possible

But I don't know that she wouldn't do this without inside info.

There's plenty of public information to be very concerned.

[LizBeth]

7. Pelosi is smart, and cautious. She doesn't not go out there unless she has reason.

[LuckyCharms]

22. +1

[matt819]

8. Shoot from the hip

Nancy pelosi doesn’t strike me as a shoot from the hip kind of person. She either knows something and/or is confident that her move is a solid one.

You know what, though? I’m a little exhausted living in interesting times.

[Dr. Jack]

9. No, she is a very cold, calculating, cautious person

I don't mean that as an insult, that is what I actually like about her. But bottom line, everything she says and does is very deliberate. She's not a huge risk taker and doesn't just think out loud either. She very much likes having all of her ducks in a row before moving forward with something

[cwydro]

31. I'd go with "cool," not cold.

She’s as cool as a cucumber.

[klook]

34. +1

[Politicub]

71. She's a political genius

I am in awe of how effective she is as Speaker. And she’s tough as nails.

[Voltaire2]

10. Trump is going to crash.

Pelosi doesn't do anything much, other than get her hair done, on a whim. So she most certainly did not start discussing 25th protocols publicly just because it is an interesting topic.

The steroids Trump is on cannot be used for more than 10 days, and the outcome expectations are not great:

A total of 2104 patients were assigned to receive dexamethasone and 4321 to receive usual care. Overall, 482 patients (22.9%) in the dexamethasone group and 1110 patients (25.7%) in the usual care group died within 28 days after randomization (age-adjusted rate ratio, 0.83; 95% confidence interval, 0.75 to 0.93;
The proportional and absolute between-group differences in mortality varied considerably according to the level of respiratory support that the patients were receiving at the time of randomization. In the dexamethasone group, the incidence of death was lower than that in the usual care group among patients receiving invasive mechanical ventilation (29.3% vs. 41.4%; rate ratio, 0.64; 95% CI, 0.51 to 0.81) and among those receiving oxygen without invasive mechanical ventilation (23.3% vs. 26.2%; rate ratio, 0.82; 95% CI, 0.72 to 0.94) but not among those who were receiving no respiratory support at randomization (17.8% vs. 14.0%; rate ratio, 1.19; 95% CI, 0.91 to 1.55).

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2021436

(sorry initial post was garbled because of embedded text.)

[localroger]

16. This, big time

He's manic and feeling great because of the dex, but when it stops working or they have to stop giving it to him he's going to wake up in an abyss of suffering. Pelosi and even some of the Republicans are probably trying to lay some groundwork in case he reacts by trying to burn the whole country down in that state. Trump is the only person in his own orbit who is too addled and weak to understand that the euphoria will pass. When it does he may very well pull a Hitler and try to drag the whole country into the pit with him. He's already doing that with the election extortion on COVID relief, and McConnell is playing a dangerous game himself trying to use that to push his SC nominee. Get the timing even a little wrong and it's mushroom clouds all the way down.

[Evolve Dammit]

26. He'll keep using them until he faceplants and can't be resuscitated. It is what it is...

[OMGWTF]

41. Dafuq you saying all Pelosi does is get her hair done on a whim?

She passed almost 400 bills to help Americans that are sitting on Moscow Mitch’s desk and she impeached Traitor Tot.

[Blue_playwright]

56. Pretty sure the poster meant that...

... the only thing she does do on a whim are trivial things like getting her hair done. Serious stuff is weighed, pondered and plotted.

[niyad]

61. You mis read. The ONLY thing she does on a whim is get her hair done. And I think not even that.

[Upthevibe]

64. OMGWTF....

I also thought WTF when Dafuq saying all Pelosi does is get her hair done on a whim. I read in another post that he/she may have meant she only does unimportant things on a whim....

[Squinch]

74. This. AND, doesn't the dexamethasone suppress the immune system?

[PTWB]

14. Trump MAY crash.

“Is going to” is a little presumptuous. Trump is clearly more ill than he is letting on which is why his recent videos have all had obvious edits, but he is clearly not in such bad shape as to be considered incapacitated (at least not any more incapacitated than he was a year ago...).

It is necessary and appropriate to have a plan in place should Trump become completely incapacitated by COVID. It isn’t a guarantee or even close to a guarantee that will happen though.

[Voltaire2]

20. well if you have ever been on a strong steroid, then you would know that the crash is a certainty.

He might not die, that's not what I meant, but he will be in a serious deep funk for several days when his treatment ends. The good news is that he likely won't die before the election, although he might have to get put back in the presidential icu.

[PTWB]

25. I want him to live long enough to see Biden whip his ass on Election Day

After that I’m done with him and couldn’t care less if he dies the next day.

[panader0]

35. I want him to be tried for crimes, found guilty, and go to jail and then die.

[PTWB]

36. That is the holy grail of justice.

[BlueStater]

40. I just want him gone.

He’s a fucking stain on everything good and decent in this world.

You know if he loses the election he’s going to start that bullshit about it being stolen from him and drag the country through absolute misery in his final two months.

I’d honestly rather him just die from Covid and spare us all that sort of pain.

[OMGWTF]

42. Me too!

[panader0]

45. Dying tonight or soon from covid would be bad for him,

but if he's humiliated and jailed it will be much more painful for him.

[reACTIONary]

65. +100 nt

[Squinch]

75. I used to be in the "trial and punishment" group. But that would just make him suck the air

out of everything for longer. So I'm with you.

If Covid brings him down, I would be just fine with that. We can try and punish the spawn and the enablers.

[BComplex]

77. Plus fox propaganda channel would give him his own news show.

It would be an ongoing apprentice tirade. We'd never hear the end of him.

I think that I would be happiest if COVID got him the day after the election.

[LanternWaste]

50. What's the approximate length of a typical treatment using steroids?

I know less than nothing about the stuff, and that it creates a high that a patient comes down from was news to me when it came out last week.

So I'm wondering when trump's crash, should he have one, would happen.

[luvtheGWN]

54. He needs to be slowly weaned off the dexamethasone.

If his doctors do that, we'll definitely be in for even more interesting times. It's likely he'll go into a deep funk, and the Covid will have its way with him.

I actually feel sorry for the docs who are having to deal with him. Worst patient they will (hopefully for them) ever encounter.

[Blue_playwright]

57. Lol. No shit ...

... I take prednisone for an allergy about once a year. And the high includes mania based cleaning sprees and bedtime hallucinations. The crash is massive. And mine is a tiny fraction of the crap the Orange Shart Stain is on.

[Dem2theMax]

58. The recovery from Covid-19 alone is going to take quite a while.

Toss in steroid withdrawal?

[Generic Brad]

63. Plus the other stimulants he is addicted to

He couldn't get them at Walter Reed and I suspect he was Jonsing to get back to his Adderall stash. His extreme behavior makes me think he is on something else.

[Dem2theMax]

73. Heaven only knows what other issues he has going on,

besides the Adderall. Other drugs, other health issues.
His body is a walking time bomb.

[regnaD kciN]

15. The Pence campaign said "no one is sick and no one tested positive"...

...but never said "no one has died."

Get the feeling that 45 may be on ice right now, and the White House is keeping it quiet until Pence is safely back in D.C. to take the oath? Announcing Trump's demise while his successor is still out on the road could lead some of our adversaries to try to test whether we're equipped to deal with an unexpected threat.

[sunnybrook]

17. They also said he will be traveling

Both Saturday and Monday. But of course they are deeply dishonest so that probably doesn't matter...

[Squinch]

76. But if they said no one is sick, that means someone is sick. And someone new tested positive.

[Mr. Ected]

18. He has nobody local to hold him in check - no one. The chickens have flown the coup.

The man is untethered and without guardian. We are all in grave danger.

[Evolve Dammit]

27. agreed

[duforsure]

19. I think she knows his body is starting to shut down, and has the goods on him and putin,

And is about to give him a way out. Pence could be on stand by to get sworn in as President.

[liberalla]

24. Wow, when I read your post it rang true to me. It seemed REAL.

And I thought, yes, that's what she would do.

[FakeNoose]

39. He's gonna croak - and soon

... but I'd rather he does it as a private citizen. I sure hope Nancy can convince him to resign. Like - this weekend!

If the Watergate/Nixon resignation is any kind of precedent, it was the Republican Senators who finally convinced Nixon that he had no choice. He had to resign, and he did ... rather quickly once it became obvious.

[Upthevibe]

68. duforsure....

....Very interesting possibility....

[LovingA2andMI]

29. Something Is Up...

Friday News Drop?

[warmfeet]

30. I hope he is on his last legs.

That would be very good news indeed.

[Marius25]

32. Doctors say he can go back to public engagements

on Saturday, so not sure he's in bad shape.

[Mr.Bill]

37. Same doctors who have

done nothing but lie to us so far?

[yaesu]

38. I haven't read any official reports of any doctors saying he can be in public for anything

and links to which doctor said this?

[Marius25]

49. Conley it looks like said it.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-trump/white-house-doctor-says-trump-coronavirus-therapy-completed-could-return-to-public-events-saturday-idUSKBN26T0KU

At this point, I'm not sure he's even a real doctor. He just seems to play one on TV.

[wnylib]

60. NPR is reporting this, too. They say that

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Conley says that Trump has completrd his course of med treatment and is free to go out and about on Saturday this week.

I know. Sounds impossible. But that's the official report. Pretty disappointing, isn't it?

[RainCaster]

33. The dems 25th play has the GOP clutching their pearls

What happens if they declare DFT unfit and Pence is out of town? Does Nancy automatically become POTUS? Oh how horrible! She will make us all communist incels!



I can hear those weasels whining into their baby bottles.

[bucolic_frolic]

43. Augmenting Dem election chances and the looming Supreme Court hearings are more likely possibilities

It's not about what she knows. Of course she knows. Half of Washington knows, and 3/4 of the intelligent people in the country know. For more in-depth is the strategy - timing, powerful people, committees, institutions - she activates. A major push for 25A this weekend perhaps even holding Pence derelict of duties. Major parts of the puzzle are in motion, and teasing out the tea leaves is a national pastime. I'd bet Carl Bernstein knows.

[klook]

44. Trump knows Pence was eager to be named the nominee in 2016.

McCay Coppins confirmed this in 2017 (Mediaite link).

So ramping up his paranoia that Mikey the Flyboy is chomping at the bit to pull a Brutus now is a great move, designed to stimulate palace intrigue and infighting.

[abakan]

46. or she could be

Messing with his head! She knows how she can get in his brain and take whatever space is in there.
Go Nancy, go.

[ecstatic]

47. An astrologer seems to think he'll be gone by this weekend

10 minutes in.

"Will Trump Survive?" Acyuta-bhava Dasa

[WyattKansas]

51. Hmm... Could it be that the Economy is about to crash worse than 2007 without a Stimulus?

And Republicans know a crash is coming as well and tRUMP is in Loonyland gibbering about,

'NO NO NO, maybe, NO, NO, where's my cheezbergs and two scoops, yes maybe, NO NO, okay, (insert farting and a profanity tirade tantrum) NO, maybe, I'm the bestest ever, NO, I don't know'...

Republican Senators: 'Fuck him, who knows?'

[JohnQFunk]

52. THis is gonna be one helluva f&%ing October Surprise if you're right.

I think we can probably rule out Hunter Biden shenanigans moving the needle much.

[kairos12]

53. Rethugs would never, ever do this. They want

that SCOTUS seat above all things. They don’t care if a mad man has the nuke codes. All part of the Rapture in any case.

[George II]

55. I've gotten up each morning this week expecting (not hoping) that he's taken a turn for the worse.

[C Moon]

59. There was a Sinatra story I read in a biography.

He went to the doctor because he wasn’t feeling well. The doctor asked how many drinks a day he had. He said something like 40. The doctor asked, “How do you get up in the morning, Frank?” He replied, “I don’t get up in the morning—and I need a new doctor!”

I think that’s what will happen: Trump will find a doctor who will do what he wants: keep him in the steroids.

[LisaM]

67. I had the TV on but was just listening, not watching, and Trump's voice....

he sounded like a seriously ill person. It was jarring. Of course, his bombastic, creepy voice has always annoyed me, but this was different.

[catbyte]

70. He was on the phone with Maria Bartiromo for an hour today so that might have something

to do with it. I'm just so over him that I couldn't care less at this point, sigh. I think we all are.

[world wide wally]

69. Sounds like he will be certified soon.

[Wash. state Desk Jet]

72. If you are looking at the 25th. ,you really must consider

the election loss does not rid the nation of Trump until January 20 th. 2021. So yes indeed high cause for forced removal. (sound the alarm ).