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[napi21]

1. I'm not trying to be a jerk, but I might wear that top on a date, but not on a plane, train or bus.

I understand the heat in Chicago, but maybe a loose light weight blouse might be more appropriate.

[ProfessorGAC]

2. Leaning Your Way

I've flown hundreds of times. I think I would find it odd someone would wear a swim suit on a plane. No offensive, just odd.
And, it was 70 something here for a few days. 70s not 90s. Seems a weird reason for the choice of top.
Nobody wearing a plain old shirt would feel uncomfortable. It's been a gorgeous week.
But, I'm still glad she got the refund. Getting booted is pretty embarrassing.

[Ms. Toad]

11. She actually didn't get booted.

The pilot gave her a T-shirt, which she consented to wear (after delaying the plane for 30 minutes), then took off partway through the flight.

[ProfessorGAC]

17. I Misinterpreted

I thought she passed on the option they offered.
Must have scanned too quickly.

[Ms. Toad]

18. I got sucked into watching the multiple tweeted videos

including one in which she held the camera waist high pointing up at her breasts. I don't know how clear the article made it.

[cwydro]

21. Eww.

I missed those.

[Ms. Toad]

22. Lucky you.

I was curious as to what public reaction was, so I was going through the twitter feed - and before I got to responses there were 2-3 more videos.

[hlthe2b]

6. All I can think of is sweaty skin. Doesn't matter if a guy wearing skimpy tank (or no shirt at all)

or a woman. Those planes make it all but impossible to avoid inadvertent skin contact.

I don't think it is too much to ask that everyone wear at least a tee shirt.

Sorry, but Americans have become real pigs when it comes to travel. Much worse than other countries and I have traveled extensively.

[cwydro]

8. 77 is hot?

I’d hate to see what she’d think of the heat in NC.

[PatSeg]

15. I agree

That is too much for public transportation. At the beach or a backyard barbeque maybe, but not an airplane.

[Phoenix61]

3. I totally get the "If you got it flaunt it" philosophy

That being said, wearing what looks exactly like a bathing suit top on a plane is probably not going to work out too well.

[Massacure]

4. "lewd, obscene, and patently offensive" is overly vague and open to interpretation.

If they changed it to something more in line with "passengers shall wear a top which covers the entire torso below the armpits and above the waist, Southwest would would be well within their right to deny this passenger boarding. Their current policy is just asking for trouble, IMO.

[Ms. Toad]

14. They actually couldn't find the language they quoted to her.

The actual language requires "tasteful," which is equally fuzzy - but less offensive.

I agree, they need to just change it to what you suggested.

[left-of-center2012]

5. She got a free plane ride

And her name and photo all over the news.

[cwydro]

12. This.

Spot on.

[SharonClark]

9. I'll be blunt - she's the one over-sexualizing

her body. Her stating “as a black woman...not fair to me” is disrespectful to black women and men who have been subjected to over-sexualization throughout history.

[Sherman A1]

26. +1

[Ms. Toad]

10. I would not want to be seated next to her in that top

any more than I would want to be seated next to an old white guy with his hairy chest sticking out of a deep V with his belly sticking out below a partialy buttoned shirt

That's beach attire, not plane attire.

[cwydro]

37. Exactly.

White woman or black woman, white man or black man, just no.

[mcar]

13. Sorry, no

A. 77 isn't hot, wherever you live.

B. Even if you were flying to Florida, where it's still in the 90s, you could have worn a shirt over your bathing suit top and taken it off when you get outside.

C. Airports, and airplanes, generally have the AC cranked up. That's where you were spending the bulk of your time.

D. This had nothing to do with her race or gender. It's just not appropriate for an airport or plane.

BTW, I feel the same way when I see men with unbuttoned shirts, their hairy chests and beer bellies there for all to see, walk into grocery stores.

[cwydro]

23. Thank you.

[MiniMe]

16. I would freeze in that top in 77 degree weather.

So I personally wouldn't wear that top. At least she has a mask on.

[XanaDUer2]

19. She looks ridiculous

It's a bathing suit. Why is there no common sense anymore?

[cwydro]

24. I'd never fly these "economy" airlines just for this reason.

Southwest has a good record, a shame people abuse their good will.

[XanaDUer2]

29. Flight attendants aren't paid enough

Truly

[cwydro]

32. No kidding!

[AlexSFCA]

20. vague language - offensive to whom?

I wouldn’t call it lewd. Certainly not offensive to me. Maybe a bit disrespectful to the people she would sit next to. Unless it was not a full flight. That’s not an unusual outfit for a hot weather. Her nipples are not exposed. Is this about the cleavage or her belly? I bet if her boobs were much smaller, no one would say a thing. And yes, if it were a white woman, this would be complete non issue.
I never heard of southwest dress policy, is there a fine print somewhere when you book a flight? never seen it.
Freedom of expression is constitutional right and is to be celebrated not shamed. Madonna would have sued the hell out of southwest.

[napi21]

40. Has nothing to do with being black! It's not appropriate attire for public travel. nt

[Beaverhausen]

43. Wouldn't anyone assume there is a dress policy?

That’s simply too much exposed skin for a plane flight.

For a date or a trip to the beach it’s fine.

And newsflash - most planes get really cold once you take off. I always bring a sweater on a flight and always have to put it on.

[Gidney N Cloyd]

25. It's the Gatsby Swing Top.

Sue Ellen Mischke would be proud.

[stillcool]

27. the things people get all wigged out about...

she needs to be white, blonde, and with smaller breasts.

[CloudWatcher]

28. Patently offensive

Sorry, but I think the "snacks" Southwest serves us are a lot more "patently offensive" than what she's wearing!

[ironflange]

30. I remember when people would get dressed up nice for a plane ride

[cwydro]

33. I do too.

But hell, we used to get dressed up to go “downtown!”

[ironflange]

35. My mom would even dress up for a doctor's appointment

[cwydro]

38. I flew a lot in the 60s, and it sure looks like no plane I ever flew on.

We flew Pan Am and BOAC a lot.

We dressed up.

[ironflange]

41. Yeah, I knew it was a mockup

But that's what it looked like circa 1969.

[ironflange]

44. True that

It would be nice to actually have ceilings that high.

[bluecollar2]

31. As a former airline mechanic

My advice is to avoid, to the greatest extent possible, skin contact with aircraft seat coverings...

Don't ask...

[Sogo]

39. This....

[Ilsa]

34. The last time I flew, I got a chill during flight.

It was hotter than hell on the ground, though.

I usually wear a short sleeve, but not sleeveless top in summer on a flight.

[Klaralven]

45. If you dress well for travel, you are likely to be treated well by service personnel.