The uncounted COVID cases, from speaking with our neighbors this morning

[beachbumbob]

I saw our neighbors for the first time in over 3 weeks and to tell you the truth I was getting ready to call for wellness check. I talked with him this morning and they both have COVID and been recovering at home. They were exposed to it 4 weeks and about 4 days later both of them starting experiencing the classic symptoms. Neither one has bothered to get a COVID test as its pretty apparent they had it and since no one is doing contact tracing, they notified the people themselves they been in contact. My neighbor says he still lacks energy and still is "foggy" in his thinking.

So that begs the question how many 10's of thousands of COVID infected people have never got a COVID test who had all the symptoms of COVID? I suspect its not a small number.

This shit is real when someone 100ft away from you has COVID or recovering from COVID.

[JCMach1]

1. I tested negative and felt it was pointless when it hit

A few days behind schedule (had been exposed). I was about 12 days with what for me was the viral portion of the disease.



My case would have never been recorded but for my lungs failing and landing in ICU.


Let me leave everyone with a caution. For a lot of patients Covid comes with what I can only describe as brain fog/dementia/mental challenges during the disease process. I had it quite bad. It heavily impairs judgement about anything. This includes medical care.

Keep your oximeter handy, mask up, stay alive friends.

[beachbumbob]

15. what surpise me. is both people in that household are highrisk and took great pains

with protect themselves but went to a labor day family get together where they were not doing it and thats where they got it. I think self-denial in the beginning stage stopped them from getting tested and a week or 2 later, seemed like a useless step to take, No way to know either are "over" it either

[JCMach1]

18. I think u are correct. We were super super careful, but my

Wife had a business trip to WA. It got her and it came home on the sly.

[mucifer]

2. One thing that makes me feel that surgical masks really work is that in

hospitals the staff are really unable to social distance and are using these masks with non covid patients and with each other. I don't hear about huge outbreaks in these hospitals from them being together, wearing the masks indoors and not social distancing.

[Walleye]

4. Even if the mask doesn't prevent it, it reduces the viral load and probably the severity

[Hugin]

7. +1

Keep on emphasizing that!

[ProfessorGAC]

12. I Read 90/90

In 90% of cases, masks reduce viral by 90%
They probably rounded, but it's easy to remember the 90/90 idea.
BTW: that 90% thing involved being masked around an non-masked infected person
Masks are very important PPE for one's self.

[Walleye]

13. Wow, good to know. The other side loves to call it common sense. Looks like they never had any.

[mucifer]

17. That totally makes sense. At the pediatric hospital I visit for work

they give you a procedure/surgical mask when you go in. The staff and all visitors vendors have to wear them. No social distancing and things are indoors and under control.

It just makes me think that it is safe to be indoors visiting people in the cold winter not eating but with masks on.

I really think it's the taking off your mask to eat that's a huge deal and I don't know what they can do about restaurants surviving. That part is so horrible!

[Lars39]

25. Hospitals tend to have better air flow, though.

[JCMach1]

9. The setup at Baylor that saved me includes modified

Negative pressure in patient rooms at all times. The small units remove all air from room to outside building.

This and full ppe is how the caregivers are able to save us.

In short you could walk the hall of the Covid ward with no mask and be kinda safe (not recommended). Enter a room (ppe up) and nothing is coming out via air anyway

[phylny]

29. Great point, and I agree with you.

It makes me crazy seeing people in stores without masks.

My 93-year-old dad is staying with us (he splits his time between us and my brother/sister-in-law). He doesn't have a lot of activities left, but he loves going to the grocery store, CVS, or Dollar Tree to look around and shop. We both keep our distance from others, wear masks, and use hand sanitizer and then wash our hands once we come home. I told him before he came to be with us, I would go shopping at 6:30 in the morning or order and pick up at the local Kroger grocery, but have gone in-person with him so he can get out, walk with the cart, etc. This might have to end. Makes me angry and sad.

[BainsBane]

34. There are outbreaks in hosptials

I heard about one, through a medical provider, but I never saw it mentioned on the news.

[kimbutgar]

3. I hear on my local news of police finding dead people in their homes who have died of Covid

And were discovered though wellness checks. Family members, coworkers and neighbors who haven’t heard from the person. Also they find a lot of dead homeless people. I wonder if they are added in the count?

[JCMach1]

10. Sad sad fact because of the dementia I mentioned AND

How quickly the respiratory (and other fatal parts hit).

I had NO warning when my lungs failed. From 95 oxygen to dying.

[Midnight Writer]

26. A group of older people in my town have initiated wellness checks through a phone circle.

They try to call older people, especially those that are alone, and keep contact every week or so.

I was on their list, even though I did nothing to join it. I guess it was "I know an old codger who is alone" and they started calling, just to say hello and ask me how I am doing.

I thought it was a good idea, but I haven't heard from them in quite a while. I don't know if it is still going.

[Delmette2.0]

30. I text my son a smiley face every day at the same time.

I have an alarm set on my phone to remind me. If I don't send the smiley he calls me as soon as he has a chance.

I feel better with this system because it's quick and I don't interrupt him at work.

[Hugin]

5. International organizations are estimating that the disease occurrence is 10x higher than...

what is indicated by the tests world wide.

In the US...

[Klaralven]

36. Cumulative US cases is getting close to 8 million. 10x would be 80 million.

80 million would be approaching the mythical "herd immunity" and cases should slow without precautions. Since that's not happening, I doubt the 10x.

I think a multiplier of 2x or 4x is much more likely.

[Hugin]

40. Interesting observation, Klaralven.

Another number which came out recently was the number of excess unattributed deaths in the US from the CDC. (For the 1/2 year or quarter, I think.)

It was surprisingly close to the number of reported COVID deaths. Easily within 10%. So, I'm still viewing the reported COVID deaths as pretty accurate.

So, far the cult's efforts to launder the COVID numbers in their political favor may be obscuring the spikes, but, not the trends.

If your speculation is correct, as it may very well be, I have no idea.

Then testing in the US may be better than my cynical view.

Because, many people here in the US are practicing some combination of the avoid, distance, or masking protocols. A lower percentage of cases would be expected and I'd tend to believe your guess of around 2 to 4x the reported number.

Good job!

[Runningdawg]

6. Even a broken clock is right twice a day

"If you test, the numbers are going to be higher" DJT
I believe it was about May, all 5 members of the family across the street had it. They didn't tell anyone until weeks later. It's not a secret where they got it, they have a bumper sticker on their car for a mega church here in Tulsa that has refused to follow protocol. If Tulsa were to do contract tracing my bet is the superspreaders would be casinos and churches. Both I see packed and people coming and going with no masks.

[kurtcagle]

8. Add in as well

deaths attributed to other causes that had Covid as the instigator. Ive seem this shadow tally estimated as 50% of reported cases. That would put Covid on track to be as bad as the Spanish Flu at the same stage.

[BusyBeingBest]

11. My adult kid was sick at one point about a month ago

and didn't get tested (but stayed home from work)--fever and chills but no cough, no chest pain, no shortness of breath. Went away in a couple days and he feels fine now. Because he didn't have "classic" symptoms beyond a low grade fever, he didn't think it was coronovirus and also didn't want a swab shoved into his brain. Lots of people like that.

[eppur_se_muova]

14. IIRC NYC showed the number of people found dead in their homes has spiked significantly ...

... during the pandemic, so they could establish by statistical methods that large numbers of COVID-infected people were dying at home alone.

[LAS14]

16. We'll have a better idea in January, when they can do account of excess to normal...

...deaths in the country. They can extrapolate from that to total COVID cases.

[Maru Kitteh]

19. A DU'er yesterday had an OP about being pissed they had "a cold." Didn't get tested.

People think they'll know if they get/have COVID. Maybe, but maybe not. You have to test. It's a massive problem.

[yardwork]

20. I heard the same thing a few days ago.

Somebody we hired to do some work on the house told me that he and his wife "had COVID" last Spring. Didn't get tested, had fairly mild symptoms, recovered at home. Who knows if they really had COVID or something else instead.

My former MIL died in March of seemingly obvious COVID symptoms. Her Skilled Nursing Facility in FL refused to test her. Cause of death doesn't list COVID.

Under Trump, the United States has been criminally negligent in handling this pandemic. We will never know how many people had COVID, or the actual number who died of it. We've done virtually no contact tracing.

[LiberalArkie]

31. Trump knows that the testing will increase under Biden, the dead will be tested, etc.

He knows that the R's will be pushing how many more people have the Covid and how many more are dying under Biden.

[barbtries]

21. a man i work with got it.

his wife contracted it from their daughter then gave it to him. no doctors, no tests except for the daughter, who was positive. not an unusual scenario. the numbers are under reported. Redfield himself said in July that there could be 10 times as many cases as were reported.

[magicarpet]

22. The Fascist Rethugs will try to miscout the Covid deaths to make themselves and trDump look,...

.... good on paper.

But it will come out in the wash because there will be a major spike in unlabeled deaths compared to years gone by.

But the Covid deaths will eventually be extrapolated from the massive spike in total annual deaths.

Insurance companies will sort it out because the accuracy is needed to determine their bottom line profits/losses

[stillcool]

23. getting tested, even for those with symptoms...

has been no easy task. If you don't have a temperature of 101.4, no test. Remember that? The lack of PPE, the lack of standardized anything. A federal government hell-bent on limiting the 'numbers' has done just that.

[lostnfound]

24. It was really easy to get a test at CVS in NC

Scheduled appointment on line for a day and. A half later, results two days after test.
Free of charge with insurance.

[stillcool]

38. I'm not sure when tests became more available here..

I live in MA. We were in the thick of it pretty quickly. Strange that North Carolina had no issues in the early days. I wonder why?
Perhaps it is the blue state issue?

[lostnfound]

41. This was just a few days ago

I don’t know How long. I was surprised.

[Illumination]

27. In my 55+ apartment building, one resident (2 doors down) thinks she may have had C-19.

She's not reaching out to get the care she needs though. My best friend is also not getting the care she should. She has a hole in her heart & refuses to get eye surgery because she's afraid of C-19. Another one had a do not disturb sign sign on her door knob for awhile. We've had several C-19 cases here already. Our newspaper carrier often wears no mask as well as delivery employees...There's so many more shenanigans going on also...

[58Sunliner]

28. I was told by someone who does tissue testing on hospital deaths in a major city hospital

that all testing has come back positive for COVID exposure since end of Jan 2020.

[Demobrat]

32. How do you get a test

when you live alone and you can barely get out of bed? And you’re told to stay home so as not to infect others? Food and medicine can be delivered, but not tests.

[Native]

35. And if you ask a friend or relative to take you to a clinic, you're asking them to risk exposure.

I know I'd be unable to to do that.

[Demobrat]

37. Exactly

I couldn’t either.

[jaxexpat]

33. What irks me the most is people who refer to Covid in the past tense.

As if it's gone or at least isn't problematic enough to worry about. News people let them get away with that all the time. That blissful ignorance is like a loaded gun pointed at the heads of everybody. It is the product of a months long mis/dis information campaign against the health of the general public.
Mega churches without social distancing requirements should be especially ashamed, persecuted, prosecuted and closed. That ain't Jesus' way folks. That's just to keep the tithes coming in regularly so the banks don't howl. Jesus didn't care much for banks' relationships with places of worship. And I don't care for banks or crooked preachers who think it's their right to shake down poor people for their 10%.

[wnylib]

39. I think I had a mild case from

mid April to mid May. The symptoms did not follow the recognized ones for covid at the time, so I did not think that was it. Only several weeks later did I learn that my symptoms could have been covid.

No sore throat, fever, or cough. But I had muscle aches, runny nose, conjunctivitis, vertigo, nausea, chest tightness, headache, and felt weak and fatigued. Headaches are extremely rare for me. This one was not a sharp or localized pain. My whole head felt like it was under pressure and would explode from the inside. I did not notice a loss of smell or taste, but when I started to feel better after about 4 weeks, one day I suddenly noticed that food had a great taste and smell. Started noticing other smells, too. So I missed recognizing the loss, but did notice the return.

I am 70, with some health issues. If I did have it, the only explanation I can think of for a mild case instead of a worse one is that the viral load exposure was low. Also, I have been taking a vitamin D supplement daily for years, due to a previous deficiency in it, along with a B complex that includes zinc and vitamin C.

By the time I suspected the symptoms, I had been well again for several weeks. Too late for a diagnostic test. I requested an antibodies test from the PA at my med provider's office, but he refused to order it. He mistakenly assumed that I wanted to "prove" immunity and lectured me about the uncertainty of immunity after infection.

From what I have read, the antibodies can be detected around 2 to 3 months after being infected, but can drop to undetectable levels after 3 to 4 months.

I had a yearly wellness physical a week ago. All labs came out very good. The NP that I saw did include a covid antibodies test. It came back negative, but since it had been 5 months by then, it's possible that I did have it but antibodies are not detectable any more.

I assume for my own protection that I did not have it or if I did, that I am not immune. I wear a mask, carry sanitizer when I go out, wash hands immediately when I get home, and wipe down everything I bring home with sanitizing wipes. I avoid crowds and people without masks, including those with noses hanging out, which is the same as not wearing one. The only places I go are a grocery store (where the owner/manager is strict about masks), the drug store, and my local library where masks, sanitizing, and distancing are nearly as strict as a hospital.

[halfulglas]

42. Probably thousands of us.

I had presumed Covid in July. I'm retired and live alone. Wasn't going to ask family to drive me for a test and risk spread to rest of family or drive to a test site with pounding headache and fever so I figured I would save the available tests for others, even though my state had easy availability (though not necessarily quick results. I figured it might be mostly over by the time the results came back. The fever and headaches lasted about 12 days. Surprisingly the respiratory symptoms hit at the end with some trouble deep breathing and wheeze on talking, but got gradually better. I had some fatigue, brain fog and night sweats that lasted a lot longer, but still kept no contact for about a month, just in case. It wasn't like I needed food, during the fever I couldn't eat any solids (plus I have food in my freezer) but I drank a lot. I was obsessed with the pulse oximeter and thermometer for almost a month

I get really pissed, though, when I see the people thoroughly enjoying life with no thought to protecting those around them. It just doesn't seem very fair to the rest of us. I don't want them to die, but I wouldn't mind if they get a bit of a scare and suffer a little. I get questions from others, like how do you really know you had it? Well, I've never had anything like this in my life. People sometimes say why are you wearing a mask - you're probably immune. Well, I don't know that, so I mask up.

HINT I'VE LEARNED FOR COTTON MASKS: My DIL likes essential oils and gave me a Thieves Oil spray. It's light but I now spray the inside of my mask and let it dry before going out. The mask still gets a little hot, but it smells so much better and the smell lasts for hours. If you will be out for longer take an extra mask also sprayed with you and change out in the car if you are making several stops. It helps! I've made a few other sprays with other scents with essential oil and water. I'm learning to enjoy some of the small simple things.