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Sun Oct 11, 2020, 01:13 PM

Bad Apple Trees

“Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent.” -- Isaac Asimov


It's not like we didn't know. Hell, I'm old enough to remember the bombing of the Birmingham church in 1963, that killed Addie Mae Collins, Cynthis Wesley, Carole Robertson, and Carol Denise McNair, and wounded more than twenty other people. Martin Luther King, Jr., called it "one of the most vicious and tragic crimes ever perpetrated against humanity." And I remember that there were no criminal charges pressed against those who bombed the church until one of the four thugs was finally convicted in 1977, despite the FBI's knowing their identies from 1965 on.

The gaggle of turds that were planning to "overthrow" the government of the state of Michigan are of the same basic make-up as the klansmen who bombed that church, or one of the many other bombings from that era. The sheriff that shared a stage with one of the terrorists now claims the group were merely doing what many others wanted to do -- arrest the governor. In the past, that claim would have been a successful defense strategy for the defendants' legal defense. But not today.

An associate told me that the pictures of the terrorists made them look like in-bred clowns, not equal to the accomplishments of their grandiose intentions. While I agree on the first part -- for they indeed look like a branch that split off from human evolution a million years ago, resulting in what is known as the Louie Gohmert missing but unmissed link -- they are extremely dangerous. The information that they were accessing explosives confirms that which I spoke of in my August 28 essay here, "The Troubles."

It's bad enough when white trash has access to guns. It's far worse when they gain explosives. And it is at the worst point when they have associates, such as a sheriff, on their team. Again, we have witnessed the synergy of these things in the Jim Crow era, the Civil Rights Movement era, and in Northern Ireland during the Troubles. Hateful, dull-witted people can do an extreme amount of damage. They can cause suffering and death within a community.

As I understand it, there is a possibility of more arrests being made on this case alone. Yet this case is in no sense "alone," as it is part of a much larger problem. The fact that this was taking place in a state with a Democratic governor -- and a woman, at that -- gives hint to what we can rationally expect when Joe Biden and Kamal Harris kick Trump and Pence's pale white asses out of Washington, DC.

This weekend, while on facebook, I've noted that a growing number of the rednecks I went to school with are recognizing that Joe Biden is going to win the election. They are unhappy with this reality. As that recognition sinks down into the lower depths of the Trump cult, it will go beyond despair. They will seek to strike out at the civil society.

I am reminded of Malcolm X's historic speech, "The Ballot or the Bullet," from April, 1963. In this instance, we will win by way of the ballot, and the brain-dead thugs will likely respond with the bullet. Yet Malcolm also taught that in the jungle, there are not only hunters, but those who hunt the hunters. In the past week, we saw that Michigan's state police and the FBI hunting the hunters. This is a good thing.

At the same time, with this dip-shit sheriff, we do recognize that "bad policing" isn't simply a case of a few bad apples. Since you can tell a tree by its fruit, it is clear that we must remove the poison trees from the orchard of society. And that specfically means the friends, associates of, and members the terrorist white nationalist groups that have become employed in law enforcement. Just as this is something that could never happen under a Trump administration, with its white nationalist members (including Trump), it can and must start happening in 2021.

Be awake, Be alert. Stay safe. And vote.
H2O Man

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H2O Man Oct 2020 OP
Stuart G Oct 2020 #1
H2O Man Oct 2020 #29
Liberal Jesus Freak Oct 2020 #2
H2O Man Oct 2020 #30
Paladin Oct 2020 #3
H2O Man Oct 2020 #31
Me. Oct 2020 #4
H2O Man Oct 2020 #32
Me. Oct 2020 #38
ihas2stinkyfeet Oct 2020 #5
I_UndergroundPanther Oct 2020 #7
ihas2stinkyfeet Oct 2020 #8
I_UndergroundPanther Oct 2020 #9
ihas2stinkyfeet Oct 2020 #10
H2O Man Oct 2020 #34
I_UndergroundPanther Oct 2020 #39
H2O Man Oct 2020 #33
coeur_de_lion Oct 2020 #6
erronis Oct 2020 #18
H2O Man Oct 2020 #36
H2O Man Oct 2020 #35
coeur_de_lion Oct 2020 #42
Hekate Oct 2020 #11
colorado_ufo Oct 2020 #12
blueinredohio Oct 2020 #13
sandensea Oct 2020 #16
coeur_de_lion Oct 2020 #43
sandensea Oct 2020 #44
colorado_ufo Oct 2020 #14
malaise Oct 2020 #15
grantcart Oct 2020 #17
burrowowl Oct 2020 #19
malaise Oct 2020 #27
iluvtennis Oct 2020 #20
erronis Oct 2020 #21
alwaysinasnit Oct 2020 #22
PWPippinesq Oct 2020 #23
Nevilledog Oct 2020 #24
live love laugh Oct 2020 #25
Thunderbeast Oct 2020 #26
moondust Oct 2020 #28
CaliforniaPeggy Oct 2020 #37
peggysue2 Oct 2020 #40
spanone Oct 2020 #41

Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sun Oct 11, 2020, 01:17 PM

1. K and R..Thanks for posting, Your words repeated: "Be awake,Be Alert, Stay Safe & Vote."

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Response to Stuart G (Reply #1)

Sun Oct 11, 2020, 05:46 PM

29. Thank you, Stuart G.

It really bothers me to see those thugs seeking to harm Gretchen Whitmer. Cowardly pups. Malcolm used to point out how cowardly they were -- always attacking as a group, out of the darkness, often wearing masks to hide their identity. Yet cowards can be dangerous, especially in groups.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sun Oct 11, 2020, 01:24 PM

2. Excellent observations as always! n/t

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Response to Liberal Jesus Freak (Reply #2)

Sun Oct 11, 2020, 05:47 PM

30. Thanks!

Much appreciated.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sun Oct 11, 2020, 01:32 PM

3. Well said. Thanks. (nt)

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Response to Paladin (Reply #3)

Sun Oct 11, 2020, 05:47 PM

31. Thank you!

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sun Oct 11, 2020, 01:37 PM

4. It Is My Contention That...

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While we have had these especially hateful groups since the time of the Civil War, ever since word began to seep out that whites were steadily losing their majority it has been amped up. THe fear is so desperate that violence is their only seeming response.

As to policing as a side note...the police in NYC are scared to death apparently. THe closest station is a block away from me and they have put up barricades on the sidewalk and at times access to the street itself has been blocked off so cars coulldn't even drive the street. It has gotten so bad that the City Council president is suing them because their actions are against the city charter. And last week, about 50 deliverymen stood in front of the precinct quietly and basically just stared. THey need help because their deliveries are being stolen and the police are doing nothing and they want the cops to do their jobs. Further, there has been so much noise from helicopters over head that a petition has been making the rounds. The other day from 4am to 8am they circled round and round, as an example, waking people and keeping them up with the noise.

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Response to Me. (Reply #4)

Sun Oct 11, 2020, 05:51 PM

32. So many of my

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friends say that this isn't the country they grew up in. (In my case, it is more accurate to say "the country I have aged in." ) The election won't be a return to the normal we once knew, and too often took for granted. But it will be a giant leap in the right direction.

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #32)

Sun Oct 11, 2020, 06:18 PM

38. I Agree

Though I don't agree about the growing up part, I think your kids have raised you well....

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sun Oct 11, 2020, 01:45 PM

5. is 'gaggle of turds' the accepted collective noun? i like it.

 

your mention of the troubles reminds me of an interview on 'fresh air' many years ago w an insider in the ira who wrote a book.
he said the ira was taken over by sociopaths and then sadist.
seems self evident. his tales were harrowing.

i cant wait for the repentant to write their books. perhaps it will finally kill the klan in this country.
a tall order to be sure. but we must keep hope alive.

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Response to ihas2stinkyfeet (Reply #5)

Sun Oct 11, 2020, 02:28 PM

7. Sociopathy

And narcissism needs to not be part of society or our culture or our lives.

Dark triads are incurable.
They don't change and have no desire to.

Sociopathy that is found in government or other places of power must be stopped and those sociopaths cast out.

Lay people need to learn what dark triad people are.
How to recognize them and protect themselves and thier freinds and families from them..


Than they won't treat them as normal people,because the dark triads aren't normal,or safe to allow into power or into our lives.

Reject sociopathy and narcissism.

Drive sociopathy out until they are made powerless
And unable to harm others. There are more people with empathy than there are dark triads.

The republican party is the dark triad party.it needs to go to the dustbin of history and stay there. Thier beliefs and ideals seen as the criminal,selfish evil things they are. Hold them accountable for every anti social thing they do from telling lies,abusing others,financial crimes and more.

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Response to I_UndergroundPanther (Reply #7)

Sun Oct 11, 2020, 02:35 PM

8. yup.

 

if there is anything good to come out of the last 4 years it is the education a lot of us are getting into just how wrong the human brain can get.

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Response to ihas2stinkyfeet (Reply #8)

Sun Oct 11, 2020, 02:39 PM

9. I'd like to see

Short public service announcements ,on tv between commercials that teach people about dark triad behaviors and how to detect them,what to do to get them out of your life and why. Have the shorts offer more resources available on line.

Dark triads need to be explained so people understand the danger these assholes are.

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Response to I_UndergroundPanther (Reply #9)

Sun Oct 11, 2020, 02:50 PM

10. that's a great idea.

 

pics w a dx. gacy. daumer. manson. trump.

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Response to I_UndergroundPanther (Reply #7)

Sun Oct 11, 2020, 06:02 PM

34. Great point.

Thank you for this, for it is essential. Our system too often rewards sociopathic behaviors .....in industry, in the legal system, and even is school/college administration. And that is a huge problem.

Your post is the single most important that I've read on this forum in some time. I again thank you.

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #34)

Sun Oct 11, 2020, 06:21 PM

39. Thanks H2O

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Response to ihas2stinkyfeet (Reply #5)

Sun Oct 11, 2020, 05:58 PM

33. Yes.

It is the official definition, I think.

Per the IRA: what you say here is exactly right. That is often the case in groups that engage in violence, no matter how justified they may believe they are. It is a dynamic that has been true in numerous places around the globe in the past 50 years, and no doubt longer.

I'm not confident that racial hatreds can be fully removed from our society. But I am 100% sure that we can incarcerate those who not only hold those toxic beliefs, but who act upon them.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sun Oct 11, 2020, 01:47 PM

6. I don't recognize my country anymore

I'm glad these guys were caught because it sends a message to any others thinking of violence.

It should be obvious to anyone that 45 is seriously mentally ill, and he's attracting more like himself.

He's so toxic that his toxicity is spreading. And it's scary.

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Response to coeur_de_lion (Reply #6)

Sun Oct 11, 2020, 03:43 PM

18. I think the US is largely the same country. The media and the internet have distorted opinions

and most people get their "news" from places like fox and facebuck.

And it's so cheap for external actors to nudge opinions.

Not like back in the good old days when they had to publish real articles on paper and have it distributed the next day to their doorstep.

And not like back then when we had real editors. And rags that weren't all for the eyeball count/advertising revenue.

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Response to erronis (Reply #18)

Sun Oct 11, 2020, 06:12 PM

36. Interesting.

I agree with you. I know when I leave my property, and make one of my ventures in society to do things like shopping, the majority of the people that I encounter seem decent. Those with confederate flags and/or Trump signs on their lawns, automobiles, or person are a minority. Yet they believe Trump has given them license to behave in a more aggressive manner. And I've noticed that even normally decent people have a shorter fuse these days.

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Response to coeur_de_lion (Reply #6)

Sun Oct 11, 2020, 06:08 PM

35. Less than a month

until the elections. After that, the real work begins.

I have some experience, you know, in addressing the damage that toxic industrial waste dumps cause for communities. Even participated in the first federal court case involving the EPA's MSW policy. Getting the industries to stop dumping was hard, no matter if that dumping was legal or illegal. But it is even more difficult to clean up the mess they make.

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #35)

Sun Oct 11, 2020, 06:58 PM

42. I can deal with the toxic waste left behind

much better than dealing with the toxicity and chaos while it's happening.

We just have to win definitively first.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sun Oct 11, 2020, 02:54 PM

11. KnR and thanks

I, too, have thought of The Troubles. And like another poster, I, too, find it hard to recognize my country any more.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sun Oct 11, 2020, 03:12 PM

12. Fantastic description - "gaggle of turds!"

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sun Oct 11, 2020, 03:13 PM

13. Why choose Whtmer? Why not DeSwine?

He was just as strict as Whitmer. Think maybe because shes female?

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Response to blueinredohio (Reply #13)

Sun Oct 11, 2020, 03:28 PM

16. I suspect they may have - but that Jabba-the-Barr warned him

Unlike Whitmer, whom he deliberately chose to keep in the dark (thank goodness the FBI can still act independently of Barr).

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Response to sandensea (Reply #16)

Mon Oct 12, 2020, 07:37 AM

43. The FBI

Thankfully still has leadership with a conscience. Barr has probably stopped many of their investigations but not this one.

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Response to coeur_de_lion (Reply #43)

Mon Oct 12, 2020, 12:53 PM

44. +1

The old "deep state" Orange Amin hates so much - because it won't give him the autocracy he feels he was born to have.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sun Oct 11, 2020, 03:14 PM

14. I hope when Kamala Harris has her run at the presidency

following her VP slot, that she will ask the extraordinarily brave and competent Gov. Whitmire to be her running mate.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sun Oct 11, 2020, 03:26 PM

15. Great post my brother

Be awake, Be alert. Stay safe. And vote

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sun Oct 11, 2020, 03:39 PM

17. Another great OP and one minor grammatical error.


The collective noun for turds is not a "gaggle" but a "steam".

Should read "The steam of turds that were planning . . "

I only mention it because it could be on the midterm and I would hate for any of your students to get an unenforced demerit.

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Response to grantcart (Reply #17)

Sun Oct 11, 2020, 03:43 PM

19. LoL!

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Response to grantcart (Reply #17)

Sun Oct 11, 2020, 04:25 PM

27. ROFL

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sun Oct 11, 2020, 03:45 PM

20. KnR. nt

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sun Oct 11, 2020, 03:53 PM

21. Part of the "pride" of these "boys" is that they are outlaws. Old fashioned western outlaws.

Renegades, rebels, blood brothers, clan members, on-the-run, rough-and-ready patriots.

Of course they are all happy swillers at the spigot of government largess such as Medicaid/Medicare, federal road/communication/air/etc. systems, national security, armed-forces benefits, national parks. I hate to mention things like clean air and water. They don't think they need that.

The first time one of these wimpy boys needs a social service provided by this country, they'll demand it. But they won't admit it.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sun Oct 11, 2020, 03:53 PM

22. K&R Excellent posting.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sun Oct 11, 2020, 04:00 PM

23. Well done, H2O Man, once again

Thank you!

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sun Oct 11, 2020, 04:04 PM

24. Thank you for this.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sun Oct 11, 2020, 04:09 PM

25. ❣️❣️ Already voted

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sun Oct 11, 2020, 04:24 PM

26. There is a disturbing trend in rural red America

Many county sheriffs are self-described "Oath Keepers". They publicly defy laws that they do not agree with, and justify it with flawed Constitutional logic that allows them to claim sovereignty.

In Oregon, county sheriffs openly defy enforcement of gun laws. When the Bundy clowns took over the Malheur Wildlife Reserve, they had the support of the sherrif in a neighboring county.

The bonding of militia groups to sworn law enforcement is a dangerous alliance.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sun Oct 11, 2020, 04:48 PM

28. NRA babies.

Growing up on hate and firepower.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sun Oct 11, 2020, 06:18 PM

37. Superb post, my dear H20 Man!

Your posts are always so on target and they illuminate something troubling for me.

I greatly appreciate what you do.

Thank you!

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sun Oct 11, 2020, 06:35 PM

40. If this follows the pattern of the past

Then we need to remember that in the glory days of the KKK, it wasn't just the yahoos, the good ole boys and/or redneck peckers involved in the savagery and hatred. The professional class participated as well: doctors, lawyers, judges, law enforcement, often holding leadership positions, funding the movement, sometimes participating (as long as they couldn't be identified).

I'd like to think that ridiculous sheriff, betraying his oath, indicating that citizens' arrests are lawful, is a one-off. Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think there's anything in the law that allows kidnapping, kangaroo courts and possible execution of public officials we disagree with. However, I'm guessing there are more sympathizers hiding in the 'bad apple' grove. They need to be rooted out, exposed and charged when crimes are committed.We need to do what President Grant did and bear down hard on anyone and everyone who would take the law into their own hands.

Vigilantes are not heroes. They're criminals.

I'm anticipating a lot of ugliness between the election and inauguration, after which the boom needs to come down hard on these domestic terrorists regardless of who they are or what titles they may or may not hold. And we need a real live Justice Department working the problem along with our other enforcement agencies.

If the Republicans howl, start the whole whataboutism screech? We ignore them and get the job done.

Because enough is enough!

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sun Oct 11, 2020, 06:36 PM

41. ⭐️⭐️⭐️K&R ⭐️⭐️⭐️

👍🏼

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